Lavery & Sharp?

[BushBlade]

I thought he was excellent v Peterborough and praised him for that. I thought he was superb in his first hal-season for us and praised him for that as well. But if it was my job on the line this season to get us out of this league would I rely on Done? Honestly no. Because he's never been a prolific scorer. The most he'd ever scored before his first season with us was 6. He's a midfielder by trade - who has had a bit of success in one season as a striker. We need proven strikers up front - that's my opinion. He can run around and work his socks off (which he does - and I appreciate the effort) but do you think defenders are scared when he's got the ball at feet? That's what we are missing and when we find that player you'll realise (maybe) what I'm on about.

Nothing against him or Sharpy - we don't have any other options at present but we should have soon.

According to wiki he scored 14 in 30 appearances in his last season at Rochdale before we bought him. I don't think he was playing as a striker before then, as you say, so his record is a bit skewed.

 

[bladesmanluke]

Matt Done has the weakest shot I've ever seen on a striker. That said, I'd always back him to score from 1-8 yards

 

[joshua thompson]

So to be clear Sharp does not contribute enough to the team but you would keep him in the side if he gets 20 goals ?

Oh and Lavery is our best striker ?



UTB

Exactly that. I dont feel he gives enough working for the team, but why would you keep out a player scoring 20+ goals a season.

 

[joshua thompson]

It's all about opinions but, can I ask, what have you based this on?

Personal opinion from when I have seen him play. He has the edge and unfortunate with injuries. He has pace, he has height, high work rate just needs to get into the swing of things and he will be off flying. His goal-scoring record may say otherwise, but he has been unfortunate in his career so far.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Exactly that. I dont feel he gives enough working for the team, but why would you keep out a player scoring 20+ goals a season.

K.

UTB

 

[super_pig]

Aye, fuck Billy Sharp. Apart from all those goals what else has he done? I hope I'm not too late in jumping on the bandwagon.....

anyone would think he's single handedly saved us from relegation or something.. err..hold on a minute

 

[super_pig]

Clarke has shown he can hold it up, he is strong and fairly quick. Also has a decent scoring record in this league.
Lavery is quick. So with the strikers we have I would say when fully fit Clarke will start, with the other 3 competing for one slot and offering options from the bench.

from what i've seen of clarke so far mate you need to put down the crack pipe

 

[Grecian2000]

Well, you should really take that up with the author, but you are misquoting both his words and meaning. He's saying any non-Bladey favourite might be getting some stick, not advocating that Billy should get some.

As this thread is still alive I'll respond then.

I neither thought he said, or suggested he said, that Sharp SHOULD be booed off every week.

He did say, and it's still bollocks, that if he wasn't a Blade he WOULD be booed off every week.
I am suggesting in the 54 years I've been going to BDTBL I have NEVER known a 1 goal in 2 striker booed off the pitch every week. As you appear to think it true, can you name said striker for me please?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Agree with Sharpe, he does not contribute enough in the game for me and never really has done for us, lost that bit of pace he had to get ahead and never jumps for ball instead goes for the defender. But, as you said he scores goals, so why take him out of the team if he scores 20 for us, penalty or in-game play, goals is what a striker is meant to get and be doing and 20 a season is no doubt something we need.

Id keep Sharp in the side so long he keeps scoring, a run of 3 games or more without a goal id take him out. When Lavery is fit, stick him up top as he is our best striker just problems with injuries, Clarke is a good utility for height and ideal for us and again can score goals and then done is for a brilliant player, never stops, high energy id personally play him and demote duffy to the bench as he can play on the wing also, or bring him on when defenders are tiring.

He’s only one game away from 3 without scoring so could be dropped on that basis. I don’t think Lavery will be starting league games until November though unless our hand is forced by injury.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Sharp has looked lethargic all season. Top-scorer; captain; penalty-taker; Blade. Doesn't matter. Suggesting he's struggling a bit is not some sort of football blasphemy..

Suggesting he’s not at his best is fine. Suggesting he is crap and should be dropped (even though we’ve not had a fit alternative) is rather silly.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Feel free to shout me down, but regardless of how he does at Bradford, even if he just remains match fit, I'd take McNulty back in Jan.

Him and Lavery are probably the only proven partnership we have to an extent. The rest are all strangers who have individual attributes but for whom none have really forged any great understanding.

They say strikers hunt better in packs.

As a duo, based on how they did as a pairing before, they could be The Best Bet. They might not be everyone's cup of tea individually but isn't Wilder about the whole being greater than the sum of its parts? Let's be fair the recent games and injuries have shown we would have benefited from having an additional fit striker.

People talk about how good their partnership was but didn’t they get something like 16-17 goals between them last season? In the division below? 2 strikers who scored less combined than Sharp on his own while Sharp was playing a division higher.

 

[Pinchy]

Actually it isn`t. Given your age you should have seen enough away games or read enough to know football fans are exactly the same irrespective of what club they support. The reason I know this,apart from having seen it countless times firsthand is that,and this might come as a shock to you,people in this country that follow a team are of exactly the same molecules,atoms,history,culture,basically the same DNA ;ipso facto they behave the same way.
If your point had any credibility it would be like me saying a bloke in Newcastle or Plymouth for example is fine with me boning his gert whereas in Sheffield he gets a monk on.

Is that really correct though Sean (not the last bit)? There are fans elsewhere that are far more vociferous in support of their team, Stoke and Newcastle are but two that spring to mind, than we are at BDTBL, and slower to turn on their own team too.

I tend to agree with Nick Jansky, and it is experience-based, that we have a section of particularly unpleasant individuals. I have seen and heard them at grounds across the country. Aggressive, self-entitled and obnoxious, and that's the best bits...

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Is that really correct though Sean (not the last bit)? There are fans elsewhere that are far more vociferous in support of their team, Stoke and Newcastle are but two that spring to mind, than we are at BDTBL, and slower to turn on their own team too.

I tend to agree with Nick Jansky, and it is experience-based, that we have a section of particularly unpleasant individuals. I have seen and heard them at grounds across the country. Aggressive, self-entitled and obnoxious, and that's the best bits...

Respect your opinion and can`t argue with what you`ve witnessed first hand. I`ve seen our fans turn out in huge numbers home and away to be let down way more than Stoke or Newcastle,(inflated sense of entitlement) since 1970 and a finer bunch I have never seen.
Neither Stoke nor Newcastle have real rivals and I think that is a big influence in the mindset. It would be like our nearest rivals being the scum. I haven`t seen Stoke turn on their tream YET,but then they`ve hugely overachieved for years. Newcastle fans abandoned them when they almost went down to Div 3 and with respect give their team pelters week in and week out if the result isn`t right. Don`t confuse turning up in stupid numbers with unequivacol backing on matchday.

 

[joshua thompson]

K.

UTB

Horrendous behaviour putting a "K". Everyone entitled to an opinion just you obviously think you know it all!

 

[Ricky]

Would love to see how vocal the Stoke fans would be after 6 years in L1 rather than 8 in the Premier League. Same goes for Crystal Palace and any of the others.

 

[joshua thompson]

He’s only one game away from 3 without scoring so could be dropped on that basis. I don’t think Lavery will be starting league games until November though unless our hand is forced by injury.

Well hopefully if he doesn't score soon then he should get the drop and a chance for another striker to get the goals, along with settle in the team.

And yes unfortunately Lavery looks like he will be out for a while but can't wait until he gets going.

 

[bartman]

Well hopefully if he doesn't score soon then he should get the drop and a chance for another striker to get the goals, along with settle in the team.

And yes unfortunately Lavery looks like he will be out for a while but can't wait until he gets going.

And if Done doesn't score next game should we drop him at the same time ?

 

[joshua thompson]

And if Done doesn't score next game should we drop him at the same time ?

"done is for a brilliant player, never stops, high energy"

No, not particularly at all. I would not say he is the type of goal-scoring forward and more of one that supports the front-line. He never gives the defender time on the ball, never stops running, always giving it his all and after the ball and that is something Sharpe lacks and the team needs hence why I said if Clarke or Lavery push into the team after the injury we should play him on the wing.

Done sets up goals and plays for the team, unlike Sharpe I feel does not, he is also quicker.

I would suggest dropping Sharpe if he does fail to score, for who I do not know we lack upfront at the minute with injuries and Mcnulty out on loan, our only options are Done and Sharpe. But, Sharpe needs a bit of motivation I feel, as he has been lacking this season so far, and dropping him would do that I believe, which was similar to what Adkins did last season, and he seemed to do more after then.

 

[bartman]

"done is for a brilliant player, never stops, high energy"

No, not particularly at all. I would not say he is the type of goal-scoring forward and more of one that supports the front-line. He never gives the defender time on the ball, never stops running, always giving it his all and after the ball and that is something Sharpe lacks and the team needs hence why I said if Clarke or Lavery push into the team after the injury we should play him on the wing.

Done sets up goals and plays for the team, unlike Sharpe I feel does not, he is also quicker.

I would suggest dropping Sharpe if he does fail to score, for who I do not know we lack upfront at the minute with injuries and Mcnulty out on loan, our only options are Done and Sharpe. But, Sharpe needs a bit of motivation I feel, as he has been lacking this season so far, and dropping him would do that I believe, which was similar to what Adkins did last season, and he seemed to do more after then.

Sharp doesn't play for the team ? Don't talk rubbish. He may not be in the best form but he does play for te team. Done's form has been just as poor if not worse than Sharp's and his performance against Walsall I'm the tinpot cup the the poorest in a team of poor performances..

Done us not a brillian player. His first touch and moventertainment and very poor for a front player. Yes he is quick and pressures defences but his link up player is way below the standards of Sharp and Clarke. Done has a role in the squad but he is a forward and like all forwarss their main job is to score goals and create them and nether of them have done this recently

 

[sheffielder]

We will need all 4 strikers, is there a need to bash any of them?

 

[Tyler Durden]

Who the fuck is this "Sharpe" character I keep hearing about?

No wonder the village folk have it in for Billy, they've been watching the wrong player all along.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Anyway, let's just hope that our Billy gets on the scoresheet this Saturday.

Because that will really piss some of you lot off won't it?

 

[coolhandluke]

Sharps a product of the Academy therefore he is shit .

Get with the programme boys and girls . If " it " comes from the academy " it " will fail .

Another McCabe inspired disaster

 

[bartman]

Sharps a product of the Academy therefore he is shit .

Get with the programme boys and girls . If " it " comes from the academy " it " will fail .

Another McCabe inspired disaster

We also need another scapegoat and Sharp appears to be the new victim

 

[joshua thompson]

Sharp doesn't play for the team ? Don't talk rubbish. He may not be in the best form but he does play for te team. Done's form has been just as poor if not worse than Sharp's and his performance against Walsall I'm the tinpot cup the the poorest in a team of poor performances..

Done us not a brillian player. His first touch and moventertainment and very poor for a front player. Yes he is quick and pressures defences but his link up player is way below the standards of Sharp and Clarke. Done has a role in the squad but he is a forward and like all forwarss their main job is to score goals and create them and nether of them have done this recently

I am not saying he does not contribute to the team fully, but I feel that his contribution compared to others is lacking. I personally think Done is a good player, nothing against him at all, he is direct and as I said has a good work rate and works hard, something we need in our side. I personally think the link up play with Clarke and Sharpe does not work, Clarke won all the headers but Sharpe was never getting on the end of them, as he is a poacher and not a player to run onto balls hence why it did not work and we did not score with that partnership up top.

Done's main point is forward yes correct, but he can play several positions like the wing and even at times last season wing back, which I felt worked with him there and is clearly more of a forward that provides goals then scores, and thats exactly what he is doing, providing and support Sharpe, his form is not bad, and seriously even thought its a tinpot cup and a competitive game, who cares about it, the view of our club in that cup for me is shameful and I hate that United is a part of it but thats down to us not getting out of this league.

Its all down to opinion at the end of the day, and I personally dont think that Sharpe is our best in the team, and has been lacking this season along with last even with his 20+ goals he scored, for example this year he has scored I believe 2 in play from 5? Now that is something that is a problem and needs noting, and simply not good enough. And yes your right they both have not scored enough recently, but the point is if they are not then drop them for a wake-up call, however I feel that Sharpe needs this especially compared to Done or others alike in the side.

It can be frustrating at times, how people say or support Sharpe simply because hes a local player and fan. But, for me he has never done enough for United and needs up his game which he is not, but cannot fault his passion for the club at all.

However, its clear we are going to need all our strikers this year, so hopefully we can get into the swing of things soon.

 

[Pinchy]

Done's main point is forward yes correct, but he can play several positions like the wing and even at times last season wing back, which I felt worked with him there...

Really? Not in any game that I saw. It was like playing with ten men...

 

[bartman]

, how people say or support Sharpe simply because hes a local player and fan. But, for me he has never done enough for United and needs up his game which he is not, but cannot fault his passion for the club at all.

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1. who has said they support Sharp just because he is a local player and fan ?

2. 'never done enough for United' - Did you miss last season ? Wasn't that enough ?

 

[joshua thompson]

1. who has said they support Sharp just because he is a local player and fan ?

2. 'never done enough for United' - Did you miss last season ? Wasn't that enough ?

Because it does come across as that perception, especially at the games as people seem more warmed towards Sharpe well from what I have seen anyway.

And yes he has not done enough for us, last season was his only season he did fairly okay. Again as I said before, he may have scored 20+ which is why you continue to play him, but his overall game of playing with the team I feel lacks, lost that extra yard of pace, unnecessarily goes in on players when not needed especially when going for air balls from goal-kicks etc. All he did last season was score really, and had the occasional good game, and scoring is exactly what we needed but if you remember he also got dropped by Adkins last season too, so was it really a good season for him?

Again, not getting at him but its a matter of personal opinion, and I feel that he has so much more to offer and to do for the team especially at this moment of time and this season.

 

[Jacopo]

Because it does come across as that perception, especially at the games as people seem more warmed towards Sharpe well from what I have seen anyway.

And yes he has not done enough for us, last season was his only season he did fairly okay. Again as I said before, he may have scored 20+ which is why you continue to play him, but his overall game of playing with the team I feel lacks, lost that extra yard of pace, unnecessarily goes in on players when not needed especially when going for air balls from goal-kicks etc. All he did last season was score really, and had the occasional good game, and scoring is exactly what we needed but if you remember he also got dropped by Adkins last season too, so was it really a good season for him?

Again, not getting at him but its a matter of personal opinion, and I feel that he has so much more to offer and to do for the team especially at this moment of time and this season.

Ban request: Continued use of 'Sharpe' over a series of posts. Tut tut.

 

[freddyp]

Ban request: Continued use of 'Sharpe' over a series of posts. Tut tut.

Billy Sharpe plays in a parallel universe. His team-mates include Mark MacNulty, Harry McGuire and Jay MacEverley. I'm sure you know others.