Maybe he wasn’t one of our own after all?

[Bladeloyal]

It was widely reported the delay at the end was negotiating his settlement.

If not sacked, which I never said he was, then you could be looking at constructive dismissal, which would get a payoff. Or a lawsuit.

I don't think the board wanting a dof constitutes constructive dismissal to be fair

 

[WeAreBlades1889]

Yep HB yet another newbie “Stirring the Shit”

Oh look...another sad act who thinks he owns the place as he's been here a while.
A lot of people follow this forum without posting.
A lot of people felt compelled to start posting during this current situation.
If you don't like it, have a little cry or call the samaritans

 

[flashinblade1889]

Oh look...another sad act who thinks he owns the place as he's been here a while.
A lot of people follow this forum without posting.
A lot of people felt compelled to start posting during this current situation.
If you don't like it, have a little cry or call the samaritans

Ooh hark at her

 

[BlairBlade]

Where 's this £7 m come from.?

I first saw it here, see below, although apparently it comes from The Mirror.

Report: Chris Wilder looking at huge £7m pay off for as he nears Sheffield United exit

Sheffield United will reportedly pay Chris Wilder around £7m in severance pay as the Blades boss nears an exit from Bramall Lane.

www.sheffieldunited.news

 

[BlairBlade]

Before you launch into yet another tirade of abusive comments, this was the same thread I tried to post yesterday but the thing froze as I was writing it and I thought it had simply gone so I reposted. So no, I am not trying to ‘fill the board with the same bullshit’ it was a genuine mistake. If I knew how to delete I would. But please don’t let that stop you continuing to throw abuse....

I didn't see your post until this morning or the one you were responding to until last night.
Initially, I thought that the post about "fill the board with the same old bullshit" was aimed at me.
I imagine I ought to be glad it's not - unless I'm wrong about it!
Sorry you received such abuse. It is not necessary nor acceptable.
Keep on, keeping on!
All the best.

 

[Bladeulike]

I didn't see your post until this morning or the one you were responding to until last night.
Initially, I thought that the post about "fill the board with the same old bullshit" was aimed at me.
I imagine I ought to be glad it's not - unless I'm wrong about it!
Sorry you received such abuse. It is not necessary nor acceptable.
Keep on, keeping on!
All the best.

I suppose when posting on this board you have to expect it to get rough sometimes. Seemed a bit disproportionate but I understand feelings are running high at the moment. Anyway thanks for the comment - appreciated

 

[1danewhitehouse]

You can believe that CW is a legend and our greatest manager ever

At the same time you can also believe that he has acted like a spoilt brat and thrown his toys out the pram after an awful season where he has presided over one of the worst prem season in history , spaffed £60 Mill up the wall whilst refusing any help regarding transfers while trying to resign multiple times and get his self sacked at every press conference


You are allowed to have both of those opinions

You can, but you'd be wrong.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Could you paraphrase what Phipps has said please?

Basically just been spinning it as wilders fault blaming, results, recruitment and anti-owner outburst with no acknowledgment of any wrongdoing on the owners side.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

The board might well have reneged on promises, and might well not have put in as much money as some would have liked.

That said, they didn't pick the pedestrian-at-best Lundstram every week. They didn't continue with the same tactics, despite the fact that they clearly weren't working. They didn't fight to bring Lowe into the squad, only for him to be a bit-part player. They didn't make baffling substitutions. They didn't come out after every match and say that we couldn't compete (despite doing the polar opposite last season).

Blame the board all you like, and clearly they're not entirely blameless, but neither is CW, whether he's one of our own or not. No one is coming out of this looking good.

I'm not saying CW got everything right this season. But ultimately, with our wage structure, there was always a danger of relegation and the structure was such that if it happened, we were in a good position to come back strong next season with wages that were sustainable. That meant missing out on top targets but I think most accepted the accompanying realities on the basis the club stuck to the plan that we thought was in place. They didn't.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I'm not saying CW got everything right this season. But ultimately, with our wage structure, there was always a danger of relegation and the structure was such that if it happened, we were in a good position to come back strong next season with wages that were sustainable. That meant missing out on top targets but I think most accepted the accompanying realities on the basis the club stuck to the plan that we thought was in place. They didn't.

How didn’t they?
This is the bit I’m missing, because apart from holding off during this financial uncertainly on the training ground, which is still planned. I can’t see where the plan as listed by CW has been thrown out the window.
Keep most of our players - check
Consider only offers which exceed our valuation - check
No fire sale - check
Upgrade the training ground - check, admittedly but also understandably late.

What am I missing?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

How didn’t they?
This is the bit I’m missing, because apart from holding off during this financial uncertainly on the training ground, which is still planned. I can’t see where the plan as listed by CW has been thrown out the window.
Keep most of our players - check
Consider only offers which exceed our valuation - check
No fire sale - check
Upgrade the training ground - check, admittedly but also understandably late.

What am I missing?

I don't know every minor detail but I know some stuff from people close to CW but can't share specifics. I do know though that he has at times been undermined by those above him and a situation was created where he felt unable to properly do his job. I know a bit about what he thinks of the people in charge and I know about his general feelings for the club. I can categorically say this wasn't a case of him just wanting a bigger club etc. Very much to do with the conduct of those above him.

 

[Danetheblade]

Basically just been spinning it as wilders fault blaming, results, recruitment and anti-owner outburst with no acknowledgment of any wrongdoing on the owners side.

Well... What's the owner actually done wrong? Potential cases below

Not given wilder funds in January - wasn't much point. We were all but relegated, the signings we were apparently interested in, wouldn't have come.

Training ground delayed - covids caused massive financial losses with every single team. Unless you're a sheikh monsour, you'd be apprehensive regards money.

"Forced" wilder out with demands - only thing I could really think is the whole DOF saga. HOWEVER, put yourself in the princes shoes, I think you'd be apprehensive allowing a manager who's not spent wisely with more funds? Especially with clubs losing millions with lack of spectators and "punters"

Results - come on mate, let's be honest.. they've been absolutely appalling. If it was any other manager, he'd have been sacked long long ago.

Ultimately, I think it's a bit of both, Wilders stubborn, he's a typical Yorkshire man, with a no nonsense attitude which ultimately proved to be his downfall, or certainly assisted it.

Any manager who has a run like we've had simply cannot go into the media making demands and claims, almost angling for the bullet, calling fans or "punters" "playstation managers" due to not agreeing a system isn't working, and that the tactics are wrong.

I'd have loved for them to have met on some compromise, the prince understandably wanted some input into transfers and targets, it's not like he was saying "reyt Chris, you're playing 4-4-2 and we're getting you x y and z" he simply wanted to take some pressure and responsibility off wilders shoulders.

Both sides have been petty since he's left. Wit spouting utter shite on twatter, Phipps giving his input. In truth, nobody's opinion actually matters. We'll find out what we're allowed to find out. Everything else is pure hearsay.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Well... What's the owner actually done wrong? Potential cases below

Not given wilder funds in January - wasn't much point. We were all but relegated, the signings we were apparently interested in, wouldn't have come.

Training ground delayed - covids caused massive financial losses with every single team. Unless you're a sheikh monsour, you'd be apprehensive regards money.

"Forced" wilder out with demands - only thing I could really think is the whole DOF saga. HOWEVER, put yourself in the princes shoes, I think you'd be apprehensive allowing a manager who's not spent wisely with more funds? Especially with clubs losing millions with lack of spectators and "punters"

Results - come on mate, let's be honest.. they've been absolutely appalling. If it was any other manager, he'd have been sacked long long ago.

Ultimately, I think it's a bit of both, Wilders stubborn, he's a typical Yorkshire man, with a no nonsense attitude which ultimately proved to be his downfall, or certainly assisted it.

Any manager who has a run like we've had simply cannot go into the media making demands and claims, almost angling for the bullet, calling fans or "punters" "playstation managers" due to not agreeing a system isn't working, and that the tactics are wrong.

I'd have loved for them to have met on some compromise, the prince understandably wanted some input into transfers and targets, it's not like he was saying "reyt Chris, you're playing 4-4-2 and we're getting you x y and z" he simply wanted to take some pressure and responsibility off wilders shoulders.

Both sides have been petty since he's left. Wit spouting utter shite on twatter, Phipps giving his input. In truth, nobody's opinion actually matters. We'll find out what we're allowed to find out. Everything else is pure hearsay.

Training ground/money/covid- we've reportedly lost about £20mil as a result of covid. Compared with the TV money and parachute payments from our spell in the prem I'd say that's not huge.

DoF/ diluting power on recruit. I would say it's moving the goalposts whilst a manager is in post mid contract which is something I think wilder was more than entitled to take umbrage with. I take your point re recruitment but what has to be taken into account is the inability to compete on wages thus only being able to sign players that other PL clubs don't want. When you look at the age and potential of the signings against that backdrop I don't think it's as bad as people make out.

Results yeah they've been bad. But it's a freak season with no fans, lack of proper pre season and injuries to key players. Again, with the backdrop of 4 absolutely incredible years, I think that needs to be given the weighting it deserves.

Re any other manager being sacked I agree. But he's not any other manager. He has unprecedented goodwill in the bank after what he's achieved. Couple that with the special bond he brought between club and fans and I think the arguments for him staying are overwhelming.

But my original point was just that it's categorically not true about him just walking/ eyeing a better job etc. He wanted to be here but felt pushed out. People can debate elements of his fault within that but those talking like he just ditched us are well wide of the mark.

The extent to which that makes people angry at the owner is an individual matter i guess. Personally it makes me very unhappy. My impression (although I appreciate this is subjective and not factual) is that the club is in very bad hands after what I've seen and heard. The way the departure has been handled with so little recognition and the prince's pal online criticising wilder before and after his departure stinks from my perspective. I think they've taken a harmonious club and destroyed any goodwill and I have absolutely no faith in how they will handle this going forward. So far. The prince has told us the training facilities would be improved and wilder would remain as manager. He has failed to deliver on both of those things.

I absolutely trusted wilder with our club. I absolutely don't trust the prince with it. That comes from a combination of the above, bits I've heard and stuff that is already out in the public domain.

 

[BobblesBlade]

He didn't suff it in his pockets and run, quite the opposite, hence the late breaking story that he was still manager late into the evening.

Apparently at the death he's said keep the money, drop the DOF from the table and I stay...

PA is having a DOF, so the lma advised wilder to take the money while it was a still on the table...

The DOF was a deal breaker quite literally, and sticking to "the plan" as wilder had said (wilder picks and signs players) hasn't happened.

Hence the payoff.. Nobody was sacked, but the contract he had the Prince wanted to break.. Mutual agreement wilder will not have a player bought for him.. He was always clear on that from day one.

That gives me the ending I need.

Wilder took a group of players and got them to the Premiership playing soexciting football.
2nd season in the Prem and after spending over 100million we had gone so far backwards he took us back to where he started.

 

[Carlton Blade]

It's almost like people are making stuff up.....

It's almost like it's in both parties interests to get information out there that paints the other in a negative light.

Blame who you want. I think everyone involved has fucked up. I doubt either of them have it as good again

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

It's almost like people are making stuff up.....

It's almost like it's in both parties interests to get information out there that paints the other in a negative light.

Blame who you want. I think everyone involved has fucked up. I doubt either of them have it as good again

Truth is the first casualty of war.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Truth is the first casualty of war.

And regular scheduled programming

 

[FTPE]

Wilder hasn't turned his back on us, left us in the shit, or done a runner for a payout.
Just like the Prince isn't a fake rich guy, a ruthless footballing dictator, or a nasty foreign bond villan.

Wilder made mistakes. He was dealt a terrible hand at the beginning of the season but his loans (in and out) and his signings either didn't hit the ground running or weren't good enough to be solid competition let alone cover/an upgrade.

It may or may not have been the Princes own money but not many chairman let their managers skunk that kind of money in their second season and through a global pandemic. The biggest positive that came from the Prince was when he publicly stated that he wanted Wilder to be our manager in the Championship next season. It wasn't the dreaded vote of confidence for a week or two, he said Wilder was the best man for the job for this season and especially the one after. A lot of pundits disagreed with him coming out and saying that, they said that it took the pressure of CW and his fight and enthusiasm might diminish, but obviously for the club and the fans sake the Prince disagreed.

Wider has drove himself into the ground, not only is he a huge fan but he's a winner and a very proud man. This season will have hit him hard physically and mentally. He clearly had the ability to push us forward, but in this crazy season he didn't have the know-how to adapt and overcome the colossal challenges we faced. Maybe no manager in football would have.

Personally, if I knew we'd be without a crowd and most of our influential players this season I would have still said Wilder was the best man for the job. I just don't belive anyone could have done any better with the players we have, but caveat is those players!!
For me the biggest question is, do you blame the Prince for not signing Watkins, Cash, Robinson, Maupay, Lingard etc
Or
Do you blame Wilder for signing - Lowe, McBurnie, Osborn, Robinson, Brewster etc?

Either way, Wilder is a legend at the club and things aren't going to be the same for a while, but making the Prince into the bad guy isn't going to help anyone.

 

[petcharlie]

What an awful end to a glorious 5 years.

we don’t know what really happened behind the scenes but we do know how we as supporters feel now and, for me, it is a sense of betrayal.

The fist pumping, shirt thumping, pitch sliding Chris Wilder that so captured and embodied the Blades’ fans passion ultimately ended up walking out the back door as we witnessed today the shambles of a team he leaves behind and that have become such an absolute embarrassment. I will never forget the fabulous times that Chris Wilder gave us and doubt that any other manager could have given us the same. He was truly one of our own but I’m wondering why, if he was one of our own, he would stuff his pockets with 7 million quid and bugger off into the sunset in this manner? I’m sure he will be alright Jack but we collectively won’t be as a fan base. It’s going to take some time to build up trust again. We strongly expressed our views that we wanted him to stay, that we would get over the disappointment, that we would rise again and give him and the team another chance in the Championship and that we would be with him roaring the Blades on for promotion and in pressing the Board for better support. When the chips were down we were more than ready to support one of our own and get through it together. Chris Wilder loved and milked the success as we all did but the test of a person is their ability to tough it out through the hard times. Not so tough after all eh Chris? Glad you could take your lucrative option - sadly as fans we don’t have that choice

I understand the differences were maybe irreconcilable with the Board and a departure was perhaps inevitable. Chris had enough credit in the bank to at least insist on seeing out the season and make a dignified departure in the summer. I watched today’s performance in despair and simply don’t understand that the first person out of the sinking ship was the one who played such a significant role in holing us beneath the waterline in the first place.

We have suffered worse in the history of this club but for me maybe no departure as painful as this one in its manner and execution. One of our own would have given the fans more consideration and respect. Most of us don’t have the luxury of walking away when we disagree with our employer. Most of us don’t earn multi million pounds a year. I just think that when you earn the stratospheric salaries such as those of Prem league managers you actually can make choices that are not solely based on pride and ego.

I wish you well Chris Wilder and genuinely hope you career continues your success story. Spare a thought for those of us who remain and crawl our way through the detritus of this remainder of this season. Would have been good to have said a proper goodbye.

RUBBISH It was Wilder who was let down not the other way round. Pathetic wage structure having to make do with 2nd and 3rd choice signings .no signings at all in last window even though he was begging for a center half even before a ball was kicked in the season while Prince got nowt was saving his cash to buy another club . It is the prince who is NOT ONE OF OUR OWN not Wilder . Wilder was more ambitious than the club were ,the only ambition the prince has is collecting as many clubs as he can . The Blades mean nothing to him ,he has not got that love for the club like us or Wilder has running through his blood.

 

[petcharlie]

How didn’t they?
This is the bit I’m missing, because apart from holding off during this financial uncertainly on the training ground, which is still planned. I can’t see where the plan as listed by CW has been thrown out the window.
Keep most of our players - check
Consider only offers which exceed our valuation - check
No fire sale - check
Upgrade the training ground - check, admittedly but also understandably late.

What am I missing?

No signing of a central defender before a ball was kicked after wilder pleaded for one -check
No change in wage construction even though it was obvious we could not attract the players wilder or the club needed -check
As for no fire sale how do you know that the season has not finished yet and we can not sell anyone till the transfer window opens.
As for upgrading the training facilities there again we do not know and neither do you what the position is , the only thing we do know is the upgrade has not started yet.
As for offers for players i was not aware that we have had any offers for players so how do we know what we are ready to accept .
We can only offer thoughts on what 's happened as fact not what might happen

 

[petcharlie]

Wilder showed more loyalty than any manager i can think of who was in a position he was in during three quarters of his tenure at the Lane.He could have walked in to 80% of jobs on offer in the prem and probably doubled his wages but he stuck by his beloved Blades . Short memories seem to be a issue with a lot of fans on here not remembering how he turned this club around from a floundering third div club to one pushing at the door at european football . Been watching them for 55 years and he has done more for this club than any other man i have witnessed yet some on here seem pleased he has gone good god can not believe it . Well you lot not long to wait now probably another 50 years to wait until another one comes around like him. He was fighting a lost cause having to fight against a poor wages policy having to make do with 2 and third choice signings who were not up to the job. Yes he made a few mistakes but the last man who didn't got crucified to just like him.

 

[Carlton Blade]

No signing of a central defender before a ball was kicked after wilder pleaded for one -check
No change in wage construction even though it was obvious we could not attract the players wilder or the club needed -check
As for no fire sale how do you know that the season has not finished yet and we can not sell anyone till the transfer window opens.
As for upgrading the training facilities there again we do not know and neither do you what the position is , the only thing we do know is the upgrade has not started yet.
As for offers for players i was not aware that we have had any offers for players so how do we know what we are ready to accept .
We can only offer thoughts on what 's happened as fact not what might happen

"Pleaded"? We offered him a contract and he chose Liverpool. As with way too many of our signings we didn't really bother with back up plans

 

[bertieblade]

Stated above that Wilder was not given the funds to sign a replacement centre half ???
He was given funds to buy whoever he wanted within the wage structure. He chose to spend it on Lowe, who is no better than Osborn, Stevens, RND and Kean.
brewster who he chooses to put on the bench
Burke speedboat no driver

in short, he had the funds but chose to spend them in other areas of the squad

 

[Woodys Thunderbolt]

Stated above that Wilder was not given the funds to sign a replacement centre half ???
He was given funds to buy whoever he wanted within the wage structure. He chose to spend it on Lowe, who is no better than Osborn, Stevens, RND and Kean.
brewster who he chooses to put on the bench
Burke speedboat no driver

in short, he had the funds but chose to spend them in other areas of the squad

Spot on. Wilder chose to spunk £23 mill on Brewster and then not bother to play him, could have got 2 decent centre halves for that.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Stated above that Wilder was not given the funds to sign a replacement centre half ???
He was given funds to buy whoever he wanted within the wage structure. He chose to spend it on Lowe, who is no better than Osborn, Stevens, RND and Kean.
brewster who he chooses to put on the bench
Burke speedboat no driver

in short, he had the funds but chose to spend them in other areas of the squad

How can you not understand your own argument? The choice he had was limited by the constraints of the wage structure.
Perhaps he agreed with keeping that wage structure, I don't know, but that's the chief reason we made the signings we made.

 

[bertieblade]

How can you not understand your own argument? The choice he had was limited by the constraints of the wage structure.
Perhaps he agreed with keeping that wage structure, I don't know, but that's the chief reason we made the signings we made.

My own argument is that he had money to spend but spent it on different areas of the squad.
If you cannot get a replacement centre half for the money we paid for Brewster and his wages there is something terribly wrong.

Having seen some of your previous posts, I must however bow to your arrogant opinion though as you are the fountain of all ‘knowledge

 

[Hamburg Blade]

My own argument is that he had money to spend but spent it on different areas of the squad.
If you cannot get a replacement centre half for the money we paid for Brewster and his wages there is something terribly wrong.

Having seen some of your previous posts, I must however bow to your arrogant opinion though as you are the fountain of all ‘knowledge

You said yourself that the signings had to be made within the wage structure then criticised him for the choice of signings. His signings were made from a drastically reduced pool of players because of the wage structure. If you think there was a wide choice of players available who wanted to sign for low wages, you should perhaps list a few, because I don't think there were many of the quality that we needed.
Your last sentence is uncalled for and a bit pathetic.

 

[Maidenhead]

You said yourself that the signings had to be made within the wage structure then criticised him for the choice of signings. His signings were made from a drastically reduced pool of players because of the wage structure. If you think there was a wide choice of players available who wanted to sign for low wages, you should perhaps list a few, because I don't think there were many of the quality that we needed.
Your last sentence is uncalled for and a bit pathetic.

I'd give up if I were you.

Some people just don't get the difference between transfer fees and wages.

I've tried to explain many times that transfer fees are irrelevant but I got fed up of banging my head against a brick wall.

UTB

Edit: irrelevant probably the wrong word a distraction may have been better but the point still stands.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Wilder showed more loyalty than any manager i can think of who was in a position he was in during three quarters of his tenure at the Lane.He could have walked in to 80% of jobs on offer in the prem and probably doubled his wages but he stuck by his beloved Blades . Short memories seem to be a issue with a lot of fans on here not remembering how he turned this club around from a floundering third div club to one pushing at the door at european football . Been watching them for 55 years and he has done more for this club than any other man i have witnessed yet some on here seem pleased he has gone good god can not believe it . Well you lot not long to wait now probably another 50 years to wait until another one comes around like him. He was fighting a lost cause having to fight against a poor wages policy having to make do with 2 and third choice signings who were not up to the job. Yes he made a few mistakes but the last man who didn't got crucified to just like him.

Aside from the fact our wage bill was too low (in line with the roadmap he seemingly agreed with) this post is total nonsense.

He’d have walked into the job at Liverpool, Man Utd, and Tottenham would he?
Tuchel, Arteta and Ancelotti were presumably second choices after Wilder turned them down. Jesus fucking Christ, there’s some erroneous shite being thrown around at the minute.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

I'd give up if I were you.

Some people just don't get the difference between transfer fees and wages.

I've tried to explain many times that transfer fees are irrelevant but I got fed up of banging my head against a brick wall.

UTB

I'll admit I don't understand why the club didn't alter its policy when it became clear we weren't going to get any of the players we wanted with the wages we were offering. It's alright blaming the wage structure, but not when you don't act on it. How much would it really have cost? How much danger would it have put the club in? I don't know, I'd be interested to see some figures. I'd also like to know who made the policy and would be interested to know how much Wilder backed it, but we'll probably never know that.
However, one thing is certain, it was a major factor - probably the major factor - in making the signings we made (or rather didn't make) but some people just don't want to see it.