Kop Chavs

[Crabstick]

Two hours maroon’d amidst youths whose tongues flap looser than a tavern door in tempestuous weather.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Fair points made , suppose the difference is that whilst back in the day we were obnoxious at football matches and still can be admittedly , us old uns turned it off when back at school , college or on public transport.

Some of these today dont have those boundaries , for some its just how they are .

True, I've heard great things about the hooligans of yesteryear, their class, boundary setting and ability to turn it off.

Even if this were true, it's you old uns that have voted to cut youth services, social services, education, benefits etc and destroyed the country. Shouldn't be surprising that society has begun to dip.

 

[Flumps]

I mean I think you're right to think these lads are twats but similarly what do you expect at the back of the Kop?

You've got two options, move lower down the Kop or to a more family friendly area OR join in. Spend 9k on one of those spiffing little stone Island tracksuit things where you get the shorts with the badge, watch Football Factory, Green Street or anything with Danny Dyer as often as you can, source yourself a couple of cheap bags and enjoy!

 

[Chimpan-A]

“… a poor player who struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing”.

Describes some of our recruitment over summer quite well.

 

[Trigger Blade]

“… a poor player who struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing”.

Describes some of our recruitment over summer quite well.

Best description of Shoutbox I’ve ever heard

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

To be fair, the lad just near me did indeed cry out "a vape, a vape, my kingdom for a vape" before blowing it my way so not without class.

 

[The Fox]

True, I've heard great things about the hooligans of yesteryear, their class, boundary setting and ability to turn it off.

Even if this were true, it's you old uns that have voted to cut youth services, social services, education, benefits etc and destroyed the country. Shouldn't be surprising that society has begun to dip.

To be honest the young uns on the kop aren't hooligans , just a bit boisterous and nothing wrong with that in a football ground where youd expect it . ( I.e not the family stand for example)

I dont know either who voted for what, then again most of learnt the time and a place for being a twat by our parents not at school or by some council worker.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Thanks for your response. I just struggle with young chaps who have spent 11yrs in the education system and then can't string two words together without swearing. It beggars belief. Not sure whether that's a parental issue, down to the school or just a society that's very slowly becoming more and more uneducated. It didn't particularly spoil my evening. I was shocked than anything else especially when a lot of them spent virtually the whole of the first half with their backs to the pitch chatting with their mates. No wonder the atmosphere is flat a lot of the time. I think next year i'll move to the South Stand. A little bit more refined maybe!

If you come midway down the Kop its all very civilised. Too civilised for my liking in all honesty. About 1 in 20 show any signs of getting involved with a chant during a match.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Get yourself over to South Stand block A mate, we have re-enactments of Alan Ayckbourn’s most famous plays at half time…..proper entertainment.

Next home game H Block are doing A Clockwork Orange.

 

[Boxer Blade]

Who's Shakespear?

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Who's Shakespear?

I'm Shakespear!

 

[Gimli]

Thanks for your response. I just struggle with young chaps who have spent 11yrs in the education system and then can't string two words together without swearing. It beggars belief. Not sure whether that's a parental issue, down to the school or just a society that's very slowly becoming more and more uneducated. It didn't particularly spoil my evening. I was shocked than anything else especially when a lot of them spent virtually the whole of the first half with their backs to the pitch chatting with their mates. No wonder the atmosphere is flat a lot of the time. I think next year i'll move to the South Stand. A little bit more refined maybe!

Don’t forget the Werther’s!

 

[dexter101]

Most of the worst language I have heard at BDTBL was from those over 50!

Youngsters always tend to over do bad language, I guess because its still novel and exciting and a bit of a sense of rebellion. They will learn theres a time and a place and to be fair, back of the Kop is probably a place for it. Good on them for coming out on a cold night. better than empty seats.

Reminds me of taking my kids to that playground in city centre (pounds park?) last winter, some school kids were there, not causing any harm, one of the girls shouted to her mates "my fanny's freezing", I had to turn away as it made me chuckle.

 

[Pintor75]

I'd move if I were you CTB, if you spend the next few months in there it could be The winter of your discontent!

 

[Badger Blade]

What you're describing is something I think this "great country of ours" needs to do more of. Get kids off the street and into sport, whether from a spectator point of view or participation. I'm not going to pretend I know the group or observed the group you're talking about, I didn't. However, they've clearly purchased their ticket legally, contributed to the club we all love and hopefully got some enjoyment out of the match or at least got some enjoyment out the evening with their mates. I've been to a few matches recently where I've had plenty of young'ns around me and sometimes wondered if they're here to support the team or just because it's something to do, but really, either way, it's good they're there and not loitering on some street corner with fuck all to hold dear except weed or Andrew Tate TikTok videos.

I think this is key - far better for them to be out in the fresh air watching or playing sport than being sat on their games consoles necking Monster Energy, frittering away their allowances on McFlurries or intimidating pensioners at the local precinct.

Even at Ossett United who are my local non league side, there's a hardy gang of teenagers who turn up most weeks, only costs them £2.50 to get in but they could be doing something a lot worse than some others their age who are out causing bother to people in the bus station, vandalising property or whatever else some of the others get up to who probably have no interests or anything to focus their minds on.

My son is nearly 6 and is obsessive with watching and playing sport, especially football but enjoys rugby, cricket, golf, ice hockey, loves coming to the Lane or to Belle Vue for rugby, he went to Wembley in May and will sit and take it all in.

If I have my way, it'll stay like that!

 

[nopigfansintown]

The irony here being that Shakespeare tailored his writing to be inclusive of the 'Chavs' (stinkards or penny stinkards) with his theatre having its own standing Kop for the "groundlings" who were rather more naughty than the kids at the back of our kop.

On the way to or from you could watch and gamble on the bear baiting, cock fighting or visit one of the numerous brothels or taverns in the area. Elizabethan and Jacobean theatre was more 'chavtastic' than football in 2025 and was continually threatened with closure

You should've paid the extra two pennies for the cushion and seat well away from the groundling and asked old Bill to cut out the lowest common denominator stuff.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Shakespeare's a twat

 

[Lane Ender]

If you sit on the Kop surely you expect this
Back in the day that age group used to stand at the top of the Shoreham,John St West or if you could get on the Lane End if you wanted a quiet time stand with the old codgers on the terrace or the front of the Kop

 

[SB_90]

I am going to hazard a guess that the people that the OP describes are the same people that were causing the Kop overcrowding a few years back

well i remember the blackburn away 2021. that was ridiclous dangerous cause by people who decide they were going to shove 12 people into 6 person row & to hell with anyone else

 

[The Crab]

If you come midway down the Kop its all very civilised. Too civilised for my liking in all honesty. About 1 in 20 show any signs of getting involved with a chant during a match.

Having experienced the legroom of the kop seats many times, one might struggle to summon up a chant or a song when one is experiencing the equivalent of a punishment beating with hammers.

You may get a regular cry of arrrrrrgh my fucking knees…

 

[Tray]

I'm Shakespear!

I'm Shakespear and so's my wife.

 

[nopigfansintown]

If you sit on the Kop surely you expect this
Back in the day that age group used to stand at the top of the Shoreham,John St West or if you could get on the Lane End if you wanted a quiet time stand with the old codgers on the terrace or the front of the Kop

Isn't it the precise opposite to the OP that is the issue? That the noise, colour, edge and at times crassness is being taken out of the game and the crowd?That the nature of the football crowd and general experience has morphed into a more dull, sterile, dare I say it middle class friendly pursuit that is increasingly alien to what made it exciting in the first place?! Just a thought from an uncouth kop dwelling chav.

 

[Rhyll Grease]

I'd move if I were you CTB, if you spend the next few months in there it could be The winter of your discontent!

No, stay put! It will be made glorious summer by this son of Yorkshire, Chris Wilder....

 

[jt64]

Isn't it the precise opposite to the OP that is the issue? That the noise, colour, edge and at times crassness is being taken out of the game and the crowd?That the nature of the football crowd and general experience has morphed into a more dull, sterile, dare I say it middle class friendly pursuit that is increasingly alien to what made it exciting in the first place?! Just a thought from an uncouth kop dwelling chav.

I think most would argue there's a slight difference between a good football atmosphere and people being twats

 

[Gimli]

Entry to the South Stand is only allowed upon the production of a GCSE Certificate (or O Level equivalent) with at least a C in English Literature

 

[nopigfansintown]

I think most would argue there's a slight difference between a good football atmosphere and people being twats

I think twattery has always been an ever present, even encouraged and accepted thing at football matches, and that it has reduced substantially in the last 30 years. The social and moral mores of the day have never been that well exhibited at football matches.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Entry to the South Stand is only allowed upon the production of a GCSE Certificate (or O Level equivalent) with at least a C in English Literature

Worst Haiku ever.

 

[Gimli]

Worst Haiku ever.

I need to move seats
Too much swearing on the Kop
Give us a Werther’s

 

[dexter101]

Having experienced the legroom of the kop seats many times, one might struggle to summon up a chant or a song when one is experiencing the equivalent of a punishment beating with hammers.

You may get a regular cry of arrrrrrgh my fucking knees…

Its so us folk who are the height of Shakespearean actors can sit in comfort whilst you lanky fcukers go and stand at the back.

 

[Snowflake]

Thanks for your response. I just struggle with young chaps who have spent 11yrs in the education system and then can't string two words together without swearing. It beggars belief. Not sure whether that's a parental issue, down to the school or just a society that's very slowly becoming more and more uneducated. It didn't particularly spoil my evening. I was shocked than anything else especially when a lot of them spent virtually the whole of the first half with their backs to the pitch chatting with their mates. No wonder the atmosphere is flat a lot of the time. I think next year i'll move to the South Stand. A little bit more refined maybe!

I sit in the SS and cannot remember seeing any Shakespearian tomes, but if I brought one in to read during the match I might get bard.
On a more serious point the use of the “f” word is right across all spectra of the community, many of whom are very well educated. Just watch a range of tv programmes.
I don’t like it but things change and it doesn’t spoil my enjoyment of the match.