McCabe has to go

[Hamburg Blade]

Well I assume you are not a cute black dog buried in sand, are you?

Yes, he is. Very cute. But he does tend to shit all over the place.

 

[Harrisblade]

Yes but a budget 10 times higher would have meant setting sights higher i.e. a different 3 players and those deals could easily have failed. Unless we find new investment or suitable rich new owners we'll be a lower budget club.

We could put prices up as well - that would help boost the finances.

 

[UnitedBlade]

We could put prices up as well - that would help boost the finances.

I assume you mean ticket prices. It wouldn't be popular and wouldn't produce big sums. I'm guessing 20% increase might give you £1.5M ?As you go higher up, the bigger revenues come from TV. TV makes the big difference. All clubs now need substantial investment to push for PL promotion from the Championship if they haven't got parachute payments.

It's really important to have a good manager getting value for money from whatever the budget is. We finally seem to have someone who can do that.

Every so often you get a Huddersfield/ Wagner combination, you never know.

 

[TTMeysh]

Something not right about the business fundamentals at United: 23rd highest attendance across English football last year, in the third tier. Substantially larger crowds than Birmingham City, yet they can spunk cash right left and centre whereas we are scrabbling around in the bargain bin. We all know that the legacy of previous bad decisions meant that cash was always going to be tight last year, but this year? It just makes no sense to me, I'm afraid.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Something not right about the business fundamentals at United: 23rd highest attendance across English football last year, in the third tier. Substantially larger crowds than Birmingham City, yet they can spunk cash right left and centre whereas we are scrabbling around in the bargain bin. We all know that the legacy of previous bad decisions meant that cash was always going to be tight last year, but this year? It just makes no sense to me, I'm afraid.

Well firstly although income has increased, so have wages costs. It looks like they had to cover losses of around £5m last season to cover SCMP rules plus the owners don't have the money that owners of other clubs do. It's that simple.

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Something not right about the business fundamentals at United: 23rd highest attendance across English football last year, in the third tier. Substantially larger crowds than Birmingham City, yet they can spunk cash right left and centre whereas we are scrabbling around in the bargain bin. We all know that the legacy of previous bad decisions meant that cash was always going to be tight last year, but this year? It just makes no sense to me, I'm afraid.

In the grand scheme of things attendance mean nothing its the owners and how much they want to put in sam could be said for fulham aswell as birmingham.

As much as mccabe has been a great owner , the chapionship is completely different since we last was in it , its now what the bottom half of the prem was then

 

[Esablade]

My mate just sold his house for 350 000 pounds, a clear profit of 80 000. He went out and bought a Ferrari and took his wife and kids on a 5 star luxury holiday but when they came home they had nowhere to live, his wife is on the game his kids in care and he sleeps in a sleeping bag on Fargate.

There's job's going down the Co-op if she wants to lend a hand...

 

[Pinchy]

Something not right about the business fundamentals at United: 23rd highest attendance across English football last year, in the third tier. Substantially larger crowds than Birmingham City, yet they can spunk cash right left and centre whereas we are scrabbling around in the bargain bin. We all know that the legacy of previous bad decisions meant that cash was always going to be tight last year, but this year? It just makes no sense to me, I'm afraid.

Offers to the tune of several million pounds are hardly "bargain bin".

Income falls short of expenditure at the vast majority (all?) of non-elite football clubs. In that light, attendances are a mere drop in the ocean. Once the water is above your nose, it doesn't matter whether it's an inch or a foot, you're drowning.

 

[Boxer Blade]

Something not right about the business fundamentals at United: 23rd highest attendance across English football last year, in the third tier. Substantially larger crowds than Birmingham City, yet they can spunk cash right left and centre whereas we are scrabbling around in the bargain bin. We all know that the legacy of previous bad decisions meant that cash was always going to be tight last year, but this year? It just makes no sense to me, I'm afraid.

Unbelievable

 

[Boxer Blade]

My mate just sold his house for 350 000 pounds, a clear profit of 80 000. He went out and bought a Ferrari and took his wife and kids on a 5 star luxury holiday but when they came home they had nowhere to live, his wife is on the game his kids in care and he sleeps in a sleeping bag on Fargate.

Have you got your mates wifes number

 

[Bladesway]

'As it stands we are on for a top 10 finish' - and how the fuck do you come to that conclusion ??

I was going to explain it to the hard of thinking but LS26BLADE appears to get how it works.

 

[TTMeysh]

I only hope McCabe doesn't see how good we are and think we don't still need to strengthen in certain areas

Offers to the tune of several million pounds are hardly "bargain bin".

Income falls short of expenditure at the vast majority (all?) of non-elite football clubs. In that light, attendances are a mere drop in the ocean. Once the water is above your nose, it doesn't matter whether it's an inch or a foot, you're drowning.

Well there are two ways of looking at it: Either all professional football aside from a half-dozen clubs is a giant, unsustainable Ponzi scheme, and we'll be laughing our arses off when the likes of Birmingham go out of existence and we can take their place; or: We are consistently underperforming relative to our size because we are incapable, as a club, of making the right decisions. In this case, the decision in question being to bankroll the best management team we have had for ages as opposed to throwing cash at a series of fucking idiots like Bryan Robson.

 

[Pinchy]

Well there are two ways of looking at it: Either all professional football aside from a half-dozen clubs is a giant, unsustainable Ponzi scheme, and we'll be laughing our arses off when the likes of Birmingham go out of existence and we can take their place; or: We are consistently underperforming relative to our size because we are incapable, as a club, of making the right decisions. In this case, the decision in question being to bankroll the best management team we have had for ages as opposed to throwing cash at a series of fucking idiots like Bryan Robson.

You miss the point entirely. He is being "bankrolled" as you rather clumsily put it. Financed, I think you mean. We had multiple offers in for players too well-known to repeat; millions of pounds in total. Offers made by Tufty for players Tufty wanted at the level he thought represented their worth. No other clubs; none; not one matched still less bettered those offers. At no point did Wilder suggest increasing those offers beyond what he thought was right.

If you seriously think Birmingham have got it right or there is anything remotely impressive about Bent Arry and Rosie, I despair for you, but much more importantly, for football.

 

[Pinchy]

Shame on you for calling anyone who disagrees with you a pig fan.

There's disagreement; there's difference of opinion. There's also patent, abject, malicious drivel. Shame you can't spot the difference.

 

[Pinchy]

Say what you like about the opening poster being a pig etc but his opening statement is 100% right, weve got the manager but we need owners that want to give it a go.

If Billy Sharp breaks his leg in the next game we will more than likely be relegated this season whereas with decent backing we could be realistically looking at a top 6 finish

Sorry, I can't face explaining the realities yet again. Plenty have already done so, in crystal clear, common sense terms. So I'll have to be brief.

Drivel, from start to finish. Simplistic, ill-informed nonsense.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Shame on you for calling anyone who disagrees with you a pig fan.

....and those that hilariously type "Hi Kev" to any positive comments.

 

[Sean Thornton]

....and those that hilariously type "Hi Kev" to any positive comments.

Did someone call?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Something not right about the business fundamentals at United: 23rd highest attendance across English football last year, in the third tier. Substantially larger crowds than Birmingham City, yet they can spunk cash right left and centre whereas we are scrabbling around in the bargain bin. We all know that the legacy of previous bad decisions meant that cash was always going to be tight last year, but this year? It just makes no sense to me, I'm afraid.

What makes you think the issue isn't with Birmingham way of doing it rather than United which is wrong?

 

[Revolution]

....and those that hilariously type "Hi Kev" to any positive comments.

Not guilty.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Not guilty.

Wasn't meaning you Rev, just making point the tedium is on both sides of the fence

 

[coolhandluke]

Not guilty.

Be honest Rev , do you have even a remote semblance of doubt that there ISN'T pork posting on this thread and others ? Seriously ?

 

[Pinchy]

a man after my own heart, all these happy clappers make me laugh, we should be gratefull for not selling our best players? what ? where the fuck is the money made from the sell on clauses?, again he has proved he has zero ambition, Wilder knows it and wont put up with this shit for long.... a few injuries then we can revist this thread, until then its done, we know where we are now. The Clayton Donaldson was a panic buy as back up for Leon... hes 33 injury prone and we needed pace...

Your laughter, I'm afraid, is born of ignorance. You clearly have little or no understanding of real world business and football finance.

Who is the "he" who has no ambition? You don't say. You really ought not to use a pronoun without first establishing the subject noun. Assuming, amidst the poor prose, that you mean the chairman who has spent tens of millions keeping our club afloat, why would he do so absent ambition? If we don't progress, what's in it for him apart from bridging continuing losses?

You say Clayton was a panic buy? If so the panic was Tufty's. Do you thank that likely? Watch the video.

If you, and others as daft as you, are right, the manager has told a consistent tissue of lies from day one onwards, has he not?

 

[SUFC Guy]

McCabe has to go....

On a well deserved holiday

 

[Pinchy]

Be honest Rev , are you in even a remote semblance of doubt that there ISN'T pork posting on this thread and others ? Seriously ?

Absolutely there is. It has increased dramatically as we continue to demonstrate our superiority over the Pigs.

The ones I struggle to understand are not the obvious pigs but the Blades in name only who turn up only to deride, denigrate and undermine the club they claim to support. They delight only in negativity, at a time when we have a great deal of which to be proud. These people are best termed Non-Blade Wankers, rather than Pigs.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Your laughter, I'm afraid, is born of ignorance. You clearly have little or no understanding of real world business and football finance.

Who is the "he" who has no ambition? You don't say. You really ought not to use a pronoun without first establishing the subject noun. Assuming, amidst the poor prose, that you mean the chairman who has spent tens of millions keeping our club afloat, why would he do so absent ambition? If we don't progress, what's in it for him apart from bridging continuing losses?

You say Clayton was a panic buy? If so the panic was Tufty's. Do you thank that likely? Watch the video.

If you, and others as daft as you, are right, the manager has told a consistent tissue of lies from day one onwards, has he not?

Wilders hands are tied and he tells lies because McCabe still has his dog.

Although he is feeding it with caviar and gold bones, paid for by the sell on money.

 

[SUFC Guy]

How was Clayton a panic buy when he was signed before Cole and Sinclair ? Clayton was a backup option (great planning btw) or it might just be that he was always going to be signed on deadline day no matter whoever we signed in addition.

Pure speculation on the panic buy claim.

I think with Billy, Clarke, Clayton, Lavery and Ched we will have more that enough to see us through. Add to that I think that Duffy and Brookes in a more advanced role with only cement the fact that we will be fine up front this year.

 

[TTMeysh]

What makes you think the issue isn't with Birmingham way of doing it rather than United which is wrong?

Do you mean wrong financially, morally, or in terms of likelihood of success? To deal with the easy one first, the warm moral feeling some seem to get from the club being run on a shoestring is a luxury we can't afford when £1.4bn has just been spent in the transfer window. As far as success is concerned, Birmingham may or may not use the money wisely but all other things being equal, between two well managed clubs the one with the better quality players will tend to do better, no? As far as financials are concerned, Birmingham are clearly taking the long view of the club's prospects if it claws its way into the EPL, something that seems a long way away from being in McCabe's thinking at present.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Do you mean wrong financially, morally, or in terms of likelihood of success? To deal with the easy one first, the warm moral feeling some seem to get from the club being run on a shoestring is a luxury we can't afford when £1.4bn has just been spent in the transfer window. As far as success is concerned, Birmingham may or may not use the money wisely but all other things being equal, between two well managed clubs the one with the better quality players will tend to do better, no? As far as financials are concerned, Birmingham are clearly taking the long view of the club's prospects if it claws its way into the EPL, something that seems a long way away from being in McCabe's thinking at present.

That's right. McCabes clearly happy chucking a few million at it every year just to stay solvent. Like we all would be.

 

[Sean Thornton]

And how long have Birmingham been a role model for financial matters? Since they started spending money under 'Arry?

 

[Pinchy]

That's right. McCabes clearly happy chucking a few million at it every year just to stay solvent. Like we all would be.

Can we add that to the agenda, under 'any other business'?