Let's Talk... Wilder's Weird Signings

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Ramsdale
Moore
Foderingham
Verrips
Eastwood
Dewhurst

and what was Jags on last season? £20k a week (rumoured to be more) and £10k a week this season? £1.5m in wages wasted to be brutally honest.

 

[Gozza]

Ramsdale
Moore
Foderingham
Verrips
Eastwood
Dewhurst

and what was Jags on last season? £20k a week (rumoured to be more) and £10k a week this season? £1.5m in wages wasted to be brutally honest.

I think he was and still is, on 50k a week...

 

[Bladesman]

We dont need 4 keepers. I dont understand the signing of Foderigham

I think we expected Moore to leave but he got that hand injury after Wes had already signed. I think the plan was to have Rammers, Wes and Verrips as our 3 keepers.

 

[Chabuddy G]

I think he was and still is, on 50k a week...

He wasn’t and isn’t hahaha

 

[Gozza]

He wasn’t and isn’t hahaha

https://salarysport.com/football/player/phil-jagielka/ Yeah I can't lie I don't know how accurate the site is But I have my sources!

 

[robbiez666]

You have 3 keepers for that exact reason, incase one gets injured

You have 3

Then you're left with 2 keepers, one being on the bench. I dont understand your logic?

And if one of those 2 remaining keepers gets sent off or injured who is on the bench next game? Moore was out for months.

And before you say that's unlikely, how likely is it that we've had JoC, Stevens, Fleck and Ampadu injured around the same time?

 

[Balham]

We have 4 keepers because Moore was out injured at the start of the season and we only had 3 senior keepers.

I'd be amazed if there wasn't a plan at the start of the season for Moore to leave on a permanent or Verrips on loan. League One Wes would have been a budget choice for a backup keeper not expected to play; Ramsdale's injury record is exceptional.

I think he was and still is, on 50k a week...

I'm NITFK but I am happy to say that there is no way on God's green earth that we're paying a reserve centre-half £50k per week. Half that at most.

 

[robbiez666]

When you have limited resources, especially in comparison to your direct opponents you have to be creative. Have less players, have players covering multiple roles, look for players in places other teams wouldn't.

Instead we have decided that not having 25 would be embarrassing? I can't imagine another reason for some of the signings we made.

If I had to gamble on either Baldock staying fit or United having a desperate need for a midfielder with some athleticism or creativity and I can't do both I get the midfielder in.

You might be gambling your job on Baldock staying fit. Why would you do that? If he gets injured, our system wouldn't work. The only system we play.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but there was a general consensus we needed a back-up with Freeman leaving. Bogle is like 20 and hopefully will be with us for years. We can't by ready-made replacement so you have to invest in players for the future.

It's not like Wilder was trying to sign a midfielder but couldn't because he ran out of money. He simply seemed to stop after Swift

 

[robbiez666]

I'd be amazed if there wasn't a plan at the start of the season for Moore to leave on a permanent or Verrips on loan. League One Wes would have been a budget choice for a backup keeper not expected to play; Ramsdale's injury record is exceptional.


I'm NITFK but I am happy to say that there is no way on God's green earth that we're paying a reserve centre-half £50k per week. Half that at most.

The plan was to send Verrips on loan and then Moore got injured.

 

[Chabuddy G]

And if one of those 2 remaining keepers gets sent off or injured who is on the bench next game? Moore was out for months.

And before you say that's unlikely, how likely is it that we've had JoC, Stevens, Fleck and Ampadu injured around the same time?

One off the U23's, you know, like a normal club

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Wilder likes his signings to be overpriced and hope they work out or absolutely bargain basement and never play. No sensible signings for us please. And no fuckin forriners except Moose. And Berge, but everyone knows Scandinavian people are just nice British people so not really foreign.

 

[Chabuddy G]

The plan was to send Verrips on loan and then Moore got injured.

So then we'd have only had 3 anyway if Verrips had gone out on loan? I fail to see your logic

 

[Chabuddy G]

https://salarysport.com/football/player/phil-jagielka/ Yeah I can't lie I don't know how accurate the site is But I have my sources!

I have mine too, and Jags ain't on anything like 50k

 

[Carlton Blade]

You might be gambling your job on Baldock staying fit. Why would you do that? If he gets injured, our system wouldn't work. The only system we play.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but there was a general consensus we needed a back-up with Freeman leaving. Bogle is like 20 and hopefully will be with us for years. We can't by ready-made replacement so you have to invest in players for the future.

It's not like Wilder was trying to sign a midfielder but couldn't because he ran out of money. He simply seemed to stop after Swift

There is a circumstance where we don't need a RWB. We had Slater who could have filled in for emergencies. We had loan slots spare. There was no circumstance where we had enough midfielders to be effective when Lundstram was not going to sign his contract.

It was a poor use of resources

 

[Tarqs]

If it's true that we're struggling to match the wage demands of many players, whilst sticking to a strict wage structure (30k a week ish)......

Why the fuck would we be paying 50k a week for a fucking mentor.

 

[Chabuddy G]

There is a circumstance where we don't need a RWB. We had Slater who could have filled in for emergencies. We had loan slots spare. There was no circumstance where we had enough midfielders to be effective when Lundstram was not going to sign his contract.

It was a poor use of resources

We could've used the 23m we spent on Brewster (+ the wages of Jags and Rodwell and one of the keepers) on Armstrong, Swift and Kongolo. And had change to spare. And potentially a bit of supply for the strikers. Instead we have a capable forwardline (at least imo) with virtually zero creativity behind them. The Brewster signing was desperation and made little sense at the time, even less now

 

[blade too long]

Now I'm not on about the big money signings that we can argue about all day, or how much in your view he's pissed up the wall etc etc

For me, much more pressing is the fact we have signed players who will be on decent money yet will NEVER play.
I'm looking at you, Jack Rodwell. I'm looking at you, Phil Jagielka. Michael Verrips, Wes Foderingham, Simon Moore - 4 keepers, why?
Jayden Bogle, signed for good money, looks a good player, but it'll take a Baldock leg break for him to get a game.
Last season it was Ravel Morrison, Luke Freeman, and some of the above.
He has also now fallen out with Jack Robinson (who is rubbish) meaning Kean Bryan has been starting PL games, but he would've been another of the list.

These are players that will never play barring the most insane injury crisis known to man, clearly, so why sign them in the first place?
They'll be on a decent wedge, which put together could contribute to a very good and useful signing who might actually get on the pitch.

It's another of Wilder's flaws which has been brushed under the carpet, he's care free with the 'excess' money, when in reality we'd be a lot better served just keeping it.

We re-signed Rodwell and Jags this summer, what the fuck for?

really
name any club thats not taken punts on a seeming bargain player
and what category do most of the team who got us where we are fall
for every punt thats worked Id reckon at any club 3 others won't

Alex Ferguson paid big money for some serious cash for a lot of dross

just wondering too ,if youve been watching us for a long time had you noticed one or two other signings we have made since the sixties that hadnt worked out
by previous managers
Surely Basham was a strange signing in the first year at the club , he got massive stick on here like your list

 

[Carlton Blade]

We could've used the 23m we spent on Brewster (+ the wages of Jags and Rodwell and one of the keepers) on Armstrong, Swift and Kongolo. And had change to spare. And potentially a bit of supply for the strikers. Instead we have a capable forwardline (at least imo) with virtually zero creativity behind them. The Brewster signing was desperation and made little sense at the time, even less now

He'd played in 22 adult games. Wilder has always preached that experience matters. This was so far out of his usual MO that it didn't even seem like the same person

 

[Chabuddy G]

really
name any club thats not taken punts on a seeming bargain player
and what category do most of the team who got us where we are fall
for every punt thats worked Id reckon at any club 3 others won't

Alex Ferguson paid big money for some serious cash for a lot of dross

just wondering too ,if youve been watching us for a long time had you noticed one or two other signings we have made since the sixties that hadnt worked out
by previous managers
Surely Basham was strange signing in the first year at the club , on here he got massive stick

It was clear Rodwell and Jags wouldn't get games based on last season, why resign them again for another run at it?
We had 2 keepers with a first teamer top of the shopping list, why sign League Waaan Wes?

They aren't 'punts on a seeming bargain player' as you so oddly put it, they are just an obvious and stupid waste of resources.

 

[Houston_Blade]

They aren't that weird. They are just experienced back up players on presumably low wages. All clubs make signings like this. Man City signed Scott Carson, for example.

The goalkeeper issue is different. You’ve got Grant at Man U, Carson at City and last season Lonergan at Liverpool.

It’s an English player in the 25 box ticking exercise. They sign because they are flattered and the club can afford to pay them handsomely (but bugger all in the grand scheme of things) for basically being someone for their strikers to shoot at in training. In their mid 30’s they can’t look a gift horse in the mouth and they probably get £500k for the year as a salary.

 

[Chabuddy G]

He'd played in 22 adult games. Wilder has always preached that experience matters. This was so far out of his usual MO that it didn't even seem like the same person

Armstrong would've suited us so much more. Similar pace to Burke but with the actual ability and football brain to go with it. And some sort of bodily balance to enable him to not fall over whenever he has a chance of a goal.

 

[robbiez666]

So then we'd have only had 3 anyway if Verrips had gone out on loan? I fail to see your logic

Sigh. Every Premier League club has a squad with 3 FIT keepers in it. Should one of those keepers get a serious injury then they sign another keeper to cover. So they always have 3 FIT keepers. We have 3 FIT keepers. If we didn't sign Foderingham, we'd have 2 FIT keepers. The idea was to send out Verrips on loan for experience whilst we had 3 other FIT keepers in the squad, but because one of those keepers picked up a longterm injury, we didn't.

 

[blade too long]

It was clear Rodwell and Jags wouldn't get games based on last season, why resign them again for another run at it?
We had 2 keepers with a first teamer top of the shopping list, why sign League Waaan Wes?

They aren't 'punts on a seeming bargain player' as you so oddly put it, they are just an obvious and stupid waste of resources.

they have what the squad was short of prem experience
its not by prem standards much of an outlay to get this much experience
comes in handy in training as much as on the park

again name any team that tries not to have some prem experience in a prem squad
and dont try and say jags offers no insight after being among the countries top central defenders

villa took john terry not to play but advise

 

[GrayBlade]

Don't follow forest so I don't know why he's not playing there, but I still think he payed well last season from what I saw from him and its another option, something we should at least think about since we are rock bottom with 1 point.

I totally agree mate, I thought he played well enough as well in the few games that he was selected. Just flagging up that he’s not even been warming the Forest bench and I haven’t read anything about him being injured.

 

[GrayBlade]

slightly concerning that he cant get in a struggling forest side is it a season long loan ? if not think they will be sending him back in january maybe houghton doesnt rate him but i would have thought he would be a good asset for us if the inevitable happens and were back in the championship next season

Pretty sure it was a season long loan but my guess is that we wouldn't have a problem recalling him.

 

[Chabuddy G]

Sigh. Every Premier League club has a squad with 3 FIT keepers in it. Should one of those keepers get a serious injury then they sign another keeper to cover. So they always have 3 FIT keepers. We have 3 FIT keepers. If we didn't sign Foderingham, we'd have 2 FIT keepers. The idea was to send out Verrips on loan for experience whilst we had 3 other FIT keepers in the squad, but because one of those keepers picked up a longterm injury, we didn't.

How do you know this?

Also, FWIW, most clubs have 3 senior keepers on the books, normally 2 and a first or second year pro academy one actually (see Liverpool with Kelleher right now). There's no reason to have 4 senior keepers on the books (+ Dewhurst, + Eastwood). It's a waste of resources, no matter how little the wages are.

4 keepers, 3 of which are nowhere near the standard of number 1, is crazy.

 

[Wincobank S9 Blade]

That’s only thing I think he’s done wrong over payed valuable money on players that sadly don’t seem good enough yet I know it’s not FM and it’s hard because we have to look at different players in comparison to majority of other PL clubs but for eg 18.5 million on a goalkeeper that’s had 1 experienced season is a huge gamble so is Brewster who’s had no experience in PL that’s not slagging them off because I think in future they’ll be top players but right now there still learning and we’ve payed a lot for them when arguably we could have got cheaper abroad or other options

 

[Chabuddy G]

they have what the squad was short of prem experience
its not by prem standards much of an outlay to get this much experience
comes in handy in training as much as on the park

again name any team that tries not to have some prem experience in a prem squad
and dont try and say jags offers no insight after being among the countries top central defenders

villa took john terry not to play but advise

Why do we need Rodwell and Jags for Prem advice? They've all just had a 38 game season of the fucker

 

[blade too long]

Why do we need Rodwell and Jags for Prem advice? They've all just had a 38 game season of the fucker

yes because all players who get through one seasopn become seasoned prem players who have encountered all it can throw at them
if they had been more savvy theyd have carried Vardy off on a stretcher instead of him destroying a corner flag
id bet money Jags ould have took one for the team

 

[Chabuddy G]

yes because all players who get through one seasopn become seasoned prem players who have encountered all it can throw at them
if they had been more savvy theyd have carried Vardy off on a stretcher instead of him destroying a corner flag
id bet money Jags ould have took one for the team

I'm sure all the lads look to Rodwell for advice