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This, exactly this.
And it always makes me laugh when anyone presents their opinions as facts whilst shutting down other peoples' opinions because they couldn't possibly understand. There's far too many people like that on both sides of the debate here.
I'm fairly sure there's blame to be apportioned to all parties, just as there is when there's any falling out.
Warnock gave up way way before we were relegated.For anyone who is embarrassed by Wilder's interviews this season I implore you to try and find some of Warnock's from the relegation season. That was true embarrassment.
Bang on the money. The first 4 years obviously count for fck all after this horrendous season. Ok I'm a bit of a dinosaur and old school at 58, but the DNA of a blade is definitely changing with the younger generation. Sad, what a couple of seasons in the premier league cess pit can do.Fuck me, you don't have to read further than that. A fact? Do you actually understand what a fact is? "engineered" it all.... what utter bollocks.
It now seems that wanting a manager to stay who single-handedly saved the club from obscurity and propelled it to its best season anyone can remember is being a "fanboy".
What a stinking cesspit this forum has become this season.
I think the first 4 years would count for a lot more if there hadn't been such an incredible volte-face from the manager from last season to this. Last season he was full of passion, not allowing anyone to underestimate us, shouting from the rooftops that we were where we were on merit and making sure that if any of our players left anything on the pitch they were going to be told about it.Bang on the money. The first 4 years obviously count for fck all after this horrendous season. Ok I'm a bit of a dinosaur and old school at 58, but the DNA of a blade is definitely changing with the younger generation. Sad, what a couple of seasons in the premier league cess pit can do.
I think covid and injuries has had the biggest impact on results.
Wilder was clearly being hurt and frustrated by the situation and clearly it was taking it's mental toll on him.
In the background he must have been getting pressure from Bettis and the board to accept a DOF, hence Wilder being very defensive about his signings in recent weeks, saying things like it was the strategy to sign young players and we all signed Brewster. To us fans it sounded like excuses but if behind closed doors he was being threatened with his job and criticised for his signings it does make a bit more sense why Wilder was very defensive and full of excuses in most press conferences.
I feel all parties have handled this situation terribly. It was too much of an emotional time to try and force through changes now. I feel let down by everyone if I'm being honest, the board, wilder, bettis, the players.
We had a glorious chance to finally establish ourselves, global recognition and praise, a unique style and an amazing united club. And now less than a year later we have never been so divided.
If that was the case it would have better for Wilder to resign at the end of last season with his head held high and his legacy intact.Like I have said it doesn’t take a rocket scientist listening to interviews etc. I have had the pleasure of some dialogue with local journalist in the last few days and this has been going on for some time.
People who say he’s thrown his teddy out of the pram due to the situation this season couldn’t be further from the truth. He threw his teddy out of the pram when we were at the height of doing well. The board have always wanted to do it the way they are going to do it. But obviously they didn’t want to rock the boat too much because results on the pitch dictated that.
Why do you think Van Winkel was brought into the club a few years ago. Even when we were doing well on the pitch they still wanted to change it. Chris Wilder has fought against this since the Prince came in charge. If we had not got promoted when we did they would have changed it the following season. Very very clever from the owners, wait for it to start going sour that then gives them a perfect excuse to change the model. If you listen to Chris’s last couple of interviews and also local journalist all Chris wanted was to still be manager and have control over who is brought in. The owners want a coach and that coach to work with the players someone else brings in.
Can anyone say this is the right approach? That’s not saying people should be brought in to help the manager but it isn’t like that at all. They want someone to make the decisions fully on recruitment. This may work with a club who have an endless supply of money but not us.
This is where constructive dismissal comes into it, they have inherently tried changing his job description/contract from manager to coach etc. He firmly believes this is the wrong model and didn’t want to work that way and I for one fully support him.
Time will tell and it could work and I hope to god it does but in my opinion it won’t and it’s going to end in tears.
If Wilder had still been the Wilder of the first 4 seasons, then I'd get behind him and agree with you.Bang on the money. The first 4 years obviously count for fck all after this horrendous season. Ok I'm a bit of a dinosaur and old school at 58, but the DNA of a blade is definitely changing with the younger generation. Sad, what a couple of seasons in the premier league cess pit can do.
I totally agree. Wilder has made mistakes but it's terrible circumstances that have led to where we are more than anything.Great post. On one hand I feel like a Wilder has left us in the lurch and on the other I feel like Wilder has been thrown under a bus. I think if the fans had been in the stadium backing him, we wouldn't be in this situation.
I totally agree. Wilder has made mistakes but it's terrible circumstances that have led to where we are more than anything.
People having a go at Wilder for being miserable, defensive and negative but put any of us in the same position and it would have likely broken us too. It's easy to say Wilder took the easy way out but to me he was already way past his breaking point.
We don't know for sure but but it's pretty obvious he was being criticised for his signings. And pretty obvious the way the season was going was massively hurting him mentally. Like you say work can be an emotive place anyway and thats without any real emotional attachment.We don't know what has gone on behind the scenes to make Wilder feels like he has come across.
Work and personal stuff has impacted me, to the point where I'm not what I was, a miserable twat basically. Mental pressure is mental pressure
What I can’t get my head round is that if the Board were enforcing different recruitment strategy then the first question is why was that needed? To screw Chris over or because it was in the best long term interests of the club? By common consent Willder’s recruitment was dreadful of late. Berge is class but really looked like a fish out of water in our system, McBurnie has never delivered, Mousset likewise, Burke really doesn’t cut it, Bogle and Lowe were a Championship not Premiership buy and Brewster is a luxury seat warmer. Even the most ardent Wilder fan would say that he lost the plot in the transfer market and opposition to a DOF feels more like a pride thing by Wilder than an objective appraisal of what the club really needs if it wants to survive in the Prem. So maybe the Board was right in that respect?If that was the case it would have better for Wilder to resign at the end of last season with his head held high and his legacy intact.
The board are also in the wrong for trying to force this through when Wilder was clearly struggling mentally to the point they have broken him. Wilder has made mistakes but to apportion all blame on him is absolutely ridiculous with the covid situation and injuries. Our board have contributed massively to Wilder not being himself this year and being so defensive. Publicly backing him while privately chastising him and trying to force changed on him was not the way to go. Especially not right now.
Who says he got a pay off?
He would certainly (well almost certainly) get one if he was sacked.
But he wasn’t sacked.
I'd say Wilders biggest mistakes in the transfer market were not signings adequate replacements for JOC and Lundstram when our only other options would seriously weaken our team. The young expensive players we have signed were the clubs strategy and I will give them the benifit of the doubt as I think some of them will go on to be very very good players.What I can’t get my head round is that if the Board were enforcing different recruitment strategy then the first question is why was that needed? To screw Chris over or because it was in the best long term interests of the club? By common consent Willder’s recruitment was dreadful of late. Berge is class but really looked like a fish out of water in our system, McBurnie has never delivered, Mousset likewise, Burke really doesn’t cut it, Bogle and Lowe were a Championship not Premiership buy and Brewster is a luxury seat warmer. Even the most ardent Wilder fan would say that he lost the plot in the transfer market and opposition to a DOF feels more like a pride thing by Wilder than an objective appraisal of what the club really needs if it wants to survive in the Prem. So maybe the Board was right in that respect?
I’m not a natural supporter of our Board after decades of supporting the Blades so it’s hard to acknowledge that the DOF strategy may have been a good one. That doesn’t exonerate them from the calamitous mess we are now in and how it could and should have been handled better. I would have liked to see Chris wilder working alongside a DOF - surely some compromise terms could have been worked out to save face and produce an operational model that suited both sides? As it is we have a car crash instead. Bloody typical.
Agreed.It was widely reported the delay at the end was negotiating his settlement.
If not sacked, which I never said he was, then you could be looking at constructive dismissal, which would get a payoff. Or a lawsuit.
It’s an interesting dynamic that is emerging in this thread. Apart from the ‘bollocks’ and ‘bilge’ and ‘shit’ insults that my OP generated there’s also been a lot of targeted polarising so I have now become, apparently, one of ‘them’. Not entirely sure who ‘they’ are but, presumably I can longer, by definition, be ‘one of us’. The irony isn’t lost on me that at least I am still here posting a point of view rather than in the car up to Glasgow...allegedly. Also interesting that I have ‘turned my back on Wilder at the first opportunity’. That’s a good one. If you can bothered to read posts I have made throughout the season (no, I don’t blame you if you can’t be arsed) I have been a strong supporter of Wilder all the way through until now. The now is because he’s gone and as far I can make out the only back I can see is his going off into the distance.
Please cut out the abusive comments, or at least shape them into something reasonably coherent. Please stop castigating me as if I belonged to some group that I neither recognise nor belong to. Lastly, please try and stop the rewriting of my position so that it fits more neatly into the limited range of insults you wish to hurl. Of course you disagree with me,honestly that’s fine but attack the post not the poster.
For the record, I don’t blame Wilder for leaving if the relationship with PA had turned toxic and I am not saying he engineered his departure to earn a big cash payout. I am not saying the club has behaved well either. What I am saying is that if you clear away the smoke and mirrors on all sides he has left us with a team today that would get mullered by the team that first came up and has spent shedloads of money in doing so. It has ultimately been an abject, humiliating failure but the ride to get here was exhilarating along the way. I absolutely credit him for the ride. What I don’t give him credit for is the timing and manner of his departure and I believed him when he said, many times, that we would be ‘leaving by the front door’. For me, that would mean seeing out the last few games out and getting to the end of the season as a team, albeit not a very good one any more. That would be what I believe the Chris Wilder of old would have done. I don’t recognise this guy slipping out of the back door when there are still games to play as much as I don’t recognise this team of shadows that he has left us with. In criticising him for that I am not apportioning all the blame for this sorry state of affairs, I’m simply saying he has to take some responsibility for his actions as well as others
Up in his car in Glasgow! Again where is they coming from? He hasn’t been to Celtic or even spoken to them yet you throw that in. It’s shot like this people have issues with it’s all made up yet you would sooner believe this than anything anyone has put. Like I said listen all the interviews Bettis, Heckingbottom Billy etc. Read the local journos columns on it. It’s all there you just have to look hard enough to know what’s going off.It’s an interesting dynamic that is emerging in this thread. Apart from the ‘bollocks’ and ‘bilge’ and ‘shit’ insults that my OP generated there’s also been a lot of targeted polarising so I have now become, apparently, one of ‘them’. Not entirely sure who ‘they’ are but, presumably I can longer, by definition, be ‘one of us’. The irony isn’t lost on me that at least I am still here posting a point of view rather than in the car up to Glasgow...allegedly. Also interesting that I have ‘turned my back on Wilder at the first opportunity’. That’s a good one. If you can bothered to read posts I have made throughout the season (no, I don’t blame you if you can’t be arsed) I have been a strong supporter of Wilder all the way through until now. The now is because he’s gone and as far I can make out the only back I can see is his going off into the distance.
Please cut out the abusive comments, or at least shape them into something reasonably coherent. Please stop castigating me as if I belonged to some group that I neither recognise nor belong to. Lastly, please try and stop the rewriting of my position so that it fits more neatly into the limited range of insults you wish to hurl. Of course you disagree with me,honestly that’s fine but attack the post not the poster.
For the record, I don’t blame Wilder for leaving if the relationship with PA had turned toxic and I am not saying he engineered his departure to earn a big cash payout. I am not saying the club has behaved well either. What I am saying is that if you clear away the smoke and mirrors on all sides he has left us with a team today that would get mullered by the team that first came up and has spent shedloads of money in doing so. It has ultimately been an abject, humiliating failure but the ride to get here was exhilarating along the way. I absolutely credit him for the ride. What I don’t give him credit for is the timing and manner of his departure and I believed him when he said, many times, that we would be ‘leaving by the front door’. For me, that would mean seeing out the last few games out and getting to the end of the season as a team, albeit not a very good one any more. That would be what I believe the Chris Wilder of old would have done. I don’t recognise this guy slipping out of the back door when there are still games to play as much as I don’t recognise this team of shadows that he has left us with. In criticising him for that I am not apportioning all the blame for this sorry state of affairs, I’m simply saying he has to take some responsibility for his actions as well as others
Like I have said it doesn’t take a rocket scientist listening to interviews etc. I have had the pleasure of some dialogue with local journalist in the last few days and this has been going on for some time.
People who say he’s thrown his teddy out of the pram due to the situation this season couldn’t be further from the truth. He threw his teddy out of the pram when we were at the height of doing well. The board have always wanted to do it the way they are going to do it. But obviously they didn’t want to rock the boat too much because results on the pitch dictated that.
Why do you think Van Winkel was brought into the club a few years ago. Even when we were doing well on the pitch they still wanted to change it. Chris Wilder has fought against this since the Prince came in charge. If we had not got promoted when we did they would have changed it the following season. Very very clever from the owners, wait for it to start going sour that then gives them a perfect excuse to change the model. If you listen to Chris’s last couple of interviews and also local journalist all Chris wanted was to still be manager and have control over who is brought in. The owners want a coach and that coach to work with the players someone else brings in.
Can anyone say this is the right approach? That’s not saying people should be brought in to help the manager but it isn’t like that at all. They want someone to make the decisions fully on recruitment. This may work with a club who have an endless supply of money but not us.
This is where constructive dismissal comes into it, they have inherently tried changing his job description/contract from manager to coach etc. He firmly believes this is the wrong model and didn’t want to work that way and I for one fully support him.
Time will tell and it could work and I hope to god it does but in my opinion it won’t and it’s going to end in tears.
It seems the emotional fanboys are out in force again.
The facts are that Chris engineered his way out of the club with a payoff, although not as substantial as he would have liked.
It is quite clear to those who can control their emotions that Wilder was acting like a petulant kid when he wasn't getting his own way!
The board have evert right to talk about bringing in a DOF, as his signings since we got promoted (and a lot before that) have been appalling. He has wasted millions and he didn't deserve to spend a penny more.
Chris said he didn't want to risk the financial stability of the club, so he can't moan about paying higher wages. Maybe the Chairman wanted us to have a similar plan to Norwich. Yo yo for a few years, but live within our means and build year on year.
At the end of the day, Chris presided over one of the worst runs in history and made us the second worst team to ever compete in the Premiership.
Questions to the Wilder fanboys:
Why did Chris refuse to change our formation when we were getting beat week after week and where was this tactical genius' plan B?
Why did Chris keep playing Lundstram, when he wouldn't commit? Duffy was thrown out for a similar reason.
Why did Chris come across as downbeat and uninspiring in interview after interview, throughout the season?
Why did he buy players and not play to their strengths?
The answer overall is that he orchestrated his way out of the club, knew he couldn't save us from the drop and wanted the sack, so that he could get a substantial pay out. Thr Prince wouldn't play ball, so a compromise has been reached.
Chris has now left us with an aging first team squad and a load of players who are probably league 1 level at best.
What has happened has happened.
We shouldn't cry for a man who no longer represents us, so we move forward as a club.
All of that rings true. I would only say that I don't think a DoF, in the role of sole recruiter, works or doesn't work based on how much money the club has to spend. I think people make a link because it tends to be the rich clubs who have one, but I think that's down to the ability of the club to pay the extra wages of a DoF plus it only makes sense to have one if you're also shelling out for a scouting network.Like I have said it doesn’t take a rocket scientist listening to interviews etc. I have had the pleasure of some dialogue with local journalist in the last few days and this has been going on for some time.
People who say he’s thrown his teddy out of the pram due to the situation this season couldn’t be further from the truth. He threw his teddy out of the pram when we were at the height of doing well. The board have always wanted to do it the way they are going to do it. But obviously they didn’t want to rock the boat too much because results on the pitch dictated that.
Why do you think Van Winkel was brought into the club a few years ago. Even when we were doing well on the pitch they still wanted to change it. Chris Wilder has fought against this since the Prince came in charge. If we had not got promoted when we did they would have changed it the following season. Very very clever from the owners, wait for it to start going sour that then gives them a perfect excuse to change the model. If you listen to Chris’s last couple of interviews and also local journalist all Chris wanted was to still be manager and have control over who is brought in. The owners want a coach and that coach to work with the players someone else brings in.
Can anyone say this is the right approach? That’s not saying people should be brought in to help the manager but it isn’t like that at all. They want someone to make the decisions fully on recruitment. This may work with a club who have an endless supply of money but not us.
This is where constructive dismissal comes into it, they have inherently tried changing his job description/contract from manager to coach etc. He firmly believes this is the wrong model and didn’t want to work that way and I for one fully support him.
Time will tell and it could work and I hope to god it does but in my opinion it won’t and it’s going to end in tears.
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