Louis Reed

[Pinchy]

My Pele, Lowerleaguelittlelouis has a good game for his Conference bound team and it’s bringimbacktime. Where are you all when this Louis inspired outfit routinely gets walloped game after game?

He’s nowhere near as good as Lundstram. That suggestion is nonsense.

He’s not 5’8 tall either. That’s a complete fabrication by the Bladey Boybanders wishing on the Height Star. He’s tiny. He Is one paced. He can’t go past his man. He’s a lightweight, easily brushed off the ball.

He’s at his level right here, right now, at the foot of the football league. If you want Little Louis in our team, you want us to be a poorer team. How very odd. How very local. How very S2.


Little Louis.


Local people.

 

[Gavlar]

That Swindon goal, what a beaut.

 

[robbiez666]

Not saying he should be written off, just saying he’s not done enough to convince he’s the way forward for where we are now.

If you were manager, would you stake your job on him doing it for us in the Championship? Because that’s what it comes down to.

Surely keeping him for another year as back-up isn't staking your job?

We have no idea what will happen in summer. How Coutts will come back. If Fleck will stay. I just don't see a need to automatically write him off and get rid of him. He's earned another year, for me. It's not like we'd get much money for him. I guess, much will come down to finances in summer.

 

[mosbolad]

My Pele, Lowerleaguelittlelouis has a good game for his Conference bound team and it’s bringimbacktime. Where are you all when this Louis inspired outfit routinely gets walloped game after game?
He’s nowhere near as good as Lundstram. That suggestion is nonsense.
He’s not 5’8 tall either. That’s a complete fabrication by the Bladey Boybanders wishing on the Height Star. He’s tiny. He Is one paced. He can’t go past his man. He’s a lightweight, easily brushed off the ball.
He’s at his level right here, right now, at the foot of the football league. If you want Little Louis in our team, you want us to be a poorer team. How very odd. How very local. How very S2.
.

And what did you say about Wilder?

He wouldn't get a mention if he had no United connections. He's a complete nonentity.
Bladey Bladey Claptrap. It never changes. Sack a manager with a proven record of success after less than a season and bring in a former Blade on the back of 15 years of not much.
Nonentity. Fucking Bladey Bladey Nonentity. Read and learn.
Only in S2.....

Read and learn indeed....

Only in S2 eh......

 

[stringer]

I think he has a future, possibly at championship level, it’s too early to tell whether he’ll get either strong enough or good enough.

If only you’d squared it to Adams against Spurs though Louis...

Or Higdon. Still get wound up about Vertonghen with his hand around Bash’s throat now.

 

[BLADES1988]

And what did you say about Wilder?



Read and learn indeed....

Only in S2 eh......

Hahaha love that

 

[Fraggle Blade]

We should sign that McNulty bloke up front, he scores goals and is in the team of the week......we need strikers ;-)

 

[Cerberus Blade]

This isn't viable financially; we can't afford the finished article (Cairney is being touted at £20m).
We have to speculate and gamble: nurture and develop young players, such as Reid.

Well, I was with you 100% until I got to your last word, "Reid".

Of course it's possible to find players who are capable of doing it now - and they needn't cost millions. Wilder's built a team from such players, the likes of Duffy, Fleck, O'Connell, in particular are quality players who cost us very little. It's not just about "young" players either. It's about players with ability, attitude and skill. These could be young, they could be old, they could be starting out in their careers, or coming to the end of it, or somewhere in between. But the one thing they must all have is potential to make a good contribution to the team at the level we are at now as a very minimum, and ideally be able to do it at the level we are aiming for.

I'm sorry, but I don't think Reid is up to it. I know he's only young but we've seen quite a lot of him over a few years now. At the beginning I really thought he was going to make a decent player. On his day his passing can be sublime, but more often than not it's completely random. I think the last time he played in our first team he was subbed at half time, or shortly afterwards, because every time he touched the ball it went off the end of his boot like a wayward firework. Add to that the fact he is very small in stature and gets knocked off the ball easily. Remember, that was in League 1 as well. We are now in the Championship and looking to be in the Premiership. I think it's great that Reid is doing well for Chesterfield of late. A few months ago their fans were saying he was rubbish btw - look back at one of Roybgv's loan reports. Of late they are saying he's their best player. But this is League 2. Is he good enough to come in an challenge Duffy, Fleck, Coutts, Evans, Lundstram, for a starting place?

Not in my opinion.

I wish the lad well I really do, same with Ben Whiteman. He's another one that some fans reckoned we should bring back to the club and play in the first team this season - before we let him go to Donny.

I think there's a massive gulf between the lower leagues and the Championship - and a big gulf between the Championship and the Prem. You don't bridge that gap by taking sentimental views of past players and hoping that one day they'll come good.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

'He’s at his level right here, right now, at the foot of the football league. If you want Little Louis in our team, you want us to be a poorer team. How very odd. How very local. How very S2.'

How very Pinchy ...

 

[Chali 2na]

Well, I was with you 100% until I got to your last word, "Reid".

Of course it's possible to find players who are capable of doing it now - and they needn't cost millions. Wilder's built a team from such players, the likes of Duffy, Fleck, O'Connell, in particular are quality players who cost us very little. It's not just about "young" players either. It's about players with ability, attitude and skill. These could be young, they could be old, they could be starting out in their careers, or coming to the end of it, or somewhere in between. But the one thing they must all have is potential to make a good contribution to the team at the level we are at now as a very minimum, and ideally be able to do it at the level we are aiming for.

I'm sorry, but I don't think Reid is up to it. I know he's only young but we've seen quite a lot of him over a few years now. At the beginning I really thought he was going to make a decent player. On his day his passing can be sublime, but more often than not it's completely random. I think the last time he played in our first team he was subbed at half time, or shortly afterwards, because every time he touched the ball it went off the end of his boot like a wayward firework. Add to that the fact he is very small in stature and gets knocked off the ball easily. Remember, that was in League 1 as well. We are now in the Championship and looking to be in the Premiership. I think it's great that Reid is doing well for Chesterfield of late. A few months ago their fans were saying he was rubbish btw - look back at one of Roybgv's loan reports. Of late they are saying he's their best player. But this is League 2. Is he good enough to come in an challenge Duffy, Fleck, Coutts, Evans, Lundstram, for a starting place?

Not in my opinion.

I wish the lad well I really do, same with Ben Whiteman. He's another one that some fans reckoned we should bring back to the club and play in the first team this season - before we let him go to Donny.

I think there's a massive gulf between the lower leagues and the Championship - and a big gulf between the Championship and the Prem. You don't bridge that gap by taking sentimental views of past players and hoping that one day they'll come good.

That's a sensible post, and I agree with just about all of it. Your assessment of Reed isn't unfair either; he hasnt impressed in the first team since Clough was manager. I, like you, am doubtful that he will ever make it at this level.

However, not all young players develop at the same rate, and their rise doesn't have to meteoric - Matt Lowton didn't make his debut until 20 (Reed's current age), and look at him now.

Don't forget that until this year, Reed has lived off U23s and brief appearances in the 1st team. A lot of people will have said something to the effect of "he needs to bulk up and play man's football" - something he's doing now.
Having this first, full season will teach him a lot, his fitness will improve and hopefully so will his consistency.

What I'm trying to say is that we should keep all our options open: young players, who cost (relatively) very little should be kept around until the coaching staff are certain time's up.

We signed Nathan Thomas (a good L2 midfielder) for £300k - Reed is a good L2 midfielder too, and he's 'free'.



(I would also enjoy Pinchy's response to this post, if he's willing to give it.)

 

[Pinchy]

That's a sensible post, and I agree with just about all of it. Your assessment of Reed isn't unfair either; he hasnt impressed in the first team since Clough was manager. I, like you, am doubtful that he will ever make it at this level.

However, not all young players develop at the same rate, and their rise doesn't have to meteoric - Matt Lowton didn't make his debut until 20 (Reed's current age), and look at him now.

Don't forget that until this year, Reed has lived off U23s and brief appearances in the 1st team. A lot of people will have said something to the effect of "he needs to bulk up and play man's football" - something he's doing now.
Having this first, full season will teach him a lot, his fitness will improve and hopefully so will his consistency.

What I'm trying to say is that we should keep all our options open: young players, who cost (relatively) very little should be kept around until the coaching staff are certain time's up.

We signed Nathan Thomas (a good L2 midfielder) for £300k - Reed is a good L2 midfielder too, and he's 'free'.



(I would also enjoy Pinchy's response to this post, if he's willing to give it.)

#91. It’s already there.

 

[I should coco]

However, not all young players develop at the same rate, and their rise doesn't have to meteoric - Matt Lowton didn't make his debut until 20 (Reed's current age), and look at him now.

A very salient point. It doesn't mean that Reid will necessarily make it, but it is far too early to write him off as 'Little Louis'.

Apparently some kid called Brooks (Brookes?) got chucked out of Man City's academy for not being good enough at some artificial age point. I wonder what he's doing now?

 

[Chali 2na]

#91. It’s already there.

Not really, as far as I can tell, you're reffering to people who want "LittleLouis in our team" - I haven't said that.

I was more hoping to get an answer from you in response to my points that:

• Many young players are "late bloomers" and Reed has some time left in this regard.
• This is Reed's first test of a full season of man's football and he appears (after a tricky start, admittedly) to be excelling and developing physically.
• Thanks to our limited budget, the division he's playing in, is one of our markets.
• Giving him another season (possibly in L1) is low cost and low risk.

 

[8lade]

What we could do with is an Evans and Lundstram blended into one but that might cost a bit

Does that technology even exist?

 

[Revolution]

Not really, as far as I can tell, you're reffering to people who want "LittleLouis in our team" - I haven't said that.

I was more hoping to get an answer from you in response to my points that:

• Many young players are "late bloomers" and Reed has some time left in this regard.
• This is Reed's first test of a full season of man's football and he appears (after a tricky start, admittedly) to be excelling and developing physically.
• Thanks to our limited budget, the division he's playing in, is one of our markets.
• Giving him another season (possibly in L1) is low cost and low risk.

I never rated Reed when he was in and around the first team, but you make good points. We often forget how young Reed is - he was our youngest ever first team player I think. Not everyone can hit the ground running at 17 or 18.

You mention Lowton, who needed time to develop. An example I have used before with reference to Reed is Dane Whitehouse. Not a similar player to Reed, but when he was 18 years old and played a couple of games in 1988-9 he looked like he couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag. He got about a dozen games in the second promotion year, stalled a bit in the first season in the top flight, but in 1991-2 he had the extra physicality he needed to be a good top division player, so it does happen. There is time for Reed to improve.

The big question - and it's also one that needs to be asked of George Long, where I think the decision is a bit more difficult - is how long are you prepared to pay a squad player in the hope he'll reach his full potential? It's not an exact science and you can't keep everyone. We have other players on the books - most notably Ched Evans - who are essentially getting a year's wages for doing very little and it ties up too much money to have too many such players. It's better to have people who can help us now.

I haven't seen enough of Reed this season to make a judgment, but given his age I can see the argument for another one year deal if it's reasonably priced.

 

[I should coco]

A great post Revolution and you very nearly got the like until.....

We have other players on the books - most notably Ched Evans - who are essentially getting a year's wages for doing very little and it ties up too much money to have too many such players. It's better to have people who can help us now.

I'm in the Ched-Remain camp, but does he really have to get dragged into every other discussion? Ched's wages are a fraction of what we are paying for Wilson, but don't let that stop the boot going in.

 

[Revolution]

A great post Revolution and you very nearly got the like until.....



I'm in the Ched-Remain camp, but does he really have to get dragged into every other discussion? Ched's wages are a fraction of what we are paying for Wilson, but don't let that stop the boot going in.

Sorry, poor choice of player I suppose. But the point is there with Evans: how long do we keep him hoping he comes good? It's a similar scenario to Reed for me, save for the fact that his contract is a sunk cost I suppose whereas Reed is out of contract in the summer, and there is no decision to make re Ched.

Nathan Thomas and Daniel Lafferty can also be used as examples.

And FWIW I wouldn't have signed Wilson myself.

 

[I should coco]

Sorry, poor choice of player I suppose.

It just opens up a whole new seam of Ched-in/ Ched-out garbage and if we are really lucky, after debating his morals we can rerun the trial in full on here. Zzzzzzzz

But the point is there with Evans: how long do we keep him hoping he comes good? It's a similar scenario to Reed for me, save for the fact that his contract is a sunk cost I suppose whereas Reed is out of contract in the summer, and there is no decision to make re Ched.

Given he didn;t have the op until November I'd like to wind up the Chedhaters by saying he needs a 'full pre-season'. Being serious, if he isn't performing in the first half of next season then surely we have to try to move him on in the 2019 JTW.

And FWIW I wouldn't have signed Wilson myself.

Another Ched like gamble. Three years ago he was way ahead of Marcus Rashford and the next wonder kid off the Manyoo production line. His loan at Brighton after various injuries, was clearly a failure and he's not exactly setting things alight here either.

It could have been so different but of course this is United. If things can go tits up, they invariably do.

 

[Revolution]

It just opens up a whole new seam of Ched-in/ Ched-out garbage and if we are really lucky, after debating his morals we can rerun the trial in full on here. Zzzzzzzz



Given he didn;t have the op until November I'd like to wind up the Chedhaters by saying he needs a 'full pre-season'. Being serious, if he isn't performing in the first half of next season then surely we have to try to move him on in the 2019 JTW.



Another Ched like gamble. Three years ago he was way ahead of Marcus Rashford and the next wonder kid off the Manyoo production line. His loan at Brighton after various injuries, was clearly a failure and he's not exactly setting things alight here either.

It could have been so different but of course this is United. If things can go tits up, they invariably do.

I haven't followed the situation with Wilson too closely but I understand that the main reason he hasn't featured more is that he keeps getting injured, which of course has dogged him throughout his short career.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

If you want Little Louis in our team, you want us to be a poorer team. How very odd. How very local. How very S2.

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Just had a quick look through the posts on this thread, and I can't see a single one which suggests putting Reed in the first team. I find it weird that you then go on to claim that wanting him in the team is typical of us as fans. I enjoy most of your other posts, but I just don't get why you piss so many of us off for no good reason that I can work out.

 

[Chali 2na]

Just had a quick look through the posts on this thread, and I can't see a single one which suggests putting Reed in the first team. I find it weird that you then go on to claim that wanting him in the team is typical of us as fans. I enjoy most of your other posts, but I just don't get why you piss so many of us off for no good reason that I can work out.

He has a habit of seeing what he wants to see, and responding to non-existent posts, while choosing not to respond to reasonable questions or challenges

 

[Harrisblade]

Just had a quick look through the posts on this thread, and I can't see a single one which suggests putting Reed in the first team. I find it weird that you then go on to claim that wanting him in the team is typical of us as fans. I enjoy most of your other posts, but I just don't get why you piss so many of us off for no good reason that I can work out.

I wonder what course Reed's career with us might have taken if he'd scored with the chance against Spurs that would have put us 3-1 up in the semi

"84 min Ooh! Flynn runs forward from right back and spots a massive gap in the defence. He slides the ball through for Reed down the inside right channel. The 17-year-old bursts between the defence and has the goal at his mercy, but shoots narrowly over"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...ur-League-Cup-semi-final-second-leg-live.html

 

[Pinchy]

I wonder what course Reed's career with us might have taken if he'd scored with the chance against Spurs that would have put us 3-1 up in the semi

"84 min Ooh! Flynn runs forward from right back and spots a massive gap in the defence. He slides the ball through for Reed down the inside right channel. The 17-year-old bursts between the defence and has the goal at his mercy, but shoots narrowly over"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...ur-League-Cup-semi-final-second-leg-live.html

He wouldn’t have needed to practice hitting the target as much?

The little fella has one decent game on telly so the Boybanders are out in force. Where is the fuss when his bottom of the table team gets hammered, which is commonplace. Does he not play on those frequent occasions?

 

[Chali 2na]

He wouldn’t have needed to practice hitting the target as much?

The little fella has one decent game on telly so the Boybanders are out in force. Where is the fuss when his bottom of the table team gets hammered, which is commonplace. Does he not play on those frequent occasions?

I've seen Chesterfield 8 times this season. How many times have you seen him play this season out of interest?

After a poor start from both Reed and the team, he is beginning to gain confidence, and his form seems to be steadily improving.
This doesn't mean he'll become a championship player but it's encouraging for both club and player.

 

[Harrisblade]

He wouldn’t have needed to practice hitting the target as much?

The little fella has one decent game on telly so the Boybanders are out in force. Where is the fuss when his bottom of the table team gets hammered, which is commonplace. Does he not play on those frequent occasions?

He probably still misses the target as often as you do - but why read a post when you can have a good sneer instead

 

[Pinchy]

I've seen Chesterfield 8 times this season. How many times have you seen him play this season out of interest?

After a poor start from both Reed and the team, he is beginning to gain confidence, and his form seems to be steadily improving.
This doesn't mean he'll become a championship player but it's encouraging for both club and player.

I’m not in the least encouraged by the thought of lower-league Louis Reed occupying a pivotal position in our team. It will mean we aren’t doing very well.

Isn’t it time we had a bit more fuss about Ben Whiteman? Oh, how we needed him in January when he’d knocked in a handful of league one goals. The silence from the Doncaster Fucking Rovers bench is deafening now.

Oh, those Bladey Boybanders are so very quaint; so very local,

 

[Chali 2na]

I’m not in the least encouraged by the thought of lower-league Louis Reed occupying a pivotal position in our team. It will mean we aren’t doing very well.

Who said anything about a "pivotal position"?

Thats right Pinchy; nobody. You're arguing with these fictitious "bladey boy banders" again.

I suspect you're still not prepared to respond to post 103 yet either?

 

[Pinchy]

Who said anything about a "pivotal position"?

Thats right Pinchy; nobody. You're arguing with these fictitious "bladey boy banders" again.

I suspect you're still not prepared to respond to post 103 yet either?

Centre-midfield is, by definition, a pivotal position. If anyone didn’t know that already, look at what happened when we lost the outstanding Paul Coutts.

Perhaps we should recruit the entire Chesterfield team? They won a televised game. They must be really good. That lad Whiteman at Doncaster: Gerriminaswell.

 

[Chali 2na]

Centre-midfield is, by definition, a pivotal position. If anyone didn’t know that already, look at what happened when we lost the outstanding Paul Coutts.

Perhaps we should recruit the entire Chesterfield team? They won a televised game. They must be really good. That lad Whiteman at Doncaster: Gerriminaswell.

That would be great if someone on this thread had called for him to start - they haven't.

I think sensible people see that our young players playing well, progressing physically and mentally, and increasing in value is a good thing.

It seems some people (one person) is desperate for them to fail in order to satisfy their agenda.

 

[Bladesman]

That would be great if someone on this thread had called for him to start - they haven't.

I think sensible people see that our young players playing well, progressing physically and mentally, and increasing in value is a good thing.

It seems some people (one person) is desperate for them to fail in order to satisfy their agenda.

If it was up to Pinchy no player under the age 21 would be allowed anywhere near the first team. If by some miracle they do make the first team, they best perform like Messi or it is off to non league with them.

All this supporting the club and their young players like some sort of Blades fan. It must make him sick to the back teeth reading it all.