McCabe -had his time

[The Crab]

I can almost smell a dinosaur image coming on here very shortly.

You'll awaken The Kraken now (only joshing Pinchy)

 

[Eric Cartman]

Price agreed based on confirmation of Championship, McCabe buying out the Prince, deal done in two weeks, Chinese investor coming on board.

Fingers crossed - dream scenario.

A dream for who exactly?
Don't think Prince get's enough credit from some on here. If it wasn't for him we would still be in League 1 (at least...)

 

[Sean Thornton]

Price agreed based on confirmation of Championship, McCabe buying out the Prince, deal done in two weeks, Chinese investor coming on board.

Fingers crossed - dream scenario.

WYHDP?

 

[Sean Thornton]

One can assume McCabe is asking for top dollar, let us hope that Wilders not so veiled treat knocks their heads together and make them see sense one way or another. If the unthinkable happens and we slip back into league one oblivion they will both lose. I hope they can work a structure out that keeps everyone happy . I suggest Bassett as chief arbitrator .

Seeing as he's on a bout a veiled "treat" he could mean Bertie Basset

 

[Rodley]

WYHDP?

I haven’t, but given the narrative has suddenly shifted to “it’ll be resolved in a few weeks”, that’s how I’d like it to play out!!!

 

[Kev Gee]

The last season we began with KMC was sole owner we were signing the likes of Jasper Johns and had David Weir as manager.....

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Price agreed based on confirmation of Championship, McCabe buying out the Prince, deal done in two weeks, Chinese investor coming on board.

Fingers crossed - dream scenario.

Make a nice site for a wholesale warehouse to supply the new China Town?

 

[Rodley]

Make a nice site for a wholesale warehouse to supply the new China Town?

Yeah and it’ll exceed the £10m to buy another site and £50m to build a new ground.

 

[wizadry]

The last season we began with KMC was sole owner we were signing the likes of Jasper Johns and had David Weir as manager.....

Finally, someone gets it.

McCabe couldn’t/wouldn’t carry on pumping millions in without some help, the Prince gave him that help and deserves huge credit in helping us get back to the Championship, it wouldn’t have been done without him or atleast someone else.

 

[Keen Blade]

Price agreed based on confirmation of Championship, McCabe buying out the Prince, deal done in two weeks, Chinese investor coming on board.

Fingers crossed - dream scenario.

I like your dream !

But I also have nightmares.
One of them concerns the Prince having got bored with being a Blade.
And realises he can't fund a proper tilt at the Prem for the fabulous riches that would bring.
Also , his mate Kevin wants out and is looking to cash in on the freehold , knowing the Football Club itself is worth less than nothing.
So , he thinks , how do we get Kevin paid-out ?
Ok , I'll buy the freehold , which puts me in total control.
And saves Kevin the embarrassment of redeveloping it himself (when there's no bigger Blade than him).

But I'm not chucking in charitable donations of £10m pa just to keep SUFC alive.
So I'll just have to be the absentee-landlord bad-guy.
Let's face it , nobody seems to mind that I never attend any matches.
So I'll redevelop the ground and turn a small profit.
And wind-up the loss-making footy club.

There might be some local protests , even street riots , but I'll be in Saudi.
And I don't mind letting the supporters take over SUFC , if 25,000 of them want to commit £400pa each to fund its running costs of £10m pa.
The lack of ground might prove tricky , but theres always Graves Park.
But if they play there , the lack of any gate-receipts will need covering , on top of the £10m.
Nah , all things considered , better to call it a day.
After all , in 127 years they've not managed to become an established Prem club.
So why are they gonna manage it now ?

 

[Keen Blade]

And despite this nightmare , I've renewed my ST !
I must be mad. Or just loyal beyond reason.

 

[bricktop]

I don’t think McCabe can really take us any further than he has done. The one thing that he has done is gear the club up for the top flight with the infrastructure in place.

It is time for him to leave, and let someone else take it on.

At the minute the Prince doesn’t fill me with confidence, but that isn’t to say once he gets in, he will bring his own investors in with him, who are prepared to help invest and keep us moving in the right direction toward the Premiership.

The thing is what concerns me the most is that there is a lot that we don’t know about the Prince, but McCabes race is run here, and maybe it is the time to see what he actually will bring to the table.

 

[Booker4]

I don’t think McCabe can really take us any further than he has done. The one thing that he has done is gear the club up for the top flight with the infrastructure in place.

It is time for him to leave, and let someone else take it on.

At the minute the Prince doesn’t fill me with confidence, but that isn’t to say once he gets in, he will bring his own investors in with him, who are prepared to help invest and keep us moving in the right direction toward the Premiership.

The thing is what concerns me the most is that there is a lot that we don’t know about the Prince, but McCabes race is run here, and maybe it is the time to see what he actually will bring to the table.

I get the view on McCabe but as you say the Prince, or anyone else for that matter is an unknown and we've seen many other clubs fall into desperate times with bad ownership. I am more than happy for McCabe to continue, especially as we've only just returned to the Championship and we haven't seen what this years budget will be yet. We might be surprised, who knows! But either way I think McCabe could still bring us Premier League football back, or more to the point Wilder can!

 

[Dronfield Blade]

Purposely avoided the forum for a couple of days, I come back and everyone still seems to be making rash assumptions about the prince, thank fuck we have Sean Thornton for some actual facts to silence a few of the moaners.

It can go 2 ways, McCabe wins or the Prince wins.

The world will still turn and to be honest the prince and McCabe have both put in a few more quid than all of us put together. Maybe a bit of respect for both would not go amiss.

Also anybody who says they are ITK regarding this situation are outright bullshitters, even members of the management team are in the dark about the situation. That's a fact.

 

[I should coco]

Finally, someone gets it.

McCabe couldn’t/wouldn’t carry on pumping millions in without some help, the Prince gave him that help and deserves huge credit in helping us get back to the Championship, it wouldn’t have been done without him or atleast someone else.

I think his post was morte an attack on KM's abilities rather than the more generous interpretation you've given it.

Both KM and HRH have put in about £15m each since 2013 to cover losses, but this gets no recognition or credit on here as it is 'their job'.

 

[Kev Gee]

Finally, someone gets it.

McCabe couldn’t/wouldn’t carry on pumping millions in without some help, the Prince gave him that help and deserves huge credit in helping us get back to the Championship, it wouldn’t have been done without him or atleast someone else.

Exactly my point. Im not slagging KMC off either. It was well known that he wanted us to pay our own way & he either couldn't or wouldn't put any more money in. The Prince coming on board helped loosen the purse strings alittle and lead us to Clough. The problem being that Clough signed enough players to fill 2 squads and wasted the extra money available.

We also signed a right back for over £ 1million. In league 1. Mainly due to the fact that we as fans clamoured Phipps and the board to sign him as 'our talisman'.

Would we signed Brayford if just KMC was sole chairman? I very much doubt it.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I think his post was morte an attack on KM's abilities rather than the more generous interpretation you've given it.

Both KM and HRH have put in about £15m each since 2013 to cover losses, but this gets no recognition or credit on here as it is 'their job'.

Come on, no ones died have they?

 

[I should coco]

no ones

Which Google translate should I use for this, or did you mean ''no one has'' which would normally abbreviate to ''no one's"?

Daddy will be cross that all that money spent on you at Eton seems to have been a waste.

Rather like the money he's put into the silly football club in that tatty bit of an even tattier Northern city.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Which Google translate should I use for this, or did you mean ''no one has'' which would normally abbreviate to ''no one's"?

Daddy will be cross that all that money spent on you at Eton seems to have been a waste.

Rather like the money he's put into the silly football club in that tatty bit of an even tattier Northern city.

Just because you started posting in French to impress......

 

[I should coco]

Just because you started posting in French to impress......

Pour encourager les autres ......

 

[Revolution]

OK, an exaggeration maybe but the Venkeys at Blackburn amongst everything else have managed to alledgedly take clubs debts to over £100M. The three I mentioned have had ups as well as downs despite the owners but what about Coventry, Portsmouth, Orient, even Liverpool flirted with disaster under those American clowns.

That's my boy. I knew there'd be some new candidates for "at least we're not as badly of as..."

I assume that these 3 clubs will now zoom above us in the next 5 years as the others did. Lucky them.

The idea that Liverpool were in any real trouble is fanciful. Someone would always have stepped in there.

 

[Fraggle Blade]

McCabe's time maybe is up but if the alternative is the Prince then KM still has plenty of time left in him yet. The worse thing that can happen is if the Prince takes control. Contrary to the rubbish that has been talked about re money the prince has put in, its rubbish, over the last few years it KM who has invested, he obviously has been at the prince for him to match it, the prince has point blanked refused and KM could do nothing whatsoever about it. When the realisation came to KM that the prince would not invest anything KM has been trying to force him out of the club, this has been going on a few years now not a recent thing that people think it is. The gloves were off and because KM was doing everything he legally could to force the prince out, the prince is going after this clause that could out KM. The prince has no intention to invest and build this club, he will try to force out KM then without investing try and flog the club to anyone interested to make a quick profit.

He will sell to anyone literally anyone, would KM sell to anyone? of course he wouldn't. It will be sad day in our history if the prince wins this tug of war.

I'm afraid all that is complete and utter made up rubbish.......and that comes from Mr McCabes mouth directly.
McCabe was asked directly about this at the shareholders meeting and he said , "without quoting any amounts as that wouldn't be right, the Prince has invested exactly what was agreed"
It was also confirmed that in the contract the valuation of property / club assets would be independently valued at the time of any sale.
The only conclusion that could be made after the shareholders meeting was that the Prince isn't actually bothered in taking control of the property and would rather invest his money in the team, which is where the litigation becomes involved as that's not in the contract.

 

[The Crab]

Pour encourager les autres ......

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

That's my boy. I knew there'd be some new candidates for "at least we're not as badly of as..."

I assume that these 3 clubs will now zoom above us in the next 5 years as the others did. Lucky them.

The idea that Liverpool were in any real trouble is fanciful. Someone would always have stepped in there.

Liverpool were on the brink of administration but in reality yes, they were always going to be rescued. My point remains that for every successful takeover there is invariably an unsuccessful one. Yes, we could end up like Man City or we could end up like Portsmouth, that's all I'm saying and KM knows that which is why he's not letting go easily.

 

[Revolution]

Liverpool were on the brink of administration but in reality yes, they were always going to be rescued. My point remains that for every successful takeover there is invariably an unsuccessful one. Yes, we could end up like Man City or we could end up like Portsmouth, that's all I'm saying and KM knows that which is why he's not letting go easily.

The problem is that if McCabe stays but the level of his investment doesn't increase that makes a slide down the table more likely.

 

[raul]

The problem is that if McCabe stays but the level of his investment doesn't increase that makes a slide down the table more likely.

"maybe, but at least it won't be as bad as"........

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

The problem is that if McCabe stays but the level of his investment doesn't increase that makes a slide down the table more likely.

and that's exactly Tufty's point, back full circle

 

[Maidenhead]

Every other similar size club in every other major city north of Watford has had a buyer in the past 10 years apart from us.

We just get a 50% owner. And then when he wants to purchase 100% the other owner tries to stop him.

Just look at Leeds.

More buyers, more managers, more players, more spent on transfers, more wages, more of everything except points this season

 

[Eric Cartman]

Just look at Leeds.

More buyers, more managers, more players, more spent on transfers, more wages, more of everything except points this season

But they weren’t sat in League One for 6 years. So every cloud.

 

[Maidenhead]

But they weren’t sat in League One for 6 years. So every cloud.

Which makes this season's achivement so much better.

The other man's grass?

They've had all that you and many others are asking for ever since Ken Bates famously said "if you want Premier League Football you've got to pay Premier League prices" and where's it got em?

Absolutely nowhere.

More money and new owners isn't always the answer.