Managers - Touchline or Grandstand?

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<< Say you had to monitor traffic flows on the M1. Where would you stand? On a bridge across the motorway with the height to view from both directions? Or from the hard shoulder as traffic whizzed past?

The question answers itself. So why do football managers prefer to peer through a blur of hurtling bodies, some of which are obscured because others are in the way?

This is a question for which there seems no logical answer. But maybe former Sheffield Wednesday captain Nigel Pearson, now in charge of promotion-chasing Leicester, has a clearer view on it than most. For most of this season Pearson has been doing it the old-fashioned way, watching from the stand. And it appears to be working.

Trends can start almost by accident. In the late 1980s it was then Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish’s preference for standing on the touchline, later adopted by Ron Atkinson in his first spell with the Owls, that started a new fashion.

Maybe the same can apply in reverse. It was only Pearson’s one-match touchline ban in September that fully opened his eyes. He’s stayed in the stand for most of the time since and, while he doesn’t rule out a regular return to pitch side, he admits the elevation gives him “a better overall perspective, especially on team shapes and tactical awareness.”

Which should surprise none of us who’ve looked down on the action all our lives! It’s amazing that more managers don’t do it – but there’s time. Personally, I think the era of the standing boss became a macho thing. Standing up to take the flak and appearing to be driving your team on by your presence.

Gradually it also became accepted that this was part of the spectacle of football as entertainment. But it has counted unfairly against those managers who display a cerebral approach rather than behaving like circus chimpanzees. Let’s all go back to go forward. Yes? No? >>

I agree with the general thrust of Bigg's argument about manager's getting a better view from the stands. However, he claims that managers only started watching from the touchline in the late 1980's. That can't be right can it?

I'm sure both Porterfield and Mcewan used to watch from the touchline long before that.
Not to mention games I saw on the telly with managers like Brian Clough, Jack Charlton, Bob Paisley.
They didn't sit in the stands to watch the match did they?
What about even further back and Matt Busby, Bill Shankly etc..?

The only Blades manager I can remember watching from the stand was Bassett when he hid in there to avoid being booked :)
What about John Harris, Ken Furphy, Jimmy Sirrell, Harry Haslam?
 

I think there is benefits to a manager being sat in the stand as he does get a better view of the pitch and sees what it has happening a lot more. However his presence is also required in the dugout to give out tactical advice, motivate and make substitutions.

Therefore I'm inclined to think that a manager should be in the dugout but have a set of eyes sat in the stand who can pick up on stuff that he will not see pitch side.
 
However his presence is also required in the dugout to give out tactical advice, motivate and make substitutions.

This is fair comment, but surely with modern mobile communications devices, tactics and subs can be quickly and easily relayed to the others on the bench? Motivation can be done pre-match and at half time. I'm not sure how much extra you get out of your players by shouting at them mid-game to run faster.
 
I think he is referring to standing on the touchline, as opposed to sitting down on the bench.

Indeed. Note the famous picture of Alf Ramsay sitting emotionless as all those around him go ballistic during the '66 WCF.

When did players become so thick and useless that they needed telling what to do for the full 90 minutes by someone stood on the touchline? Technical area my arse!
 
http://www.sheffieldtelegraph.co.uk...-owls-skipper-is-the-true-visionary-1-6326183

<< Say you had to monitor traffic flows on the M1. Where would you stand? On a bridge across the motorway with the height to view from both directions? Or from the hard shoulder as traffic whizzed past?

The question answers itself. So why do football managers prefer to peer through a blur of hurtling bodies, some of which are obscured because others are in the way?

This is a question for which there seems no logical answer. But maybe former Sheffield Wednesday captain Nigel Pearson, now in charge of promotion-chasing Leicester, has a clearer view on it than most. For most of this season Pearson has been doing it the old-fashioned way, watching from the stand. And it appears to be working.

Trends can start almost by accident. In the late 1980s it was then Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish’s preference for standing on the touchline, later adopted by Ron Atkinson in his first spell with the Owls, that started a new fashion.

Maybe the same can apply in reverse. It was only Pearson’s one-match touchline ban in September that fully opened his eyes. He’s stayed in the stand for most of the time since and, while he doesn’t rule out a regular return to pitch side, he admits the elevation gives him “a better overall perspective, especially on team shapes and tactical awareness.”

Which should surprise none of us who’ve looked down on the action all our lives! It’s amazing that more managers don’t do it – but there’s time. Personally, I think the era of the standing boss became a macho thing. Standing up to take the flak and appearing to be driving your team on by your presence.

Gradually it also became accepted that this was part of the spectacle of football as entertainment. But it has counted unfairly against those managers who display a cerebral approach rather than behaving like circus chimpanzees. Let’s all go back to go forward. Yes? No? >>

I agree with the general thrust of Bigg's argument about manager's getting a better view from the stands. However, he claims that managers only started watching from the touchline in the late 1980's. That can't be right can it?

I'm sure both Porterfield and Mcewan used to watch from the touchline long before that.
Not to mention games I saw on the telly with managers like Brian Clough, Jack Charlton, Bob Paisley.
They didn't sit in the stands to watch the match did they?
What about even further back and Matt Busby, Bill Shankly etc..?

The only Blades manager I can remember watching from the stand was Bassett when he hid in there to avoid being booked :)
What about John Harris, Ken Furphy, Jimmy Sirrell, Harry Haslam?

I was told that Arthur Rowley was often in the directors box during matches with his ear glued to a transistor radio listening to racing results!

John Harris was usually in the directors box in the old JSS during matches and I think Ken Furphy was the same.

Jimmy Sirrel often watched matches from the dugout and I remember him wearing the old Blades shirt (1968-73) in the dugout when we beat Charlton 3-0 in April 1977.

Harry Haslam was usually in the old JSS directors box, smoking a cigarette after the other and looking very nervous especially when the scores are close in the last 15 minutes (I remember this when we beat Oxford 1-0 in August 1980 thanks to a Bob Hatton header (from a Martin Peters cross) in the dying minutes). Bergara was always animated and vocal in the dugout.

Porterfield was always in the South Stand dugout with his assistant John McSeveney (who was short and in no danger of banging his head against the roof when standing up straight), Billy McEwan was the same.

Bassett was usually in the South Stand directors box for about 75 to 80 minutes of the match before going to the dugout in the late stages of the game.

I think since Bassett all our managers have always been on the touchline
 
Jimmy Sirrel often watched matches from the dugout and I remember him wearing the old Blades shirt (1968-73) in the dugout when we beat Charlton 3-0 in April 1977.

A friend of mine was on the groundstaff in the mid 70s and said that one Monday morning Jimmy Sirrel appeared with a massive plaster on his forehead.

Apparently on the Saturday United had scored late on and Sirrel had leapt up.

Remember the white concrete dugouts on John Street ? That's got to have hurt :eek:
 
I heard tell that Bryan Robson once did a tiny fist-pump when we scored and got a splinter from his little drinks table. Ouch!
 
Some managers have a coach/ assistant sat in the stands watching.

I think you get a good view from pitch level, but you do see a different game.
 
So I am guessing that all 92 managers in the English leagues don't give you the answer?
 

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