Maguire Under-21 Call Up

[true99blade]

If it's true then I'm happy for the lad but this ultimately means he'll be gone in January

 

[mpjacko]

If it's true then I'm happy for the lad but this ultimately means he'll be gone in January

It doesn't mean any thing. All it means is that is skills have been recognized by England and they want him to play under 21's

 

[metalblade]

If we are still top 2 come January and looking good for promotion I don't think Harry will be going anywhere, on the other hand if we are just outside the play off spots McCabe could well decide to cash in.................... yeah he'll be gone in January.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Those that continue to spell his name 'McGuire' will be shocked to discover he's not in the Scottish U21s...

 

[true99blade]

It doesn't mean any thing. All it means is that is skills have been recognized by England and they want him to play under 21's

I'm pretty sure that Championship clubs will be sniffing around a 19 year-old in League 1 who is good enough for Under-21 level. Especially in the financial state we're in.

 

[Selly]

Does this mean he won't be available for some league games now???

 

[Maidenhead]

I'm pretty sure that Championship clubs will be sniffing around a 19 year-old in League 1 who is good enough for Under-21 level. Especially in the financial state we're in.

He's not good enough. He's steady enough in division 3 but he will never be a top class player as he's not got the pace.

Am not knocking him, he's a good honest lad but a Jagielka or a Cahill he is not.

 

[Kentblade]

He's not good enough. He's steady enough in division 3 but he will never be a top class player as he's not got the pace.

Am not knocking him, he's a good honest lad but a Jagielka or a Cahill he is not.

Totally agree.
UTB

 

[mattbianco1]

He's not good enough. He's steady enough in division 3 but he will never be a top class player as he's not got the pace.

Am not knocking him, he's a good honest lad but a Jagielka or a Cahill he is not.

So he's not good enough for teams like top championship or even lower Prem, i.e. Wigan, Reading, Southampton etc. Maybe not world class but definately will be a premiership regular.

 

[true99blade]

He's not good enough. He's steady enough in division 3 but he will never be a top class player as he's not got the pace.

Am not knocking him, he's a good honest lad but a Jagielka or a Cahill he is not.

He's probably been one of our best players so far this season (not really saying much but...) teams that see a 19 year old been called up for under-21s must think he has very good potential. I don't think he's Prem quality but did anybody think Lowton was? And he's one of the favourites at Villa!

 

[Princess Annes Dog]

He's not good enough. He's steady enough in division 3 but he will never be a top class player as he's not got the pace.

Am not knocking him, he's a good honest lad but a Jagielka or a Cahill he is not.

I agree with that. He's great for us, great at this level and wouldn't it be marvelous if just once a player stuck with the team that gave him his chance, stuck with them through the hard times and maybe just maybe helped them get promoted, and then we all found out just how good he was without having to see him sat on the bench at Blackburn or some other non descript place.

I don't think he has the pace, I don't think he has the quality needed to play at the top level yet. A lack of pace can be helped by reading the game and even more so at centre half, I don't think Maguire's a natural so experience will be his best friend. Much better to gain that by playing regular football as opposed to sitting watching it, despite the fact that you're getting paid a lot more for doing that.

Maybe it's agents pushing moves, maybe it's players believing all the bullshit their fed but sometimes it's better to look at the long term rather than how to make a quick buck.

And after all that, GOOD LUCK HARRY, I hope you play and I hope you have a stormer.

 

[Maidenhead]

So he's not good enough for teams like top championship or even lower Prem, i.e. Wigan, Reading, Southampton etc. Maybe not world class but definately will be a premiership regular.

We will see. Time will tell and one or the other of us will be right.

Personally I hope it's you.

Like I said, I've nowt against the lad and I think he does very well at of getting the best out of himself but he just lacks that something extra to be a top class centre half.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

He's not good enough. He's steady enough in division 3 but he will never be a top class player as he's not got the pace.

Am not knocking him, he's a good honest lad but a Jagielka or a Cahill he is not.

Agree with that. Good player at this level. May be ok at Championship level. But you have to be outstanding to get away with such a lack of pace at Premiership level.

 

[Sheff de party]

il bet anyone £20 to their £10 he doesnt leave in January.

he is going absolutely nowhere and i dont think anyone would take him anyway. hundreds of players have played for the under 21s and not made it. its far too much of a risk for a club.

as for Harry, he knows hes learning and getting a game regularly. when his realistic ambition is bigger than that of the club, he might go but thats way into the future in my opinion.

Slew only went cos he knew that chance wasnt coming again.

 

[GAZBLADE]

It's great news for Harry and great news for the club. Why not just leave it at that? Why should it mean in any shape or fashion that it means he's going to leave??
UTB
COYRWW

 

[Kenilworth]

Harry not great? Maybe not yet but I see him reading the game very well when I watch him - that's why he has been so successful in our side to date - and one of the reasons we have kept the goals against column very low this season.

I heard Martin Keown spout bollocks on Football Focus at the weekend stating that no one thought Jagielka was that good before Moyes took a chance on him and the Everton coaching staff turned him into an England regular. Now all those of us who watched Jags on a regular basis knew that he was a class above so it's clear that Keown is just another of those pundits who cannot see outside the big six. Maybe h thought he was just a goal keeper?

I am sure that Harry does need to play with better players to further his career ambitions at some stage. I can see him being a regular premiership player - possibly alongside a more mobile and speedy partner - but I can certainly envisage Harry being the centre back rock that a solid defence is built upon.

 

[dublin 10 blade]

He's not good enough. He's steady enough in division 3 but he will never be a top class player as he's not got the pace.

Am not knocking him, he's a good honest lad but a Jagielka or a Cahill he is not.

Reading of the game is also important and I'll give ya a couple not world beaters but dingle mick, kevin moran,tony adams also the black pearl of inchicore O AH Paul Mcgrath,non of whom were lighting quick but could read a game, also Cahill is shit 2 1 footed and vastly overated just cause we had him on loan should'nt blinker what ya see on a regular basis.

 

[s35blade]

This is no gurantee he will actually play but im genuinely happy for him. He's not ready for the prem like lowton was but i think he defo could be a player for a mid table championship club. I think our young players have learnt from slew and know its better to stick here until you get an offer guranteeing first team football. In the more immediate future will he be gone on saturday? Because if he is we have a CB problem with matt hill and mchaon injured who is going to partner collins?

 

[Kenilworth]

In the more immediate future will he be gone on saturday? Because if he is we have a CB problem with matt hill and mchaon injured who is going to partner collins?

The England U21 game is this Tuesday so I don't think Harry will be missing for the game on Satdi.
You are quite correct, however, to point out that with Hill injured we have absolutely no cover at centre back.
Remember what happened last year when this situation came up after the Oldham game? Shudder......

 

[Tuns]

I heard Martin Keown spout bollocks on Football Focus at the weekend stating that no one thought Jagielka was that good before Moyes took a chance on him and the Everton coaching staff turned him into an England regular. Now all those of us who watched Jags on a regular basis knew that he was a class above so it's clear that Keown is just another of those pundits who cannot see outside the big six. Maybe h thought he was just a goal keeper?
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Didn't see Keown but I'll own up to not thinking Jags was good enough to be an England regular.

Remember his debut at Huddersfield when I thought he'd never even make a regular for us. Remember him being played out of position by Warnock and that whilst he had the pace and athleticism of a modern centre half I though he wasn't good enough on the ball.

More than anything thought he didn't quite have the edge and confidence to make it in the Prem.

But I thought Everton was exactly the right club for him - understated, lowsih expectations and few billy big times. He'd have been overwhelmed at that stage at a bigger/richer club.

He got the chance to develop and grow and hats off to Moyes for making the most of him. Great player and one of too few great blokes in the game.

 

[Kenilworth]

Didn't see Keown but I'll own up to not thinking Jags was good enough to be an England regular.

Remember his debut at Huddersfield when I thought he'd never even make a regular for us. Remember him being played out of position by Warnock and that whilst he had the pace and athleticism of a modern centre half I though he wasn't good enough on the ball.

More than anything thought he didn't quite have the edge and confidence to make it in the Prem.

But I thought Everton was exactly the right club for him - understated, lowsih expectations and few billy big times. He'd have been overwhelmed at that stage at a bigger/richer club.

He got the chance to develop and grow and hats off to Moyes for making the most of him. Great player and one of too few great blokes in the game.

I must be a better judge of a player then Tuns

There were often times when I saw Jags make the difference in games. Not when he played in centre mid or at full back - but when he played centre half. Read the game well, anticipated, competed, dealt with the opposition in a manner that suggested he was much better than those around him.

 

[metalblade]

He made sure of a move to the Premiership v Wigan summat tells me he knew where he was going.

 

[LSF]

Interesting thread this one - I too was one who didn't think Jags would make England, too many errors and not an intelligent player at times during his developing years at SUFC. He improved out of all recognition in his last two years at BL and has gone on to make the absolute maximum of his ability at Everton, he has my utmost admiration.
Harry on the other hand has got early recognition for his abilities and here's an anecdote - someone from within the game told me last week that lots of his teammates have doubts over his ability. Williamson certainly targetted him during Pompey's pre match preparation and singled him out as our weak link. I took notice that early in the game they certainly pressured and targetted Harry more than most teams have this season. The good thing is he came through that examination with flying colours.
What I like about him is his cool head under pressure and his ability not to expose his weaknesses by excellent positional sense.
My initial thoughts on him were that he would get found out at senior level, but he hasn't and looks very comfy in this division.
Can he make the next step up? Based on what I've seen so far, I reckon he can.

 

[super_pig]

Harry doesn't need pace.. his postional play is outstanding (like JT).. like metal says.. gone in January.. probably with his mate George Long
Keown can't see outside the Emirates, never mind the big six.. his bias is quite astonishing for a BBC pundit

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Came off the bench to play 30 mins this evening - kept a clean sheet.

 

[SwissBlade]

Harry doesn't need pace.. his postional play is outstanding (like JT).. like metal says.. gone in January.. probably with his mate George Long

Keown can't see outside the Emirates, never mind the big six.. his bias is quite astonishing for a BBC pundit

Sorry, but I thought you just inferred that John Terry’s “positional play is outstanding” I would say that John Terry’s positional play has always been awful, but he’s been very fortunate in a couple of ways:
a) He has had many exceptional Centre Half Partners and strong full backs who can also cover him. Carvalho was the best example of this.
b) Defensively for both Chelsea and England they have always played tight and extremely well organised, Terry himself can take a lot of credit for this as he is a very strong leader and organiser.
c) Terry’s greatest asset is his ability to recover. A bit like Morgan he will always stick his head in the way if needed and has never been afraid to get battered. Although unlike Morgs he feels pain. Hescreamed like a girl on Sunday and it sounds like he’s not even done much damage, Morgs I seem to remember correctly ruptured his cruciate and tried to carry on before eventually going off a few moments later.

I agree about Harry not needing pace as much, but teams will expose his lack of pace at a higher level. It means that he will always need to play alongside a pacey centrehalf