Lane not chosen so what happens re expansion plans

[happyhippy]

I can just see it now. The final stage of the bidding process, and the England presentation ends with an old fashioned drawing of the curtains on screen. Then John Cleese, resplendent with bandaged head, bursts through doing the 'funny walk' and yelling "End ze Germans vill be sent to Stalag Mil-ton Keenzy ...... TO DIE!!!!!!"

It think that would sum it up nicely.

 

[Guesty]

So Hillsborough has been chosen and Bramall Lane hasn't. There will now follow several stages.

1. The bid goes no further. England doesn't get the World Cup. Strafford breathes massive sigh of relief, as he won't need to find a massive wedge to spend on his shithole. Hillsborough stagnates.

They won't have to pay for it will they?

 

[Casper]

The fact we have been overlooked really doesn't mean a damn to me as I can't see the point in a 44k seater stadium that we would never fill.

However, the fact that The Sty, with its delapidation and laughable state has been chosen is nothing short of ludicrous. The place, the club and its pathetic Chairman are nothing but a joke and for it to represent Sheffield in a World Cup would be like Peter Stringfellow representing us in a WBC Heavyweight Championship fight.

Did the "bid team" actually come to Sheffield? What the fuck did they look at? Unbelievable!

PS. The fact that Milton Keynes is also in the bid suggests a comedy genius at work somewhere in the background.

Don't get me started about Milton F**kin Keynes. They stole a football club and i dont accept the bull about finances. How many other clubs have had ground and financial difficulties? I firmly believe that if it had been any other club other than Wimbledon (certainly in the top 2 divisions) then there is no way this would have been allowed to happen. I really felt for the Wimbledon fans at the time. AFC Wimbledon are my 2nd team :thumbup:

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Dispise the club but it's a very nice ground and all it needs is seats installed in the top tier and it'll be one of the best in the country! Very impressed.

 

[grafikhaus]

My last words...

 

[ghandi]

They won't have to pay for it will they?

I'm pretty certain they will have to find at least 75% of the cost otherwise every city/club in England would have applied as a way of getting improvements for practically nothing. The FA can't afford to pay for all the grounds to be built/upgraded.

The only way I think the City Council can push any significant amount of money at the rustbucket is by purchasing it and then leasing it back to the pigs which wouldn't be a clever thing to do politically or financially whilst cutting services in other areas.

 

[Jon Bon]

My last words...

Fantastic! :thumbup:

Please will you post it big enough to be made into wallpaper for the PC?

 

[grafikhaus]

At the risk of busting Linz's template...

Anyway, right click anywhere on your desktop and choose Properties. Pick the 'Desktop' tab, browse to the image and choose 'Position...Stretch'

 

[TAMUS]

Seth just been about Swillsbro being a safe option for FIFA as the reason, what a short memory.

 

[Greg.]

Been laughing at some posts by someone on another football forum:

But they have a better stadium then you guys, so what can you do about it? Just be glad there will be a World Cup game in Sheffield that you can go and watch.

You cant hold that against them though, that was an unfortunate accident, a freak event that hopefully wont happen again. I'm sure its safe. Its also a great ground with great tradition so theres no reason why it shouldn't be used.

Look mate I understand that but given a choice between Bramall Lane and Hillsborough it was always going to be Hillsborough. Hillsborough has a greater tradition, forget the tragedy that has nothing to do with this. Fact is its a great ground with a rich history and a famous ground too as it used to host lots of the FA Cup matches when they played at neutral venues in the latter stages. Just be glad you might be getting to see World Cup football in your city man.

I'm sure if they are broke they will get help to make the improvements needed otherwise it wont be any advantage for them to host World Cup games. And imagine the amount of revenue they will generate from this, it can only be a good thing for Sheffield. As for your last paragraph, you say that now but I bet you wouldnt be able to resist buying tickets to go watch a World Cup game at Hillsborough.

Well i'm afraid thats the way it works mate, the bigger team will always have the more likely chance of hosting World Cup games at their ground. You only dislike it so much because you support a rival team. Plus Hillsborough is a better ground IMO, and if you asked most people around the world to name a famous ground in Sheffield most would say Hillsborough too so it makes sense that they are the chosen ones.

and then he announces:

No I havent been to both grounds, I am basing it on the fact its a bigger ground and looks nicer too, I have no idea about the facilities or which one has the better toilets or sells the best hotdogs but i'm sure Hillsborough is up to standard if its being chosen to host World Cup games. It may need improving, but like I said i'm sure they would get help for that and would be ready to host games by 2018.

:blink:

 

[Casper]

Been laughing at some posts by someone on another football forum:

and then he announces:

:blink:

hahahahahahahah, this isnt that Lord Mawwhatsisname is it

 

[alcoblade]

I have had a look at the way the SA2010 draw has panned out, and yes there are a couple of venues which do have "average" group games there, and do not get anything else after the Groups are over.

It turns out the Nations at those venues are Italy, France and Argentina.

I think you would turn out for those, then again the ticket prices would be £110, £82, £55 and no concessions

I wont be turning up for any match at Swillsborough, and I wouldn't have attended at BDTBL at those prices.

My point is that they can host the games wherever they want, including The Lane. I'm not interested in the venue. I want The Lane to remain a place that's right for Sheffield United on a run of the mill Saturday afternoon. I've become convinced that McCabe has his heart set on stadium development, and was using the World cup to justify it. Now we can do it when weekly demand dictates it, which I'm all for.

 

[Paulus]

I wont be turning up for any match at Swillsborough, and I wouldn't have attended at BDTBL at those prices.

My point is that they can host the games wherever they want, including The Lane. I'm not interested in the venue. I want The Lane to remain a place that's right for Sheffield United on a run of the mill Saturday afternoon. I've become convinced that McCabe has his heart set on stadium development, and was using the World cup to justify it. Now we can do it when weekly demand dictates it, which I'm all for.

I think that is a very fair position to take but I can only assume that the reason McCabe has been so up for this and ahead of the game was that he must have believed that there was a chance that someone other than Sheffield United would pick up at least part of the bill. Having failed in the bidding process I very much doubt that the South Stand development will take place. I hope the Kop plans will go ahead because the club needs to improve the view by removing the pillars and the back of stand facilities. Not for an odd sodding match that may or may not happen but because it would improve the lot of Blades fans in the here and now.

 

[shorehamview]

What it essentially boils down to is that we've lost the chance to potentially have four and a half hours of World Cup football at the Lane. Now between all members of this forum that's less time than we spent shitting this week. I will dedicate more time this year to riding the porcelain horse than Hillsborough will dedicate to international football between now and the end of time.

And as far as going to watch a match at Hillsborough goes, then I won't be going. I was offered a free ticket for Euro 96, and I turned it down. I have been offered tickets in the away end, by mates supporting whoever were at Hillsborough that day, and I turned them down. There's only one team I'll go to Hillsborough to watch, and that's Sheffield United. I won't spend a penny in their ground, I won't even go to any functions there. Even if it turns into the nicest, shiniest stadium in the world it'll still be the shithole that houses the scum, and I'll only be there in my capacity as a Blade.

 

[Bladesman]

Well we look very bitter on this thread even though the points raised are valid.

In other news we want to question the FA and have a good go at them.

Tell us why Bramall Lane was overlooked

SHEFFIELD United will seek urgent talks with the Football Association and leaders of the city's World Cup 2018 campaign to confirm why Bramall Lane was overlooked as a potential tournament venue in favour of Hillsborough.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/blades/Tell-us-why-Bramall-Lane.5919460.jp

 

[SwissBlade]

Are we not allowed to be bitter? I'll happily be bitter after this weeks shambles

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Well we look very bitter on this thread even though the points raised are valid.

In other news we want to question the FA and have a good go at them.



http://www.thestar.co.uk/blades/Tell-us-why-Bramall-Lane.5919460.jp

Derby must look totally deranged then; because their local paper has published the office and home number of Mawhinney, the club have demanded a detailed explanation from the FA of why Nottingham was chosen over them and they are openly suggesting that the three main CCC clubs that were backing the PL2 campaign against Mawhinney's wishes, namely Leicester, Derby and Sheffield United, have all suspiciously been dropped from the bid!

Similar things are coming out of Leicester!!

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Derby must look totally deranged then; because their local paper has published the office and home number of Mawhinney, the club have demanded a detailed explanation from the FA of why Nottingham was chosen over them and they are openly suggesting that the three main CCC clubs that were backing the PL2 campaign against Mawhinney's wishes, namely Leicester, Derby and Sheffield United, have all suspiciously been dropped from the bid!

Similar things are coming out of Leicester!!

Mawhinney is a pillock!

Is it not he that was Minister of Sport for the Conservatives many years ago?

Why would he not want a two-tier PL anyway?

 

[LouTheBlade]

The reason Mahwinney doesnt want a PL2 is because it would be independent - there would no longer be promotion or relegation between PL and Championship. Any new teams wanting to be promoted to PL2 would have to stand for election to it. Also any teams in PL2 that consistently struggle would have to be re-elected. That's my understanding of how it would work anyway. That would have a detrimental effect long term on the football league.

I wouldnt get too excited yet as FIFA have the final say on venues. These are only proposed venues by the FA and since when have FIFA ever agreed with the FA.

I doubt we will get the world cup anyway so its going to be a waste of time arguing over it anyway. The whole thing is a complete farce. You have Bramall Lane, Pride Park and The Walker's among others - all existing and fabulous modern stadia. Yet they would rather have a tired and dicrepid Hillsborough, a Bristol City stadium that hasnt been built yet (or had the first brick layed) and a lego stadium for a League One side.

Just laugh, its another FA cock-up. I was holding my sides when I saw it on the news.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

You could be right about the WC but I guess we'll have to wait and see. I must that the whole package seems very strange.

The Premier League will get their way in the end - they'll just go franchise eventually

 

[Guesty]

Been laughing at some posts by someone on another football forum:











and then he announces:



:blink:

That's me he was arguing with! (greasychipbutty on there)

 

[Sothall_Blade]

The reason Mahwinney doesnt want a PL2 is because it would be independent - there would no longer be promotion or relegation between PL and Championship. Any new teams wanting to be promoted to PL2 would have to stand for election to it. Also any teams in PL2 that consistently struggle would have to be re-elected. That's my understanding of how it would work anyway. That would have a detrimental effect long term on the football league.

If this is true then Mahwinney is spot on to be fighting against a "closed shop" Premier League and I for one would be disgusted if United are in favour of it! Promotion and relegation are the lifeblood of competitive football and this "applying for re-election" nonsense would set the game back about 20 years.

Where did you see this reported by the way?

 

[LouTheBlade]

If this is true then Mahwinney is spot on to be fighting against a "closed shop" Premier League and I for one would be disgusted if United are in favour of it! Promotion and relegation are the lifeblood of competitive football and this "applying for re-election" nonsense would set the game back about 20 years.

You probably have a good point and I agree promotion and relegation does keep the competitive aspect alive. I do however think it would have a positive effect on the financial aspect of the game. OK so the teams stuck in the Football League wouldn't get the big TV revenue and prize money but think about it.....

No longer would PL sides have the fear of getting relegated with massive wage bills and losing the top flight income. Also Championship sides wouldn't spend themselves into debt trying to get there and ultimately going bust as a result. Makes financial sense to a lot of clubs. Thats the one argument for it I think.

I got this information discussing it with various people mostly family and friends - a couple of whom are in the game. So its from good sources I promise. I think that's the concept anyway. If its going to happen it would have to be done that way anyway otherwise there would be no point having a PL2.

 

[shorehamview]

Bitter? Perhaps. Jealous? Maybe. Frustrated? You bet your sweet patooey. The only reasons I can see for them picking Bristol, Plymouth and Milton Keynes is that one is in the west, one right down south and one in the middle. And that's about all they have got to recommend them. Yes, they'll get a big lovely stadium, but will it end up like the Bird's Nest in Beijing? That's the Olympic one in case you were wondering. The one that since the Olympics has hosted two events. Two. An opera and an Italian football match.
Will Bristol, Plymouth and Milton Keynes struggle to fill theirs regularly? Well, what do you think? Is a pig's arse pork?

And as far as Hillsborough being more suitable than Bramall Lane, then perhaps if I try to be impartial then it might be true. It's true that it's got better transport links, because when the Labour council replanned the city they decided that parts of the city with a history of voting Conservative didn't really need any nice trams, or dual carriageways, or new roads out to Ecclesall, Dore, Totley or nearby. It didn't matter that not everybody voted Conservative, if you lived in or even had the cheek to be near a Conservative ward then it served you right.
It also might not help us that Bramall Lane is in the back streets, but it doesn't really need a tram because it's not eleventy three miles form the city centre.
Bramall Lane isn't a shithole that floods, and hasn't witnessed one of the greatest sporting tragedies of our time, so perhaps that helped to decide in Hillsborough's favour - "Come and see the high water mark, and the memorial to them dead folks. Get your replica lifejacket while you can."

Bitter? Possibly. But not compared to how I will feel if a single penny of my council tax goes towards paying for the pigs to get a shiny new sty. There'll be some protesting if that happens. I also hope that if Wednesday have to pay out lots of money then the cost will be too much and totally break them. A shiny new stadium with nobody to play in it would serve them right.

And I've also got a great idea for the Official World Cup Song.

Altogether now, "You can shove your fucking World Cup up your arse!"

 

[Compound_Legend]

And I've also got a great idea for the Official World Cup Song.

Altogether now, "You can shove your fucking World Cup up your arse!"

Tell you what,let's sing that song for 90 minutes at Hillsborough in April to really piss 'em off.That,the garden shed song ("my garden shed! Is better than this!My garden shed is better than this!It's got a door,and a window..."),and "what a fuckin' shitty ground!"

Remember...

Dane - Whitehouse
Eddystone - Lighthouse
Hillsborough - Shithouse

 

[GoldCoast Blade]

Can a club in administration recieve grants to host games for the world cup ?
Just a thought

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Can a club in administration recieve grants to host games for the world cup ?
Just a thought

We'll have to see what Father Christmas brings won't we?

 

[de g.]

Can a club in administration recieve grants to host games for the world cup ?
Just a thought

Wednesday aren't going into administration. It's not in the interests of their single biggest creditor, and since they cannot get 75% of creditors to agree without them, administration is not on the horizon.

http://www.sheff-utd.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=16402

 

[lenners]

They aren't going into administration but it isn't necessarily up to the bank.
Any creditor can apply to put the club into admin if they don't get their bills paid.
In reality the bank would pull out the stops to ensure that doesn't happen although if they foresee an immediate pre-pack buyout, which sees a good chunk of their money paid off, they might go for it.

 

[beightonblade]

The bank is in control at the sty ........thats for certain.