Lane not chosen so what happens re expansion plans

[Flatulent_Bob]

But that's the crux Dunc, if they are getting it all on handouts it does seem a little unfair.

Don't really have a problem with them getting a small grant but paying for it all?

What's the chances of Hillsborough being ditched for the next round? I can't see it.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

I wasn't really bothered about getting it if I'm honest. I'd rather we upgrade the ground gradually as/if we need to rather than having 10-20k empty seats every game (how shit would that be?).

Personally I'm more outraged that Milton Keynes has been chosen than the pigs getting it. Is there a town (and it is a town, not a city, despite what Milton Keynes council like to call it) with less football heritage in the whole country? I think I'd be less astonished if Hereford or Accrington had been chosen! The place is a dump; nothing but roundabouts, long straight dual-carriageways, retail parks and identikit houses (and err, concrete cows). There isn't even any decent pubs or even a highstreet! That's without even mentioning Franchise FC and Pete Winkledick. How the fuck did they manage to choose the least deserving place in the country?

And what the hell are Plymouth going to do with a 45k seater stadium? They only half fill a 19k stadium as it is, and they are probably alreadly punching above their weight.

Not sure I agree with Bristol being chosen either. The whole thing has been a farce.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

You just have to hope Lord Mawhinney continues to run the bid with his kind of logic.

 

[georgethecat]

Annoyed about this whole stitch up. Don't feel it is right that taxes/ public money etc might be used to support the redevelopment of Elland Road and Hillsbrough. Both Leeds & Wednesday have had high profile financial problems over the last decade, why should they be bailed out by the propect of 2018? DONT BACK THE BID!:thumbdown:

 

[Wards]

I just hope we can use some of this nonsense as motivation for a promotion push and really stick it down Wendy's throats. There'd be nowt better than to see us doing well in the Prem and laughing at the grunters from up above - World Cup or no World Cup.

 

[Darren]

I wasn't really bothered about getting it if I'm honest. I'd rather we upgrade the ground gradually as/if we need to rather than having 10-20k empty seats every game (how shit would that be?).

Personally I'm more outraged that Milton Keynes has been chosen than the pigs getting it. Is there a town (and it is a town, not a city, despite what Milton Keynes council like to call it) with less football heritage in the whole country? I think I'd be less astonished if Hereford or Accrington had been chosen! The place is a dump; nothing but roundabouts, long straight dual-carriageways, retail parks and identikit houses (and err, concrete cows). There isn't even any decent pubs or even a highstreet! That's without even mentioning Franchise FC and Pete Winkledick. How the fuck did they manage to choose the least deserving place in the country?

And what the hell are Plymouth going to do with a 45k seater stadium? They only half fill a 19k stadium as it is, and they are probably alreadly punching above their weight.

Not sure I agree with Bristol being chosen either. The whole thing has been a farce.

This all looks crazily unsustainable to me. What on earth do Plymouth, Bristol City and MK Dons need with stadiums that hold 30-45,000?, Or Forest with a stadium that holds 50,000. None of these clubs can hope, in any feasible scenario, to get attendances anywhere near those figures. Who is going to fund the building of these white elephants and in what world does expanding stadiums to this extent for the sake of 2-3 international games in 2018 make any sense whatsoever?

 

[JJ Sefton]

This all looks crazily unsustainable to me. What on earth do Plymouth, Bristol City and MK Dons need with stadiums that hold 30-45,000?, Or Forest with a stadium that holds 50,000. None of these clubs can hope, in any feasible scenario, to get attendances anywhere near those figures. Who is going to fund the building of these white elephants and in what world does expanding stadiums to this extent for the sake of 2-3 international games in 2018 make any sense whatsoever?

The example of Darlington should have all these sorts of clubs bricking it off the prospect of having the running costs of a big, mostly empty stadium hanging round their necks.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

The example of Darlington should have all these sorts of clubs bricking it off the prospect of having the running costs of a big, mostly empty stadium hanging round their necks.

That'll be a feeling very familiar to our porcine neighbours then!

 

[Worksop II]

yeah true but one of main men on F.A. Is on board of west ham and is a big west ham fan and he's bent as fook.

That may well be, but we also have a board member on FA Committees, including the ones around the National Team.

I would suspect our Turry is keeping a low profile this morning

 

[lenners]

That may well be, but we also have a board member on FA Committees, including the ones around the National Team.

I would suspect our Turry is keeping a low profile this morning

The Pie Man's been busy negotiating with Leeds for a date for that friendly.
As regards the overall situation, it'll be interesting to see whether any public money is involved in rebuilding stadiums and any self-respecting football fan should be dead against any tournament involving Milton Keynes.
That that club was chosen at all given its history says an awful lot about the people who run our game.

 

[the magic man]

To be fair, im with y'all on this. Balls to the grunters and their so called 'historic' ground. Its a dump. Lets hope KM uses this injustice to take us to bigger and better things. Lets get behind the lads and get us to the Prem. Chin up gang, its nearly christmas

 

[marshy]

Posted this on the Piggy site, but no-one seems capable of a decent response...

Has anyone considered for one moment how your redevelopment is going to be funded? Council funding for community projects maybe, but not 100% of the required cash. You don't have a pot to piss in and we all know how good LS is at dressing up proposals without actually delivering.

Well done for securing it and of course I'm a tad disappointed it wasn't United, however you could be setting yourselves up for a big fall. I hope for your sakes you get the investment required, otherwise I've heard nothing coming out of LS's gob other than the usual dressed up piss and wind.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Posted this on the Piggy site, but no-one seems capable of a decent response...

Give them a chance, Marshy, there's words of more than one syllable in there and their poor little trotters will have difficulty turning the pages of their dictionaries...

The truth of what you said might also be causing them some consternation.

 

[Worksop II]

We've missed out on the potential to house 3 low grade international fixtures in 9 years time. In return, we wont add tens of millions to our debt, developing the stadium into twice the size it needs to be.

Is it just me that couldn't give a fuck about this?

UTB

I have had a look at the way the SA2010 draw has panned out, and yes there are a couple of venues which do have "average" group games there, and do not get anything else after the Groups are over.

It turns out the Nations at those venues are Italy, France and Argentina.

I think you would turn out for those, then again the ticket prices would be £110, £82, £55 and no concessions

 

[the magic man]

Posted this on the Piggy site, but no-one seems capable of a decent response...

you should know that they are that blinkered and caught up in Strapons hype that they can't see the wood for the trees. Balls to em says I!

 

[Coily]

you should know that they are that blinkered and caught up in Strapons hype that they can't see the wood for the trees. Balls to em says I!

That's as maybe, but they also appear to me to be much more willing to support whatever their club is doing, whereas we seem to have a large and vocal proportion of supporters who delight in critisising United and everything about them at any given opportunity.

 

[Robbie]

That's as maybe, but they also appear to me to be much more willing to support whatever their club is doing, whereas we seem to have a large and vocal proportion of supporters who delight in critisising United and everything about them at any given opportunity.

You're obviously not reading much from their boards then.

Before today it was all doom and gloom. Also when Laws was in charge it was even worse.

 

[Paulus]

Does anyone have a link for the South Stand expansion plans - I saw them somewhere a while back but I can't find them - thanks

 

[Robbie]

Ignore....

 

[sitwell]

To be honest I would probably go to a couple of World cup games ,but they certainly wouldn't be at that shithole. It would be a good excuse for a few nights out in Plymouth or London.
This £300 million that Sheffield Wendy Council are bleating on about ,can someone explain to me why 300 million would be spent in Sheffield because of 2 games of football.

 

[Bramley]

That'll be a feeling very familiar to our porcine neighbours then!

Don't worry, apparently Hillsborough Pensioner's Association and the other community groups will be rustling up the £20m to pay for it!

 

[Jon Bon]

Does anyone have a link for the South Stand expansion plans - I saw them somewhere a while back but I can't find them - thanks

http://planningdocs.sheffield.gov.uk/WAM/findCaseFile.do?action=show&appName=planning&appNumber=09/02488/OUT

 

[Paulus]

To be honest I would probably go to a couple of World cup games ,but they certainly wouldn't be at that shithole. It would be a good excuse for a few nights out in Plymouth or London.
This £300 million that Sheffield Wendy Council are bleating on about ,can someone explain to me why 300 million would be spent in Sheffield because of 2 games of football.

Perfectly straightforward, 40000 seats at pigsville X 2 = 80000. £300,000,000/80,000 = £3750, we now know the ticket prices:thumbup: In other words a load of owd bollox like most financial benefits estimates in the public sector.

 

[Eskimo]

We are of course very biased but I must say I was amazed that the big blue skip had been given the nod over bdtbl. Some of you will recall that at the time of Tevez enquiry debacle we had fun remonstrating and asking awkward questions of Scudamore For example Dave Richards position. As chairman of the FA Premier League, chairman of the Football Foundation, an FA Board Director and vice-chairman of The FA International committee what is the nature of his involvement with a club whose dilapidated ground and insecure financial position has been selected in front of better facilities with superior access locally? Who would you put this question to? By the way I looked up his responsibilities on wikipedia - have a look for a laugh - it wasn't me! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Richards

 

[Paulus]

http://planningdocs.sheffield.gov.uk/WAM/findCaseFile.do?action=show&appName=planning&appNumber=09/02488/OUT

Thanks very much - I couldn't work out how to use the search facility without the planning application number

 

[de g.]

I reckon this could be the dollop of mud which finally breaks the piggy's back, to be honest. They're still desperately trying to find investors or a buyer, and now they've a perverse situation where the club doesn't just need to find £20m or so to bring down the debt to a manageable level, they've also got to find another £10m or so to bring the ground up to WC standard. And what for? A stadium which, for the vast majority of its competitive fixtures, is likely to be 40% empty. And unlike us, they don't have the assets to provide a non-football income stream - indeed, the training ground, their only real asset away from the stadium itself is a greenfield site and, for various good planning reasons, effectviely undevelopable in the short to medium term.

This is actually in our favour. We've got our planning permissions now, and they can easily be kept alive if we should decide now isn't quite the right time to increase capacity. We can continue to build sustainably from within and living within our means. Longer term, the increased capacity provides an opportunity for the club to reduce prices to build the next generation of blades fans. If we seek to maximise revenue, 26,000 @ (say) £20 average brings in the same amount as 40,000 @ £13 average - taking us based on 2009/10 attendances from 15th best supported club in the PL/FL to 7th. Now, I'm well aware that the economics aren't that simple but it's still not outside the bounds of possibility - Bradford added 5000 (57%) to their average gate by halving season ticket sales.

Onwards and upwards - lets concentrate on making SUFC the top team in Yorkshire, and sod the rest. I'd rather have our positive future than trade it for anything Wendy has to offer.

 

[SwissBlade]

A day for this to sink in after my comments of yesterday, so here's my thoughts in hindsight... the following comments are written in Irish...

feck 2018, feck 2022, feck the bid, feck the world cup, feck Dave Richards, feck Strap on, feck his gastric band, feck Hillsborough, feck corruption, feck the FA 2018 selection committee, feck the star, feck the flooding in Hillsborough, feck their flimsy plans, feck their laughable community project, feck the blades OS, feck the womens football and back the bid bollocks.

Back to english....Bollocks to everything that isn't making United money or isn't pushing us forward on the field. Nothing else matters.

Up the Blades, come on McCabe, lets get some players in on permanent contracts, lets make a commitment to go for automatic promotion at tomorrows AGM and stick to it. 2018 means feck all its now that we need to worry about. If we can fill a 45,000 capacity ground week in week out by 2018 then lets build it slowly, if not then we've lost nothing.

Lets show these knobheads that we were a more able bidder and our promises were real because we're a bigger and better football club.

We'll be around in 2018, Wednesday will be wearing the Blue and white stripes of Tescos.

 

[madeinsheffield]

To be honest I would probably go to a couple of World cup games ,but they certainly wouldn't be at that shithole. It would be a good excuse for a few nights out in Plymouth or London.
This £300 million that Sheffield Wendy Council are bleating on about ,can someone explain to me why 300 million would be spent in Sheffield because of 2 games of football.

Does this mean all us Sheffield Council Tax payers will be paying for the shithole to be modernised until the end of time????

 

[Worksop II]

Does this mean all us Sheffield Council Tax payers will be paying for the shithole to be modernised until the end of time????

Yep, and you are on your own

 

[Grecian2000]

The fact we have been overlooked really doesn't mean a damn to me as I can't see the point in a 44k seater stadium that we would never fill.

However, the fact that The Sty, with its delapidation and laughable state has been chosen is nothing short of ludicrous. The place, the club and its pathetic Chairman are nothing but a joke and for it to represent Sheffield in a World Cup would be like Peter Stringfellow representing us in a WBC Heavyweight Championship fight.

Did the "bid team" actually come to Sheffield? What the fuck did they look at? Unbelievable!

PS. The fact that Milton Keynes is also in the bid suggests a comedy genius at work somewhere in the background.