silverfox
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Looks like we all wasting our time!
Questioning the independence of this site is beyond belief.
McCabe Interview
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Looks like we all wasting our time!
Questioning the independence of this site is beyond belief.
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You've just proved my point.
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silverfox
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Was up last night watching the NFL till the early hours, and after a night on the Ravens Board the lingo spilled over into here - later
SoccerCynic
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Here it is mate....for what its worth
http://www.thestar.co.uk/blades/No-rush--but-a.6623086.jp
Are you sure this thread is about the interview?
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Well done!
I hope you found joy in such things!
No joy to be found in the running of football these days, hence my extreme scepticism towards anything that involves alliances with the management of our club or any other at the moment.
Our game is in a complete mess, riddled with greed, dodgy geezers and governing bodies that don't give a toss.
McCabe has let us all down in terms of poor commercial, marketing and football decisions but thankfully, bad as it's been, it's not been as bad as it might have been.
You only have to look across the city to see what a state the game's in.
Dodgy geezers come and go on a takeover merry-go-round, the club more or less jokes about not paying tax and now has a bloke who's facing a charge for tax evasion interested in taking over. And the fans barely blink, just see a well-known name and as long as they don't go into administration nothing else matters.
That's why independence is important. Otherwise the people who run clubs are likely to eat you up and smile while they do it.
silverfox
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I agree with most if not all of that.
But Foxy and Linz ARE independent.
If they were not I would not be here.
And I do know them pretty well.
SoccerCynic
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You have a point!
JohnDenver
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McCabe's article (interview it ain't), only has one major flaw... He doesn't show much regret for the poor decisions the club has made. I don't doubt we've spent more than most recently, but the fact is we've wasted most of it on loans and not thought beyond the short term enough. Where we have done that, in buying our Ched, that's gone wrong too.
I can understand McCabe's defensiveness, but a little mea culpa would have gone a long way.
I can understand McCabe's defensiveness, but a little mea culpa would have gone a long way.
Jostein Flo
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I've not posted so far as it all seemed a bit personal and off topic but I'm confused by the sentiments expressed above. It's not McCabe specifically that you have an issue with but just about anyone who runs or may someday run a football club? Unless the club becomes some sort of 'fans collective' you will continue to distrust and generally oppose any decision or announcement made by this or any other Blades board of directors?
Maybe it's just me but it seems a fairly joyless way to follow football...
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Which is directly questioning my integrity, as I've always maintained we are independent and have remained so.
I asked you to qualify my claims and offered you a pint to discuss it over should you not believe the written word and prefer to actually get to know me as a person.
lenners said:
My view of the forums were that they were positive steps towards further dialogue between the fans and the men that run the club. My view on that doesn't change.
That doesn't mean I "toe the line" or vigarously defend the club. It means I personally feel there is value in the men at the top of the club meeting and chatting to fans face to face on dedicated evenings for such dialogue.
You don't. That's fair enough and I respect your opinion and agree with some of the points you made at the time.
That is the correct recollection.
lenners said:
I don't have a "stance" to change, as I don't buy into the fictional groups to fall under. It's not black and white.
lenners said:
I appreciate the comments and am glad you feel that way... It's just doesn't particularly match up with your opinion that we are here to be the clubs mouthpiece.
As for the actual topic at hand, I think this was always going to be the case, until there is any big news to give Kevin McCabe was always going to be re-iterating points he's already made.
Perhaps the whole reason he's not been constantly in the press is that he feels he has nothing to currently add that could help the situation?
One question I would ask him however, is did he expect Mr Birch to be more vocal, given that some time ago he passed the baton of day-to-day matter to him?
yorkshirecoast
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I doubt our net spend is more than most. It certainly feels like we have received far more in sales than we've spent - & if you add the Tevez millions our net spend looks even worse. McCabe talks crap. He's sold our best players for several years in succesion and that is the main reason we are in the mess we are now.
JohnDenver
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We spent a scary amount on loans and the strategy was flawed. I can accept player sales and I can accept directors' loans being repaid. But where we've made a mess of things, let's fess up properly and explain where we go from here.
If we still need to raise cash say so. Don't falsely raise expectations of how we proceed. If we need to wait for academy players to improve us, be honest. That's my between the lines reading of his article anyway, but I like my bad news straight.
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Ok I've read this thread and can honestly say that there's a strange perceptive as to what BIFF are and what we do.
We are a fans forum, voluntary run by fans for the fans. What do we do? We address fans issues and listen out for what fans want. What we don't do is listen to fans about the team, the manager the Board room or finances. Our sole aim is to address the issues of the fan on a match day and club basis. We will help in anyway we can, whether it's the queues in a stadium or toilets with no paper towels. But the first team.... Forget it! That isn't what we do!
Lenners want's to hear of other issues that we have addressed. Think Peterborough away last season, what time WAS kick off, what time was the last train home for most? It was moved to accommodate those fans, by OUR request to the club. We are also responsible for the Kiddies shops springing up around BDTBL. Recognising the fact 5 -10 yuear old just won't eat a foot long hotdog, or solid bread or a full bottle of open Coke.
The problem some have, I think is: We are an organisation for the fans, some fans can't separate themselves from the Football thinking the fans should know what happens behind the scenes, or at least leak something. There's a distinct lack of self confidence throughout BDTBL at the mo, everyone feels it but everyone acts in different ways. From a first team and the pitch point of view we have 1 input and 1 only. We are their to roar on the team, that's our strength as fans. However, despite the fact that BDTBL is a library at the moment. Minds wander and that's where we as BIFF come in. Every negative stands out, we quickly forget the positives around us.
Hope this helps sort 1 or 2 things out
We are a fans forum, voluntary run by fans for the fans. What do we do? We address fans issues and listen out for what fans want. What we don't do is listen to fans about the team, the manager the Board room or finances. Our sole aim is to address the issues of the fan on a match day and club basis. We will help in anyway we can, whether it's the queues in a stadium or toilets with no paper towels. But the first team.... Forget it! That isn't what we do!
Lenners want's to hear of other issues that we have addressed. Think Peterborough away last season, what time WAS kick off, what time was the last train home for most? It was moved to accommodate those fans, by OUR request to the club. We are also responsible for the Kiddies shops springing up around BDTBL. Recognising the fact 5 -10 yuear old just won't eat a foot long hotdog, or solid bread or a full bottle of open Coke.
The problem some have, I think is: We are an organisation for the fans, some fans can't separate themselves from the Football thinking the fans should know what happens behind the scenes, or at least leak something. There's a distinct lack of self confidence throughout BDTBL at the mo, everyone feels it but everyone acts in different ways. From a first team and the pitch point of view we have 1 input and 1 only. We are their to roar on the team, that's our strength as fans. However, despite the fact that BDTBL is a library at the moment. Minds wander and that's where we as BIFF come in. Every negative stands out, we quickly forget the positives around us.
Hope this helps sort 1 or 2 things out
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Trigger Blade
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Well, that's the last we'll see of len on this thread, you've bowled in with some facts and to him, they're like garlic to a vampire, so I can't see him being involved.
len's idea of a fact was demonstrated earlier this week when he stated categorically that we were "bottom of the Championship", which nearly led to me jumping off the top of the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, which is a fair drop and would certainly have meant at least superficial injuries. I subsequently found out we weren't actually in the bottom three.
I don't recall him boasting that we were top when we were fourth, which would be factually just as accurate.
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The way I feel is completely in tune with many, many fans who've walked away from football recently.
I still enjoy the social side of going to games but have no illusions about how the game is run, who runs it, how wrong it is that players like Evans are made for life for doing nothing (costing more than an entire year's season ticket proceeds in the process), how fans are duped and how even fans now often see the success of clubs in terms of £ signs and that is all that counts.
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I don't think any fans view success in terms of £. I think some recognise that you need £ to pay for things.
UTB
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Maybe success is the wrong word but it's something like fixation.
When we sold the two Kyles, for example, so many fans couldn't see what that would do to the soul of our club and could only see the £ signs.
Even if you accepted the argument of those who claimed there was somehow nothing that could be done, you'd be accepting something else about agents, money and so on.
Either way, very little of that debate would have revolved around SUFC being based in Sheffield, its identity, having players from Sheffield playing for the club and that being something that should be at the heart of United.
Instead, it was just £ signs.
When the two Kyles were sold, I don't recall ANYBODY saying "excellent, we've just made a lot of money!"
Every single post I've ever read was disappointment that two of our brightest young talents were gone before we ever had a chance to see them mature (that sounds like they've died).
Sounds to me like you've thought up an argument, got it arse-about-face, but refuse to change your stance because that would make you look silly. Well trust me, you're doing a fine job of that anyway. I suggest you let it drop.
Every single post I've ever read was disappointment that two of our brightest young talents were gone before we ever had a chance to see them mature (that sounds like they've died).
Sounds to me like you've thought up an argument, got it arse-about-face, but refuse to change your stance because that would make you look silly. Well trust me, you're doing a fine job of that anyway. I suggest you let it drop.
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Er, no. The argument raged for quite some time and still does about the sale of Walker in particular.
Do you read this forum regularly?
The bottomline is that a voice of experience nailed what the outcome of Walker's sale in particular would be.
It was nailed at the time. Even Radio Sheffield managed to catch up with the fact that we're now a team with no identity this week.
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Len, I'd agree that 75% of your predictions come true. But in football, if you predict that everything will turn to shit you will eventually be proved right 75% of the time. It's not some sort of Nostradamus thing, it's just a reality that few players will prove their worth, every manager will get sacked, players will be sold for money, Chairmen will eventually disappoint the fan base.
You have never had anything good to say about United, even when things were going reasonably well. Were you wrong then? No, you just trotted the same lines until you were proved right.
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There's a difference between predicting we'd lose, as I usually think we will, and pinpointing mistakes that are being made in the management of the club.
DuncDisorderly
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No doubt if you manage to get out of this particular hole in time for the AGM, you will have a list of questions about the mistakes that you have identified and will have prepared your well considered solutions for the boards consideration Len.
sheffielder
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Len, I can't stand 99% of your posts and your other alias, however I am with you on this one.
I have no idea about this BIFF thing and how much good it will do. What we need to know is how they think they can improve things here. I don't know either lady very well but I have to admit I don't see many posts pulling the club down for anything from them. To be impartial I would like to know what BIFF and the ladies think need to change at the club to take us forward and unfortunately we are at the point where we need to know answers. I like McCabe but his interview was pointless. It answers nothing so tell me what
BIFF are going to do to change what we get back from the club.
If we haven't got any money in January to improve this team just tell me, don't bullshit me.
Please tell me the flag waving has nothing to do with BIFF?
I have no idea about this BIFF thing and how much good it will do. What we need to know is how they think they can improve things here. I don't know either lady very well but I have to admit I don't see many posts pulling the club down for anything from them. To be impartial I would like to know what BIFF and the ladies think need to change at the club to take us forward and unfortunately we are at the point where we need to know answers. I like McCabe but his interview was pointless. It answers nothing so tell me what
BIFF are going to do to change what we get back from the club.
If we haven't got any money in January to improve this team just tell me, don't bullshit me.
Please tell me the flag waving has nothing to do with BIFF?
No, I do not read THIS forum regularly. I've been a member for only a few days. But amongst friends, on other forums, I've never EVER seen anybody post anything positive about that double sale. If anything, it was a reprise of a "We're always selling our best players... why can we not just say NO!?". Perhaps you need to get out a little more to see other people's points of view instead of looking for opinions that match your own and using them to win an argument.
I also feel that maybe you yourself were unable at the time to see that selling two young Blades would have a negative impact. That could explain how you're so annoyed about it now, while everybody else have moved on from the vitriol that surrounded the deal.
Kopped
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The flag waving thing when the teams come with the kids next to the dug out has nothing to do with us. It wasn't our idea and we are not involved.
The Flag Day, however, was an idea from 1 of our members to make the atmosphere better and more colourful. There is a lot of stick throwing about this Flag day also which is big part of how it was communicated across, which in all fairness was pretty damn poor.
How it works is: You take your flag to BDTBL, they cut a tiny corner piece of and burn it. If it burns, it fails, you don't get a cert. If it doesn't, it gets signed in the same corner and you are given a cert. The cert. is then valid for all home game, take your cert. to away grounds to get it to pass their fire safety standards. 1 little test that is free and your flag is fine for ALL matches. The cost is a small part of your time, I think that's reasonable and shows the club is being pro-active about this problem that's been marring home matches with fans and stewards fighting game in-game out.
The member who's brought this forward has been looking into this for a long time and has been pursuing this issue with a lot of effort in finding a solution to it. I think that seeing as he's a volunteer who just wants some atmosphere at BDTBL he should be commended for his efforts.
We are responsible for a lot of things over the last year, I've just named a few.
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Sorry lad, but you shouldn't post on something when you've no idea what's been said by me or others on here about that particular issue.
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And Dunc, sorry lad but being right, again, doesnae constitute a hole.
To think how gentle I've been on you and your muckers over recent months and this is how you repay me.
I'm hurt.
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I've never seen anyone say that they were glad that walker and naughton were sold. The only positive comments regarding that sale were that 10 million was a good price. Neither of them are pulling up any trees at the moment, so those particular comments were and remain perfectly valid.
I'd still rather have them one of them in the team though. I doubt whether we'd have been able to keep them both happy.
I'd still rather have them one of them in the team though. I doubt whether we'd have been able to keep them both happy.
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