McCabe

[shorehamview]

On medication?

No. Are you just a little trigger happy, or do you like posting the same bollocks twice?

 

[metalblade]

It's good to see a few unitedites are starting to sit down and really think about the situation at the Lane, as previous posters have said the McCabe myth is being blown apart with every new transfer window. I'm no accountant but i'm not totally thick and to me the figures just don't add up, i would welcome anyone to post on this message board and tell us WHERE McCabe has put substantial with a capital S funds into SUFC. To quote Beighton McCabe is the best weve had but in the past weve had some "reyt shite". Ffs McDonald put more money into the club in a short period of time than McCabe has in 8 years but pressure from the banks and having to build the John st stand was too much for him and we had to sell a very good team. McCabe has stabilised the club finances i'll give him that but he as far as i can see hasn't put a penny into the first team squad, we are where we are today because we got a manager to build a squad on a shoestring any money spent on players was generated from sucess on the field.

The appointment of Robson was a disaster for this club. At a time when we should have been one of the strongest teams in this league with money from the Premiership, parachute payments and the sales of 20,000 season tickets we have actually brought even more money into the club through the transfer market. Has any of this money gone on decent players or has it gone on Robbo's old chums last payday ? I think we all know the answer. Between them McCabe, our Turry and Robson they have taken us back virtually to where we started. Robson and Robinson are the fall guys and good ridance to them McCabe smiles and makes the right noises and brings in Blackwell, a chip off the old Warnock block that's what big Kev is praying for, then we might have a half decent team again without him having to dip into his pockets. At the end of the day the only winner will be McCabe and his property empire. BIG BLADE MY ARSE.

 

[Foxy]

1st Don't trot out a sentance you can't accomplish.

2nd Never repeat it.

You havent give him time to get near accomplishing the goal.

Are you suggesting we should get him out and bring in someone else who'd aim lower? Perhaps someone with aspirations of being a good league 1 club?

I have read the finacial reports and McCabes investment is more than covered by the Freehold of BDTBL alone.

Your point being? How's it "covered"? If you've read the reports then why are you asking?

None, unless he makes rash statements.

What would you class a "rash statement" and why would this oblige him to pump loads of his own money in, in addition to the money he's already spent?

You seem to be critical of him and the way he runs, does this oblige you to pump all your personal assets into the club if you wish to change things?

In football terms SUFC spent nowt.

I suggest you re-read the documents you earlier claimed to have read then.

Yer havin a laugh, Robinson recommended ? by who? his mother ?
Some would say he is either incompetent and or on the take.

And like a said, some fairly high up within the game rate him, its all about opinions. Personally i'm not keen, but he's off in the summer anyway.

The man don't ring true in my opinion, all mouth no action.

What doesn't ring true? him and his family are genuine Blades trying to do their best for the club. How do you define a lack of action? is it just because he hasn't splashed ever last asset to his name signing the worlds top players on huge contracts?

You say in one breath that he doesn't ring true, then the next that you know nothing of the man. Hows that work?

The current state of things at BDTBL, i'll concide he may be the best SUFC have had but that means nowt cause there has been some reight shite.

So all the work and money he's put in mean nowt, because we've had a few months of being shite on the pitch? why do any chairmen bother?

 

[beightonblade]

You havent give him time to get near accomplishing the goal.

How long does he need ? Perhaps until he offloads SUFC ?

Are you suggesting we should get him out and bring in someone else who'd aim lower? Perhaps someone with aspirations of being a good league 1 club?

Don't need to do that, we are just about there now



Your point being? How's it "covered"? If you've read the reports then why are you asking?

McCabe could sell the freehold of BDTBL and on a bad day triple his investment.



What would you class a "rash statement" and why would this oblige him to pump loads of his own money in, in addition to the money he's already spent?

Europe in 5 years, a starter.

You seem to be critical of him and the way he runs, does this oblige you to pump all your personal assets into the club if you wish to change things?

No.



I suggest you re-read the documents you earlier claimed to have read then.

Why?



And like a said, some fairly high up within the game rate him, its all about opinions. Personally i'm not keen, but he's off in the summer anyway.

Who?



What doesn't ring true? him and his family are genuine Blades trying to do their best for the club. How do you define a lack of action? is it just because he hasn't splashed ever last asset to his name signing the worlds top players on huge contracts?

His statements and his investment. Are they ? in % terms i know many true Blades who have spent more on SUFC. Don't be silly.

You say in one breath that he doesn't ring true, then the next that you know nothing of the man. Hows that work?

Easy.


So all the work and money he's put in mean nowt, because we've had a few months of being shite on the pitch? why do any chairmen bother?

All the money........ peanuts, he's well covered........ a few bad months.....have yer been asleep ?

 

[keenzy]

Thats exactly what i'm saying, why are we now seen as struggling? because of the recent success he's built.

Before we went up in the prem we were top half team and lingering round the playoffs. it was Pre warnock when we were fighting relegation, so hardly recent is it?



Probably none what so ever, they are part of the long term plan, not the short term, on the pitch happenings.

Whats point of having long term investments when our our short team future isnt looking good? Remember warnock buying for the future in the jan transfer window instead of going for someone to keep us up? Id like investments when we are stabilised in the prem, not struggling in the championship.


So if the playing staff are the responsibility of the manager, who takes over all responsibility for making the manager do his job correctly? He does.

its easy for McCabe to tap warnock on his back saying hes doing a good job. Warnock scraped a team together out of nothing not McCabe. Who is in charge of McCabe then?



Where could the Ferencvaros money have been otherwise spent? It was spent outside the transfer window and at no time was it stated that we couldn't spend money on players.

Not just Ferencvaros were talking about, it could have been saved for the next window instead of buying pointless assets which in no way are helping the first team. McCabe stated there was no money to spend.



He actually made a very astute decision in bringing in someone who knows the club inside out, many of the players and who he knows he can rely on to do whats required. Would you have prefered to play on without a manager for the rest of the season? or paniced and brought in another "right man" who had to get to know the club, the players etc?

We paniced and brought in someone who will be replaced at the end of the season. why not take a few days/weeks and appoint a man who will have some time to work with the team and build for next season. You mention another right man... Who was the first?

McCabe has done wonders but he also has alot to answer for.

 

[dansufc]

beighton, mccabe never said europe in 5 years, that was the fools at hillsborough

 

[beightonblade]

beighton, mccabe never said europe in 5 years, that was the fools at hillsborough

Aye i know............... but his has spouted some shite..........

 

[Come from away]

Aye i know............... but his has spouted some shite..........

Given that you know your statements are not true, like I said, it's likely your real interest is in looking for fun by winding folks up.

 

[keenzy]

chinese whispers

 

[beightonblade]

Given that you know your statements are not true, like I said, it's likely your real interest is in looking for fun by winding folks up.

Only the Europe one, but as i said McCabe has spouted some reight shite, ambitious club etc.

Its obvious you don't know me the Blades are a big part of my life, my family have been involved with the Blades for generations right from when the club started and i get no fun from what i post. Watching the Blades today was woefull, if one of McCabes property companies was performing as bad heads would roll and fast.

No for me McCabe is not the saviour...............far from it, time will tell.

 

[Foxy]

How long does he need ? Perhaps until he offloads SUFC ?

Substantially longer than you are willing to give him. Very successful clubs are not built over night, they are created from a stable base and successful infrastructure over a long term. He can't "offload", we are a PLC, all he could do is sell his shareholding in the club.

Don't need to do that, we are just about there now

That isn't the point, again you are completely avoiding my question. What aspirations should he have for the long term future of Sheffield United? Because for you, being a top club is apparently incorrect.

McCabe could sell the freehold of BDTBL and on a bad day triple his investment.

Ignoring the fact he couldn't, and that you don't know his investment.... He can't simply sell the freehold and keep all the money. We are a PLC and have to adhere to all the rulings that entails. Mr McCabe selling off the clubs freehold for his own gain isn't included in the permissible options, nor would he be able to extract the money.

Europe in 5 years, a starter.

So again, you are basing your critisism of a man you admittedly know nothing about on a statement that the man himself has never made!

I suggested you re-read the documents as by making a statement that we've spent nothing on the football side of things for a few years is completely incorrect. The documents specify this. Again... if you've read them and you know his level of investment, why did you ask what it was?

You may know many true blades who have spend an absolute fortune on the blades, I can categorically state however, without a doubt, that not one of them has put money anywhere close to the amount as Mr McCabe and his family have invested in the club. You make the statement "true" I assume, in order to suggest that McCabe isn't a true fan, again you couldn't be further from the truth.

Mr McCabe, like anyone else cannot be free of critisism, but the stuff you are throwing in his direction, in my opinion, is completely unwarrented and you keep admitting yourself has very little substance behind it.

 

[Foxy]

Before we went up in the prem we were top half team and lingering round the playoffs. it was Pre warnock when we were fighting relegation, so hardly recent is it?

It is recent in terms of our club and the way in which it's been run. I count ALL Warnocks era as being recent myself. You are completely missing my point. Those successes were built on the infrastructure and stability that McCabe created, they are what we are comparing to. You've just said yourself, before that we were fighting relegation, just as we are now. Completely backing up my whole point!

Whats point of having long term investments when our our short team future isnt looking good? Remember warnock buying for the future in the jan transfer window instead of going for someone to keep us up? Id like investments when we are stabilised in the prem, not struggling in the championship.

Because its the long term investments/plans that secure the future of the club. Yes, the immediate future is determined in some way by the current on the field results. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be also looking beyond the short term in order to help strengthen us for the long term.

its easy for McCabe to tap warnock on his back saying hes doing a good job. Warnock scraped a team together out of nothing not McCabe. Who is in charge of McCabe then?

McCabe is answerable to the shareholders. He's in one of the top positions in the club due to his stature and investment. Thats the sort of power being so successful and putting so much into a club/business gets you.

Not just Ferencvaros were talking about, it could have been saved for the next window instead of buying pointless assets which in no way are helping the first team. McCabe stated there was no money to spend.

On what factors have you come to the conclusion they are a pointless asset?

How much money from Sheffield United FC's coffers has been spent on Ferencvaros?

When did McCabe state there was no money to spend? people keep mentioning he said substantial investment was available!
If the manager chose not to use it or put himself in a position to not be trusted with it, it doesn't mean it wasn't available. Nor does it mean that any of our potential spending money was spent elsewhere.

We paniced and brought in someone who will be replaced at the end of the season. why not take a few days/weeks and appoint a man who will have some time to work with the team and build for next season. You mention another right man... Who was the first?

You are only making exactly the same point as me, but in a different way.

We didn't panic, thats the whole point. We brought in someone who was known, trusted and who knew the club and its players.
How would anyone else have any more time to build or work with the players? if anything they'd have less time, because Blackwell could hit the ground running with his previous!

There wasn't a first recently, thats my whole point, who is this mythical "right man"? to my knowledge only one club in the country have him and thats whoever wins the premier league this year! In appointing someone like Blackwell, McCabe can spend time attempting to find the best person possible to do the job (wether that be Blackwell or a new man in the summer), rather than spending a couple of days or a week to pick someone from the very little available and him becoming another incorrect choice!

 

[beightonblade]

Substantially longer than you are willing to give him. Very successful clubs are not built over night, they are created from a stable base and successful infrastructure over a long term. He can't "offload", we are a PLC, all he could do is sell his shareholding in the club.

Give over, very successful clubs not built overnight, they are created from a stable base.... thats SUFC out the equation then .. McCabe globetrotting, Robinson leaving in the summer, a team full of players who don't deserve to wear a Blade shirt and a manager brought in on the cheap.
Cant offload we are a PLC, wrong McCabe has a contoling interest very easy for him to do owt, aye certain procedures to be followed granted.



That isn't the point, again you are completely avoiding my question. What aspirations should he have for the long term future of Sheffield United? Because for you, being a top club is apparently incorrect.

Stop being silly.



Ignoring the fact he couldn't, and that you don't know his investment.... He can't simply sell the freehold and keep all the money. We are a PLC and have to adhere to all the rulings that entails. Mr McCabe selling off the clubs freehold for his own gain isn't included in the permissible options, nor would he be able to extract the money.

You might not know his investment, i do.
As said previous McCabe and his companies have a controling interest in SUFC, after jumping through a few hoops he can just about do what he wants keeping within the bounds of UK law.



So again, you are basing your critisism of a man you admittedly know nothing about on a statement that the man himself has never made!

Come of it McCabe is always talking the talk.

I suggested you re-read the documents as by making a statement that we've spent nothing on the football side of things for a few years is completely incorrect. The documents specify this. Again... if you've read them and you know his level of investment, why did you ask what it was?

Don't mis quote me i said in footballing terms SUFC spent nowt.

You may know many true blades who have spend an absolute fortune on the blades, I can categorically state however, without a doubt, that not one of them has put money anywhere close to the amount as Mr McCabe and his family have invested in the club. You make the statement "true" I assume, in order to suggest that McCabe isn't a true fan, again you couldn't be further from the truth.

In % terms of wealth i know plenty.
McCabe a true fan...................... mmmmmmmmmmmmmm £££££££'s

Mr McCabe, like anyone else cannot be free of critisism, but the stuff you are throwing in his direction, in my opinion, is completely unwarrented and you keep admitting yourself has very little substance behind it.

Well my opinion differs from yours. AMBITION MY ARSE.

 

[Foxy]

Fairly pointless me carrying on the discussion really, because you already believe whatever you think is completely true, despite admitting massive flaws in what you are saying.

Fair enough, hold a bad opinion towards him, but at least base it upon facts and experience of the man.

 

[jodman]

I was gonna start a new thread for this but i suppose this thread is taylor made really.

I find myself wondering what Mr Mccabe really thinks about the current situation; given his widely known expectations for where this club should be heading. I wonder what his actual thought are on the appointment of Bryan Robson and the players that have been signed in the past 12 months; not to mention the contracts that they are on.

The real question i have is just how the club will spin this situation when it comes to the campaign to sell season tickets for next season; especially current level of supporter apathy.

 

[beightonblade]

Fairly pointless me carrying on the discussion really, because you already believe whatever you think is completely true, despite admitting massive flaws in what you are saying.

Fair enough, hold a bad opinion towards him, but at least base it upon facts and experience of the man.

Aint no flaws in what i'm sayin, it is based on facts, i've seen enough of the man to form MY opinion.

I respect you as a Blade Foxy but yer way off the mark with McCabe.

Anyway time will tell............. and you will remember you heard it here first...

 

[Foxy]

Aint no flaws in what i'm sayin, it is based on facts, i've seen enough of the man to form MY opinion.

Other than...

1) Admitting you were accusing him of saying something he didnt.

2) Completely contridicting the accounts despite having apparently read them.

3) Predicting something that clearly can't happen with the structure of the club.

4) Ignoring questions you don't want to answer or accusing me of being silly, just by quoting you.

5) Admitting to knowing nothing about the man you are leveling your critisism at.

I have absolutely no problems with you laying blame at his door, nor with you not liking him. I just disagree entirely with the critisisms you are aiming at him.

Answer me this one... If he's in it for the money, why didn't he sell up on a high when we looked like staying in the Premier? Why would he stick around and attempt to make money out of a falling share price, then in your opinion run the club even further down. It just doesn't make sense.

I respect you as a Blade Foxy but yer way off the mark with McCabe.

You see the thing is, i've made very little claims on Mr McCabe other than one you agree with. Other than that i've been responding to your points and asking questions of them. So what puts you in a position to suggest i'm way off the mark? when i've not actually given you any proper view on the man

Anyway time will tell............. and you will remember you heard it here first...

From the sounds of it, you'll be delighted to be proven right.

 

[beightonblade]

Foxy

We'll have toagree to disagree on McCabe, i aint playin ping pong wi yer no more on this one................................. time will tell.

 

[keenzy]

I cant be arsed responding to your last points foxy cos only about 2 i could go on at

McCabe cant be faulted when it comes down to the performances and he certain isnt going to run off with the money as quite a few people think.

But he could ease the situation maybe by being at the lane and leave buying clubs around the world and concentrate on getting us in line first.

 

[S64 Blade]

I agree with Keenzy. As much as he has done for the club off the field, at this moment in time he should be monitoring our own situation first, before the overseas business.

Is it a case of us growing too quickly and losing our actual aim??

 

[silverfox]

Most Premiership chairmen are out of the country (loads don't, and have never lived in this country) most of the time with loads more business interests than McCabe has.

So why is this always used against him?

I thought we wanted to be like them??

 

[Foxy]

Thing is though, how much time is he spending monitoring the situation and how much is elsewhere?

I'd suggest given the recent managerial change, he's doing more than monitor the on the field situation.

He also has teams of people working for him, he doesn't do every single thing himself

 

[S64 Blade]

Im not on about him physically been out of the country. Im on about the actual overseas deals.

Have we got more connections/deals etc. with other clubs than we can actually cope with. It is possible for businesses to take on more than they can actually cope with. Maybe this is the case now, that we have all this activity happening away from the club as well that sight has been lost slightly on the original aim to make Sheff United an established Premier League side.

 

[Foxy]

If we have 16 players all with thoughts on the businesses then yes.

We haven't however, we have a squad full of professionals who should be more than capable in this league. It's not the deals that have made them play crap

 

[silverfox]

Im not on about him physically been out of the country. Im on about the actual overseas deals.

Have we got more connections/deals etc. with other clubs than we can actually cope with. It is possible for businesses to take on more than they can actually cope with. Maybe this is the case now, that we have all this activity happening away from the club as well that sight has been lost slightly on the original aim to make Sheff United an established Premier League side.

I can't see why that would have any difference on the playing side of our club.....unless we bring some better players in from one of these clubs.

We have the staff looking after the playing side like any other team.

 

[S64 Blade]

Im not blaming McCabe for the poor performances, neither am i saying what i have said above is true or whatever. Im suggesting why on his part (which doesn't obviously account for it all) that the club is underachieving.

 

[S64 Blade]

I can't see why that would have any difference on the playing side of our club.....unless we bring some better players in from one of these clubs.

We have the staff looking after the playing side like any other team.

It's the overall management from above the players though that could have an affect. If something is happening, or not quite happening in the highest levels, then it can eventually pass down to the players.

Like i said im only speculating here.

 

[silverfox]

Im not blaming McCabe for the poor performances, neither am i saying what i have said above is true or whatever. Im suggesting why on his part (which doesn't obviously account for it all) that the club is underachieving.

I think the players must take most of the blame for the teams position and performances.

We have never had a better chairman in my lifetime. The club have achieved more in the last 10 years than ever before in recent history.

If you lot want to blame him fine.

No way will I agree!

 

[Foxy]

My point is, he's already acted on our underachieving by implementing a new temporary management team. A management team that have been in charge of only 1 league home game.

I'm not all that sure what else he could have done on the football side of things?

 

[beightonblade]

Most Premiership chairmen are out of the country (loads don't, and have never lived in this country) most of the time with loads more business interests than McCabe has.

Agreed but none of them leave an idiot like 'our terry' in charge.