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Is he bolloxs winning any argument,the pair of thick cunts haven't laid a glove on the person who is just simply telling the truth,no surprise such a fucking depressive cunt like yourself siding with the attention seeking wanker that is Barney,your a pair of cunts
 

For me, the most troubling aspect of our chairman's actions off the pitch is that his football investment seemed to go hand in hand with him making a lot of money from property deals.

At one stage, every country we'd invested football money in also magically seemed to have some connection with his business interests. A cynic might say he was using the football club to raise his own personal profile and generating a lot of personal wealth with it.

The cynic would be talking bollocks. He would have little or no understanding of the economics of running a football club.
 
Nothing I've said is untrue.

Well, if we're going to be pedantic...you say here the rents £360k?!?!?



Not really SU Ltd loses money. Same as the hotel company. Debts he took away from the FC.

It's £360k though, why exaggerate?

It's £370 isn't it..'why exaggerate', why lie etc etc lol...

You've also stated it was always £360k from the start of the lease...

It was £360k pa from the start of the lease. I explained that to you the other day. When you quoted the £360k figure but now, for some reason, "thought it was higher".

...but then claim the rent went up from £100k to £370k !?!?!?


Yes. But I think the £100k didn't cover a full year.

Last December there were two rumours on BM, one said McCabe had sold the ground and we were moving to Attercliffe (from a director) and the other said the rent was now over a million and that's how McCabe was getting his money back. ( Again from a director) .

The first one wasn't true and we'll have to wait for SU Ltd 2016 accounts to see if the second one has any validity.

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Is he bolloxs winning any argument,the pair of thick cunts haven't laid a glove on the person who is just simply telling the truth,no surprise such a fucking depressive cunt like yourself siding with the attention seeking wanker that is Barney,your a pair of cunts

Apart from the language I tend to agree. I got an infraction for less!

I can't take anyone seriously who thinks that a company was technically formed. It was formed. It thereafter was a separate legal entity whether it traded or not.
 
Lets just wait for the day when we are in League Two and McCabe tells us we don't need such a big stadium and we need to down size to cut costs which then leaves him with a nice plot of building land close to the city centre and Chinatown ;)

There's a dead alien at Roswell...
 
The cynic would be talking bollocks. He would have little or no understanding of the economics of running a football club.

It costs a lot of money to run a football club, regardless of its size. The point I was making that, whilst he ploughs millions in every year, he's potentially made more from the club with his other businesses. Being a chairman of a football club increases your profile. Being a chairman of a football club with links in countries where he's looking to do property business, will boost his profile a lot.
 
I can't take anyone seriously who thinks that a company was technically formed. It was formed. It thereafter was a separate legal entity whether it traded or not.

Agreed, it just took a few years to get someone to walk into the Trap, and utilise this readily formed Company

Did I say Trap, I meant Partnership ............................. :rolleyes:
 
I've still not quite got over the discussion our good old Sean T was involved in the other day. Straight from the book of Sean Thornton; Apparently who owns the ground has no importance to anything at all.

After all, what does a ground matter to a football club?...:)

It matters a great deal. That's why the McCabe family have placed it beyond any purchase of the football club. Along with other sensible business measures it ensures that any future purchase of the football club is made with its best interests at heart.

I grow a little tired of saying this but one more time:

The chairman has made a lot of significant errors but he has kept this club afloat for many years at vast personal expense.

He has not, will not and can not, make a profit out of Sheffield United. Ever. That ship has sailed.

If he had any intention of tearing down BTDBL for development purposes, he would have done so long ago.

There is a great deal of ignorance, untruth and malice misinforming this topic.
 
Apart from the language I tend to agree. I got an infraction for less!

I can't take anyone seriously who thinks that a company was technically formed. It was formed. It thereafter was a separate legal entity whether it traded or not.

Don't worry about it...people often start getting abusive when they'd like a thread closed...
 
It costs a lot of money to run a football club, regardless of its size. The point I was making that, whilst he ploughs millions in every year, he's potentially made more from the club with his other businesses. Being a chairman of a football club increases your profile. Being a chairman of a football club with links in countries where he's looking to do property business, will boost his profile a lot.

Running United has cost him a fortune. Anyone who doesn't understand that is arguing the matter on an entirely false premise, as those with an agenda always do.

I stress again, KM has made grievous errors and takes a great deal of blame for our current plight. However, without him, there is absolutely no doubt our club would be insolvent. Anyone who thinks season ticket sales, pies, shirts, sponsorship, "Murphy money" and such other silly suggestions comes close to covering our expenditure, really ought to do a bit of factual research rather than reading and believing the snide comments and conspiracy theories currently prevalent.

This might not suit the current perceived 'wisdom' but it happens to be the truth.
 
The more you read, just like that WHF fella, the more you realise that they walk amongst us. Either McCabe's, McCabe plants, or simply friends of friends who are guided by the club. Puppets posting as fans, pure and simple.

From a puppet to a numpty:

Another conspiracy theory, eh?

How about those currently telling malicious lies about KM and SUFC form a consortium and take over the reins? They'd start on Monday morning and the fucking money would be gone by Tuesday afternoon....
 
It doesnt really matter if its 124k 259k or 370k a month.a mccabe owned company is charging another mccabe owned company rent.purely as a ruse.a flim flam. To get back a little bit against running costs.as hundreds of business es do. The rent is set at say the highest quoted 370k a month makes it unviable for mccabe to sell the club and rent out the ground..as itd take 210 years to claw back 70 m
 

It doesnt really matter if its 124k 259k or 370k a month.a mccabe owned company is charging another mccabe owned company rent.purely as a ruse.a flim flam. To get back a little bit against running costs.as hundreds of business es do. The rent is set at say the highest quoted 370k a month makes it unviable for mccabe to sell the club and rent out the ground..as itd take 210 years to claw back 70 m

It does if this drip, drip, drip of clawing monies 'back' affects the loss making company in question's player budget, add's to interest rates payments and increases the overall debts...

You're now saying McCabe wants £70 million 'back'..remarkable stuff...
 
From a puppet to a numpty:

Another conspiracy theory, eh?

How about those currently telling malicious lies about KM and SUFC form a consortium and take over the reins? They'd start on Monday morning and the fucking money would be gone by Tuesday afternoon....

Stop fishing, you're too much of a one trick pony to be good at it. Very transparent, very dull.
 
It does if this drip, drip, drip of clawing monies 'back' affects the loss making company in question's player budget, add's to interest rates payments and increases the overall debts...

You're now saying McCabe wants £70 million 'back'..remarkable stuff...
again your changing perspective.I put itd take 210 years to get back the full 70 surely you can work out itd only take 105 years to get 35mill still not that feasable
 
I don't want to abuse McCabe, but I do genuinely believe he is the ever present during the demise of our team.

I have it on good authority that he is very autocratic in his dealings with people (that is the polite version). This reflects in the constant changes at board level and in the MD position, where we have as high a turnover as in the managerial chair. There can be no long term strategy when we constantly change the people who are trying to run the club.

He is the king of spin and frankly talks bullshit at times. He loves coming onto radio Sheffield or forums and playing the big man, but frankly most blades fans would rather hear the truth. We will live with that. But statements like Game Changing, Roberto di Matteo and Beattie has Flu have dissolved his credibility to zero for me.

Pinchy delights in telling us how much money he has put in. I don't deny this, but accounts have two sides to the sheet and he has for a number of years taken 10% interest on his loans and the conversion to shares has given him a stranglehold on the club. This is without taking into consideration that A hotel was built, on SUFC land and the club no longer owns that hotel, after we were told projects such as this would be used to fund the football club. The pound we received in exchange hasn't gone very far. So again the claim that "If he was going to redevelop the lane he would have done it by now" only partially true. Most fundamentally for me, why do we have to use fancy accounting to separate Sheffield United Football club from the ownership of its ground and training ground? This cannot be a good thing and is a downright dangerous situation in the event the club is ever sold.

We sell our best players every, without fail. so the claim that we will develop a team based on youth is an absolute myth. The timing of those sales further exacerbates the sale in itself as they normally come at a late stage in the window when it is too late to recover. The Blackman sale in January when we were in touch with the top spot was frankly staggering. After each sale the promise of reinvestment inevitably fails to materialise. Let us not forget that McCabe was part of MacDonalds board when we sold Deane and Fjortoft, nothing has changed since.

Finally his decision making! One word "Disastrous" he makes knee jerk decisions and has no plan B. from the sacking of Warnock onward, he has made or been party to disastrous decision after disastrous decision in terms of both appointments and sackings.It is staggering that this man managed to develop a successful business empire.

I want to weep when I look at the state of my football club. We are a laughing stock on a par with Leeds United in the way that we are run and people still defend Kevin McCabe. It is laughable. His heart may be in the right place, but I cannot wait for the day when he is gone.
 
No one knows for sure that we would be "insolvent" without McCabe. How many well established clubs have gone to the wall, even when they've been "hours" away from folding ????
 
I don't want to abuse McCabe, but I do genuinely believe he is the ever present during the demise of our team.

I have it on good authority that he is very autocratic in his dealings with people (that is the polite version). This reflects in the constant changes at board level and in the MD position, where we have as high a turnover as in the managerial chair. There can be no long term strategy when we constantly change the people who are trying to run the club.

He is the king of spin and frankly talks bullshit at times. He loves coming onto radio Sheffield or forums and playing the big man, but frankly most blades fans would rather hear the truth. We will live with that. But statements like Game Changing, Roberto di Matteo and Beattie has Flu have dissolved his credibility to zero for me.

Pinchy delights in telling us how much money he has put in. I don't deny this, but accounts have two sides to the sheet and he has for a number of years taken 10% interest on his loans and the conversion to shares has given him a stranglehold on the club. This is without taking into consideration that A hotel was built, on SUFC land and the club no longer owns that hotel, after we were told projects such as this would be used to fund the football club. The pound we received in exchange hasn't gone very far. So again the claim that "If he was going to redevelop the lane he would have done it by now" only partially true. Most fundamentally for me, why do we have to use fancy accounting to separate Sheffield United Football club from the ownership of its ground and training ground? This cannot be a good thing and is a downright dangerous situation in the event the club is ever sold.

We sell our best players every, without fail. so the claim that we will develop a team based on youth is an absolute myth. The timing of those sales further exacerbates the sale in itself as they normally come at a late stage in the window when it is too late to recover. The Blackman sale in January when we were in touch with the top spot was frankly staggering. After each sale the promise of reinvestment inevitably fails to materialise. Let us not forget that McCabe was part of MacDonalds board when we sold Deane and Fjortoft, nothing has changed since.

Finally his decision making! One word "Disastrous" he makes knee jerk decisions and has no plan B. from the sacking of Warnock onward, he has made or been party to disastrous decision after disastrous decision in terms of both appointments and sackings.It is staggering that this man managed to develop a successful business empire.

I want to weep when I look at the state of my football club. We are a laughing stock on a par with Leeds United in the way that we are run and people still defend Kevin McCabe. It is laughable. His heart may be in the right place, but I cannot wait for the day when he is gone.


Nice to read criticism of McCabe without bile and malice. Lots of truth, fair comment and opinion in there but some misinformation as well.



He did take 10% interest, doesn't anymore, but only on a proportion of the loans.

The hotel has operating losses of over three million which would have been in the FC accounts if the hotel had remained an asset or Plc whichever it was in, I forget now. The value has also been downgraded in the accounts to reflect a fairer valuation and is valued at £6.5m less than it cost. A hit which SUFC would have had to take. In short it's been another poor decision but KM Hasnt lumbered the FC with it, let alone deprived it of income.

If certain people on here are to be believed and HRH has no more money to invest, taking the ground out of the bit he owns is actually a sound move. For McCabe as well obviously but it offers some protection as well. That's been explained at length on here.

McDonald called all the shots at that time just as McCabe does now. It's McCabes fault now MM's then.

He's always had a stranglehold on the club as he controls 85% of the shares in SU Ltd, formerly the Plc. The ground situation hasn't altered at all in reality. He owned it then just as he does now.

Warnock wasn't sacked.

I fully agree his decision making has been disastrous, no one can, or should, say otherwise, it's a fact. Yes people have let him down badly but the buck has to stop with him at the end of the day and the losses incurred aren't due to bad luck but bad management. He has to take that on the chin. I doubt he has any other choice.

As I said, makes a change to read a reasonable critique of the man that doesn't accuse him of being a thief or bleeding the club dry by taking millions out.
 

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