Matty Done

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BushBlade said:
Done seems to have more purpose in what he does. Get anyone off the kop under 30, get them fit and they'd happily run around for 90 minutes. Which is what Scoogs does. Done offers a bit more than that.
It's disappointing because Scoogs looked like he could be a decent player during his first few months but seems to have gone backwards. I think that may be because there isn't really a role for him in the way NA sets up.
Perhaps a loan would help, to a club that will play him behind a lone striker. Then flog him.
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Scoogs needs bulk up if possible, everytime he gets on the ball he looks a threat but then a opposition defender just brushes him aside.

If not then he may as well go out on loan or be sold.
 
Done is as important returnee this season as any player we are realistically going to sign in this league.

Great energy, pace, and work rate. The boy can finish too, great acquisition one I was admittedly dubious about.
 
Treeton Blade said:
He has the knack of being in the right place, and showed he can play up top with Billy.
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No he didn't. They barely linked up at all throughout the game, Done never links up with anyone and his movement is unintelligent. It's just that he and Sharp both got on the scoresheet in the same game - for the first time I believe. One bit of play for Done's first doesn't prove they can play well together - every other time Done's partnered someone up front there's been no sign of any partnership.
 
Treeton Blade said:
It was a great finish, & an even better moment behind the goal!
He has the knack of being in the right place, and showed he can play up top with Billy.
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Exactly, check out our third goal, Billy shoots, Goalie saves, Matt Done is already mid-air to chip it in.
 
Ricky said:
No he didn't. They barely linked up at all throughout the game, Done never links up with anyone and his movement is unintelligent. It's just that he and Sharp both got on the scoresheet in the same game - for the first time I believe. One bit of play for Done's first doesn't prove they can play well together - every other time Done's partnered someone up front there's been no sign of any partnership.
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I thought there were glimpses with Steven Davies last season. Also with Holt playing just off him.

He's barely played with Sammon who is the only "foil" type of striker we have. Adams, Done, Sharp are all ideally would want someone to play off (like Sammon but preferably better in the air). Playing two of them together can work to a degree mainly because Sharp is willing to do some of the dirty work and Done is also very hard working but it's not likely to bring the best out of either. That means we have to choose between optimising one of them alongside Sammon or getting both on the pitch and accepting we're not quite gonna get the best out them.
 
Sharp and Done are both poachers. We need someone who offers more alongside Sharp. Having a partnership that works will win you more points in the long run than the extra couple of goals Done might (or might not) get you.

I'd dispute whether any of them are optimised playing alongside a striker who can't control or head the ball. They might not be the ideal partnership but give me those two together ahead of either of them with Sammon any day of the week.
 
Sharp is much more of a poacher than Done is.

Done has the outright pace and legs to play either out wide or run the channels, doesn't have the same finishing prowess but thats no insult by any means.

We could easily play Sharp, Done and Adams as a front 3 providing we played the right type of football and gave them good service.

Not something I'd imagine happening though, as we look much stronger in a 4-4-2.
 
Question.

Has the absence of a big 6 foot + target man who is good in the air hampered us in an offensive sense this season ?

2nd Question.

Whats the fucking obsession ?

UTB
 
DronnieBlade said:
Question.

Has the absence of a big 6 foot + target man who is good in the air hampered us in an offensive sense this season ?

2nd Question.

Whats the fucking obsession ?

UTB
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Shouldn't the question be 'has the absence of big 6 foot + target man hampered us this season'?
 
BushBlade said:
Is that because it won't give the desired answer?
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Please confirm what you are getting at.

You removed "in an offensive sense". I would just like to understand why.

Not sure what a good target man offers in a defensive sense other than set plays.

I am happy we have enough strength in the air defensively for what its worth.

UTB.
 

DronnieBlade said:
Please confirm what you are getting at.

You removed "in an offensive sense". I would just like to understand why.

Not sure what a good target man offers in a defensive sense other than set plays.

I am happy we have enough strength in the air defensively for what its worth.

UTB.
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Out balls. Having a big man gives you something to launch balls at in the hope he'll hold it up whilst you push out. When we don't have that we have to try to play out from the back or we lose possession and that makes us predictable and easy to play against.

Ideally we'd have a big man and someone with pace so we have the option to go long if we need to. It makes it harder to stop us.

But conversely, when teams come to defend against us having two little ones can be an advantage as the movement is usually better and can drag defenders around.

I'm afraid I'm a bit like NA in that I think all the team defends and all the team attacks so you have to look at how a player affects both aspects. For example, having a slow defence means you tend to sit deeper which affects how you attack.

Sorry, I wasn't being flippant, I'd just assumed you'd got what I meant but disagreed.
 
Che is loving it, Matty looks surprised lol !!!

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DronnieBlade said:
Please confirm what you are getting at.

You removed "in an offensive sense". I would just like to understand why.

Not sure what a good target man offers in a defensive sense other than set plays.

I am happy we have enough strength in the air defensively for what its worth.

UTB.
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Are you a teenager? I remember when I was a teenager I thought target men were a waste of time. Since then, over the years I realise more and more the usefulness of having a good target man in a team.
 
Silent Blade said:
Are you a teenager? I remember when I was a teenager I thought target men were a waste of time. Since then, over the years I realise more and more the usefulness of having a good target man in a team.
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Oh for a Neil Shipperley this season...
 
1danewhitehouse said:
I thought there were glimpses with Steven Davies last season. Also with Holt playing just off him.

He's barely played with Sammon who is the only "foil" type of striker we have. Adams, Done, Sharp are all ideally would want someone to play off (like Sammon but preferably better in the air). Playing two of them together can work to a degree mainly because Sharp is willing to do some of the dirty work and Done is also very hard working but it's not likely to bring the best out of either. That means we have to choose between optimising one of them alongside Sammon or getting both on the pitch and accepting we're not quite gonna get the best out them.
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I would still have Davies here now.
 
Silent Blade said:
Are you a teenager? I remember when I was a teenager I thought target men were a waste of time. Since then, over the years I realise more and more the usefulness of having a good target man in a team.
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I wish !!!

I guess I am from the Arsene Wenger school rather than the Tony Pullis school. Accept both can be effective and probably more so as you go down the leagues.

I just happen to think we actually have decent out balls via Done (over the top) and Sharp (to feet and ONLY to feet) that effectively give you the options you require. The only thing we lack is an utterly dominant CF (Andy Carroll type) who can win flick headers on for the pacey striker to run on to I.e. Proper route 1 stuff.

But let's face it, traditional target men are fast becoming a rarity across he divisions. The modern game demands more "rounded" players, not just big strong lumps akin to Hulk Hogan !

UTB
 
BushBlade said:
Out balls. Having a big man gives you something to launch balls at in the hope he'll hold it up whilst you push out. When we don't have that we have to try to play out from the back or we lose possession and that makes us predictable and easy to play against.

Ideally we'd have a big man and someone with pace so we have the option to go long if we need to. It makes it harder to stop us.

But conversely, when teams come to defend against us having two little ones can be an advantage as the movement is usually better and can drag defenders around.

I'm afraid I'm a bit like NA in that I think all the team defends and all the team attacks so you have to look at how a player affects both aspects. For example, having a slow defence means you tend to sit deeper which affects how you attack.

Sorry, I wasn't being flippant, I'd just assumed you'd got what I meant but disagreed.
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See my post # 55.

UTB
 
sitwell said:
Do you not think he was better than Connor sammon ?
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I would have played neither and stuck with McNulty. He scores goals and is better than both of them. Or given Adams a run down the middle.

Davies is injury prone and doesn't score enough. Sammon is a poorer player but fitter, with the same poor scoring record. Neither of them were suitable.

And at the moment Sammon is better than Davies. He can actually walk.
 

Mcnulty disappears too much ,Adams doesn't have the brains to play down the middle ,if Davies could keep his fitness ,(must admit I don't know what his current injury is) he looked better than the others to me.
 
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