McCabe Interview

[Pinchy]

I have very different views to Foxy. I will continue to express those views, sometimes abrasively. I shall never forget, however, that my opportunity to express my opinions is provided by Foxy and Linz. They both have my gratitude. Indeed, I intend to express that gratitude from my bank account when I can work out how to do it. When one thinks of the alternative - the Teenage Illiterate Lager-Drinkers forum, then thank The Lord for this place.

I'm all for being outspoken Len; It can change the world. I've been known to speak freely myself. On this occasion, however, swallow your pride and apologise, please. It's the right thing to do.

 

[JohnDenver]

I have very different views to Foxy. I will continue to express those views, sometimes abrasively.

Just out of interest, why abrasively?

If your aim to persuade...

 

[raul]

I'm struggling to even think of any views Pinchy has expressed, abreasively or otherwise, about anything or anyone at all..

 

[Trigger Blade]

Lots of people beating on Lenny, I am sure Foxy and Linz can stand up for themselves on here, no need for you lot to go overboard.

It takes all flavours guys, chill out, I am sure Len will continue to give his full support for his team.

The better the mix on a Forum the better the experience - i fink

Personally, I don't feel that being critical of len's view amounts to beating on him (are you American by the way?)

I don't doubt Foxy and Linz can stick up for themsleves, that isn't the point, it's a show of support for them as well as a criticism of his outrageous view.

I haven't seen anyone so far support len's stance, including you.

 

[SoccerCynic]

On the subject......not much to learn from this supposed interview. Typical media hype if you ask me. I am definitely not a KMc basher and not sure we would be better off without him but this latest stuff does not add up. Mentioning the spends without the sales is disingenuous (bloody hell what does that mean). These latest offerings do not explain the sale of our young assets or the disastrous decision making that allowed an outgoing manager to assemble a group of players which has hamstrung any promise from Speed. KMC does not say anything that will give many of us cause for optimism and I think it would have been better to have kept quiet.....or was it just a bland response to recent criticism that he had gone awol. School report..2 out of 10...needs to try harder.

 

[Wards]

Would have been interesting to see what questions were actually put forward to him.

As it stands it's a poor article that poses more questions than it answers

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Completely disingenuous of McCabe to say the spending money hasn't resulted in promotion, without recognising who he gave that money to

Unless of course McCabe still thinks Robbo was the correct appointment, and blames the fans for his departure.

 

[Micalijo]

Good stuff cynic that, like it alot.

On the subject of Len I'll chip in if I may, he makes some great points about no point in BIFF getting too close to the club. You'll end up with club saying something like 'look, we are open with the fans, give them chances to question us via BIFF and we find the questions relay a positive feel about the club from you the fans - what more can we do etc etc'.

Linz is obviously entitled to say it but her comment a while ago about us comparing well with watford and charlton sums up perfectly for me why BIFF is going to do nowt other than sort flags out and more ticket offers for Raul etc. I don't mean to criticise their efforts at all in terms of communications but unless BIFF have a debt expert and a property expert asking regular and searching questions it is pointless to me. That doesn't make it pointless to others though. Depends what we see a BIFF type organsiation existing for doesn't it? Surely there is an argument that if you give BIFF a taste of the big time and a bit of access they get used to it and enjoy it and want it to continue? That doesn't mean a lack of integrity in my book - just a natural thing.

I hope Lenners privately gets in touch with Foxy and hope he continues on here as a top poster.

 

[Jon Bon]

Hey Lenners do you know about the New World Order and the lizards who are running the planet?

Fuck off, I'm not having him in my gang. Len's far too controversial.

I bet you think the government are hiding the truth about life on other planets too along with other conspiracies! T

Oi, stop trying to palm him off on to me. We do have standards you know...

 

[lenners]

I'm perfectly content with my view that Foxy and Linz have toed the party line and that it is a perfectly valid opinion to therefore question how independent they are likely to be.
I remember very clearly when the value of the fans forums was questioned, what the response was.
And I know who was right.
Football clubs rarely treat their fans with little more than contempt, it's a sad fact of life.
I hope they're both prepared to reject the bobbins that's been swallowed by quite a few on here - though noticeably less so recently - because that's what's needed from an independent fans' group.
My opinion from what I've read of their comments on here is that they've previously toed the party line.
Maybe they'll be more questioning now but my opinion is an entirely fair one and is based on what's gone before.

 

[AlienWoodward]

I have very different views to Foxy. I will continue to express those views, sometimes abrasively. I shall never forget, however, that my opportunity to express my opinions is provided by Foxy and Linz. They both have my gratitude. Indeed, I intend to express that gratitude from my bank account when I can work out how to do it. When one thinks of the alternative - the Teenage Illiterate Lager-Drinkers forum, then thank The Lord for this place.

I'm all for being outspoken Len; It can change the world. I've been known to speak freely myself. On this occasion, however, swallow your pride and apologise, please. It's the right thing to do.

If anyone one on here should be apologising it's you,to Sir Monty of Nickeldom !!
You slate him left right and centre,then what do you do ?
"Nick,Nick, throw your shirt to me" !!
Have you washed it yet ? ;-)

 

[SotonBlade]

my opinion is an entirely fair one and is based on what's gone before.

Once again len only in your opinion. It just goes to prove the fact your in you own little world.

You're going lose the little supporters you have on here len, which is a real shame, because you can provoke some interesting debate at times.

 

[beightonblade]

well one thing is for sure ....................... LOTS of Blades are fed up with the spin and shite thats at BDTBL reight now and McWobblegob in his latest propaganda report has done fook all to quell it.
He doesn't give a fook !

You know the question i wud ask him !

 

[lenners]

Once again len only in your opinion. It just goes to prove the fact your in you own little world.

You're going lose the little supporters you have on here len, which is a real shame, because you can provoke some interesting debate at times.

My opinion has usually proved to be spot on Soton. The little worlds have usually belonged to those who were dumbfounded by the notion that McCabe might not be all he's been cracked up to be or that everything put out by the club belongs in the real world.

 

[Foxy]

I'm perfectly content with my view that Foxy and Linz have toed the party line and that it is a perfectly valid opinion to therefore question how independent they are likely to be.
I remember very clearly when the value of the fans forums was questioned, what the response was.
And I know who was right.
Football clubs rarely treat their fans with little more than contempt, it's a sad fact of life.
I hope they're both prepared to reject the bobbins that's been swallowed by quite a few on here - though noticeably less so recently - because that's what's needed from an independent fans' group.
My opinion from what I've read of their comments on here is that they've previously toed the party line.
Maybe they'll be more questioning now but my opinion is an entirely fair one and is based on what's gone before.

I take it I'll be drinking your pint for you at Millwall and still get nothing other than the words "they've previously toed the party line" as to quantify your opinions of me?

I am surprised

 

[Trigger Blade]

I'm perfectly content with my view that Foxy and Linz have toed the party line and that it is a perfectly valid opinion to therefore question how independent they are likely to be.
I remember very clearly when the value of the fans forums was questioned, what the response was.
And I know who was right.
Football clubs rarely treat their fans with little more than contempt, it's a sad fact of life.
I hope they're both prepared to reject the bobbins that's been swallowed by quite a few on here - though noticeably less so recently - because that's what's needed from an independent fans' group.
My opinion from what I've read of their comments on here is that they've previously toed the party line.
Maybe they'll be more questioning now but my opinion is an entirely fair one and is based on what's gone before.

All opinions are fair len, that's a trite truism.

What's unfair is the use of emotive terminology, in this case toeing the party line, which implies that BIFF or whichever fans' organisation aren't properly independent, either out of blind loyalty or because the club has some kind of hold over them, which the club does not.

I ask again, why not get involved insread of taking cheap shots, the AGM would be a great place to start.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Time to stick len back on the ignore list methinks.

 

[lenners]

All opinions are fair len, that's a trite truism.

What's unfair is the use of emotive terminology, in this case toeing the party line, which implies that BIFF or whichever fans' organisation aren't properly independent, either out of blind loyalty or because the club has some kind of hold over them, which the club does not.

I ask again, why not get involved insread of taking cheap shots, the AGM would be a great place to start.

My honest opinion of independent fans groups is that they're a brilliant idea, particularly if they're aimed at share ownership, but in reality they're only likely to wield power at smaller clubs.
I wish BIFF all the best but the world has changed since BIFA which really was a powerful group and was pretty much a trailblazer for what followed all over the country.
Football now is such big business that fans are very much a secondary concern and only have power around the margins, like discussing flags or ticketing arrangements.
And no Trig, not all opinions are fair. Some are based on nothing at all and are demonstrably unfair. Which is why I always avoid them.

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I take it I'll be drinking your pint for you at Millwall and still get nothing other than the words "they've previously toed the party line" as to quantify your opinions of me?

I am surprised

Not been to Millwall since Geary scored from about 30 yards in the last minute if I recall correctly and won't be this weekend.
I think you know that my opinion is a fair one but I also think you have possibly begun to realise that the club/McCabe have bulled the fans much more than you previously realised.
More power to you for that and I do think that being prepared to get involved with BIFF is an entirely honorable thing to do.

 

[Foxy]

I think you know that my opinion is a fair one but I also think you have possibly begun to realise that the club/McCabe have bulled the fans much more than you previously realised.
More power to you for that and I do think that being prepared to get involved with BIFF is an entirely honorable thing to do.

I think that I know I'm incredibly insulted by your opinion of me and think it is completely unfounded.

Then again, I apparently can't think for myself... who should I ask to confirm what I know? you or Mr McCabe?

It looks like as usual I'm pissing in the wind in asking you to back up your claims with some substance and as usual, you'll selectively ignore half of my points.

Still, the offer is on the table as it is to anyone, I'm up for it any time you wish to have a drink and a chat about the Blades and actually form a proper view based on a person rather than your apparent baseless opinions.

 

[Wards]

Would have been interesting to see what questions were actually put forward to him.

As it stands it's a poor article that poses more questions than it answers

 

[lenners]

Foxy, I'm at a loss as to why you're so insulted.
The response to the questioning of the fans forums is one that immediately comes to mind but there have been other occasions when the actions of McCabe and the club have been questioned and you've backed the club line.
You thought the fans forums were the club doing the fans a great service. I said they weren't and fans would be hoodwinked. Which they were.
In my opinion, anyone who was thinking with an independent mind about SUFC - and most other clubs for that matter - would come to the conclusion they were not to be trusted.
In my opinion, what has happened at SUFC from loss of season ticket holders to the accounts to selling young players to many other things was writ large and was pointed out.
I don't think you can say you've had the same independent approach over that time.
That doesn't mean your opinion is any more or less valid than mine. I could well be wrong though I think history bears out I've been largely right.

 

[Linz]

Eh?

What?

Someone mention me?

Thought my ears were burning.

Frankly, regardless of what I say, it appears that people have made their minds up about me without even knowing me. And when their assumptions are so inaccurate about me, it does rather cast aspersions on the rest of their claims too.

Just because I don't sit here and call McCabe every name under the sun, or try and describe things more eloquently than resorting to cheap hyperbole doesn't mean I'm "toeing a party line". Just because I happen to think I should rather try and enjoy the experience of spending hundreds of pounds a year on a club that probably doesn't deserve it doesn't mean I am blind to its failings.

Any criticism I can take personally. I have opinions the same as everyone else. Obviously I believe I'm right but others may disagree. I'm human, I can deal with that.

However, the site can't really stand up for itself and the accusation that "it" toes the party line is absolutely absurd. I'd like to know exactly how the site "toes the party line" when frankly, anything goes. As others have suggested, we can very easily delete both posts and people yet we try very hard not to do so. The reason we set this site up was because we wanted a forum that we could enjoy posting on and thus, attract people who enjoyed discussing the Blades in the same fashion. Not necessarily agreeing, but choosing to disagree in a grown-up fashion. And because we've tried to cultivate this, Foxy and I, for the most part can just get on with posting as "normal" members of the site. In that respect, the site has become its own being.

As for BIFF, we are but two members of a large group of people, chosen to get involved because we were the easiest way to get even more people involved. The site (not Foxy and I) was chosen because it is considered a "reasonable" and fairly sensible place to get news out. The site was put to the club and they also considered the site reasonable enough to work with.

And as you all contribute to the site and make it what it is, that means you lot too.

As for why we've not been around as much... new jobs where internet is monitored more closely. Nothing more sinister than that.

Anyway chaps, as you were. Slag me off all you want. I don't give a shit... I'm off for a curry and after five years of telling naughty boys off, I have a thick internet skin.

But pick on the site, and you insult every one of our members and that pisses me off.

 

[AlienWoodward]

Foxy, I'm at a loss as to why you're so insulted.
The response to the questioning of the fans forums is one that immediately comes to mind but there have been other occasions when the actions of McCabe and the club have been questioned and you've backed the club line.
You thought the fans forums were the club doing the fans a great service. I said they weren't and fans would be hoodwinked. Which they were.
In my opinion, anyone who was thinking with an independent mind about SUFC - and most other clubs for that matter - would come to the conclusion they were not to be trusted.
In my opinion, what has happened at SUFC from loss of season ticket holders to the accounts to selling young players to many other things was writ large and was pointed out.
I don't think you can say you've had the same independent approach over that time.
That doesn't mean your opinion is any more or less valid than mine. I could well be wrong though I think history bears out I've been largely right.

No doubt Len you can remember the times you have been right because they are so few and far between. When anyone asks you for a fact to be proven,you go off track and try to wriggle out of giving the proof,presumably because it doesn't exist,does this mean on these occasions you were wrong or just talking bollocks ?
And how do you get your head up there to talk out of it,I can't even bite my own toe nails these days.

 

[Foxy]

That doesn't mean your opinion is any more or less valid than mine. I could well be wrong though I think history bears out I've been largely right.

I'm not insulted that you are questioning my opinion, if I was firmly against that, I wouldn't spend time and money providing you the opportunity to.

I'm insulted in that you are questioning my integrity and my word without, in my opinion, any reason to do so.

 

[shorehamview]

Lenners accuses Linz and Foxy of "toeing the party line."

Posters point out that they don't, and ask for an apology.

Lenners insists that Linz and Foxy "toe the party line."

Linz and Foxy say they don't "toe the party line."

Lenners is man enough to not bother with an apology, as to apologise would indicate some degree of humility.

I know Linz and Foxy and can state that they do not "toe the party line" and can indeed moan like buggery about the club with the best of us but just because we choose not to ram our views down everyone's throats as being The Gospel Truth then we too are "toeing the party line."

I've never even seen the party line and have never waggled any toes near it, which I haven't, because I've never seen it.

Although of course because I've never seen it I might have toed it inadvertantly.

I just don't know, whither the toe?

 

[lenners]

I'm not insulted that you are questioning my opinion, if I was firmly against that, I wouldn't spend time and money providing you the opportunity to.

I'm insulted in that you are questioning my integrity and my word without, in my opinion, any reason to do so.

I'm not questioning your integrity, I questioned how independent you were.
I very well remember how much the fans forums were bulled up on here and the response to the questioning of their value.
You and I both know that is a correct recollection.
As I've also said, I do also believe that the stance has changed and that you are more questioning now - possibly as a result of that fans forum experience.
And for the record, I have not and would not attack this site. It is the best-run United forum by a country mile.

 

[DP8789]

now, whilst im sure your all having fun having an arguement about party line and what not,

wheres this chuffin interview with mccabe?

 

[Sensiblade]

I'm not questioning your integrity, I questioned how independent you were.
I very well remember how much the fans forums were bulled up on here and the response to the questioning of their value.
You and I both know that is a correct recollection.
As I've also said, I do also believe that the stance has changed and that you are more questioning now - possibly as a result of that fans forum experience.
And for the record, I have not and would not attack this site. It is the best-run United forum by a country mile.

Would you rather them not mention any fan interactions with or football club?
and not pass on word for word transcripts of any such interactions?

 

[silverfox]

I'm not questioning your integrity, I questioned how independent you were.

Can't you see it?

To say they are not independent IS QUESTIONING THEIR INTEGRITY!

It's not rocket science.

I know i'm wasting my time!

 

[lenners]

Can't you see it?

To say they are not independent IS QUESTIONING THEIR INTEGRITY!

It's not rocket science.

I know i'm wasting my time!

You surely are. Read what I've written, not what you imagine I've written.