Kevin McCabe on David Brooks

[georgebernardshaw]

No, believe me I did. Think otherwise if you like, just don't tell me how or why I think

Which leaves me with two options:

1. You didn't think
2. You did think, but it didn't quite work out

That's the difference with a forum, it's instantaneous...

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

We're not trying to buy Leonard, we're trying to steal him. If it was just a case of buying him we'd have offered £1m and Southend would have rolled over. But we're trying to get him on the cheap. That takes time and effort.

I thought we were offering what Wilder considered he was worth,love Andy giddings to ask Wilder in his next interveiw why he was trying to steal Leonard from Southend.

But i get your point BB.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Speaking for everyone again are we Matthew? Here's me thinking fans would be interested in the chairman's stance on selling/not selling arguably the club's prized asset

Looks pretty evident to me that a fair few people are saying the same thing of their own volition Daniel.

 

[stringer]

But you've already said this is an old article which means Brooks wasn't at that time the clubs prize assett.
I'd say you're attention seeking more than shit stirring.
We've heard this mantra from McCabe a thousand times.

He'd just come back from the Toulon Tournament with a winner's medal around his neck and the player of the competition award under his arm, so I'd argue he was. What's attention seeking about relaying what McCabe has said about a player that many are worried will be sold? What's the saying about shooting the messenger?

 

[Maidenhead]

I gather we all don't want to sell Brooks but if we did sell him we'd want a proper fee for potentially a top four player, he's that good.

What I want to pick up on though is this trait of seeing people slag each other off on here regards McCabe in particular.

What those on the so called pro McCabe side need to realise is that the so called anti McCabe side want the best for the Blades, in either receiving a proper fee for a certain player or being ambitious and keeping said player to help us rise the leagues so we can earn more money as a club through a lot of other avenues.

On the flipside the anti McCabe side need to realise he won't be here long and will still be looking to recoup some of his losses from mostly his own diabolical decisions admittedly, one being Robson, so whilst he's still here expect things like sales of our young talent to keep happening.

I'd be as gutted as anyone if Brooks was sold but I personally think that in McCabes' position it's inevitable unfortunately. I really hope I'm proved wrong for all our sakes.

You obviously don't understand it as well as you think.

He has more chance of winning the Champions League than he has recouping his losses.

In fact come to think of it, winning the Champions League is probably the only chance has of recouping any of his losses.

If you had said the he needs to manage his present and future financial commit to SUFC then I would have been inclined to agree with you.

As an aside, you say he won't be here long.

Do you know something we don't?

For the record I support SUFC.

Not the chairman for the time being, not the players for the time being, but SUFC for my lifetime.

 

[blade too long]

This close season when we have 2 Multi Millionaires the GCI aint appearing, if we were in the PL McCabe would have trouble spending the money.

Udders have done £40million so far this close Season, Leicester have done £20million with another £40million on the Table for Sigurdson from Swansea

McCabe would need oxygen to to read those numbers, he just aint gonna do it, its not in his nature

thing is huddersfields been given what they are spending , the championship arent throwing money at us

 

[stringer]

Which leaves me with two options:

1. You didn't think
2. You did think, but it didn't quite work out

That's the difference with a forum, it's instantaneous...

Or 3) I relayed what KMc has said about the club's prized asset's future. Fairly interesting I'd have thought. Hence a ten page thread. But each to their own

 

[Maidenhead]

Just have a word with the Southend chairman he will tell you how you avoid selling players to clubs in the next league above you.

That could come back to bite you on the butt

 

[BushBlade]

Well, where to begin?...
I've been to a number of events with Mr McCabe down the years, in which he has talked about his vision for United. This vision ineluctably leads him to academy players playing the key role in the Blades regeneration. Or to be more precise: academy players starring in the first team being the route to on field success for the Blades. Have we seen this over the last decade? I'd have to say no. Some players have made excellent contributions - such as Harry Maguire, - but most have made very fleeting impacts. Does this matter to most fans? No, as long as the club is successful alongside player sales. Some fans would say McCabe's blueprint is disingenuous; others that the sales were inevitable but the deals were wrong. Others will blame the manager's use of the money, as the primary reason sales haven't been married with success.
In the last couple of years, we have had a stellar crop emerging, and I've looked forward to the likes of Semple, Ramsdale, Slater, DCL and Brooks coming through. Some of these have been sold, already. The difference being: success and sales have gone hand in hand under Wilder.
Where I have been disappointed is in the prices we get for our players.This will only come under greater scrutiny the higher in the pyramid we climb.As a championship club, the financial parameters have changed. The frankly bargains prices that we allowed Ramsdale and DCL to move for, will not allow us to pay the wages and fees for the same volume of players we obtained with these funds in league one (if similar sales happen). If the goal is to climb the ladder with a team containing top class academy players, and/or do it with the funds we obtain from them - the fees have to be much bigger.In Brook's case, I would ask this question: is now the right time to sell him and maximise his value? If McCabe's vision of a team full of academy lad's is a utopian one, then maximising value is the key issue. Sell them when under long contracts, when they're at the peak of their valuation.

The only thing we can offer him, to make him want to stay, is first team football. And if he is successful at that, his value will rocket. It would be crazy not to give him a go on his current showings. If he's crap, it may lower the interest in him and he may be happy to stay with us to develop further. If he's good, then he knows he'll play a big role in the forthcoming season. And be worth stupid money. We've got August to see what level he's at before the window closes. Even considering any offers before that (unless some club does come in with an offer we can't refuse ) would be madness.

 

[stringer]

Looks pretty evident to me that a fair few people are saying the same thing of their own volition Daniel.

So not everyone then. For eight pages it was debate worthy, until the anti-Star Mafia chimed in. For the record, you'd rather not know the chairman's thoughts on selling the best young player at the club?

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Or 3) I relayed what KMc has said about the club's prized asset's future. Fairly interesting I'd have thought. Hence a ten page thread. But each to their own

Well that's your motives fully explained, then....the ten pages.

Edit: just for your information, I'm not a member of the anti-Star mafia, I've read the paper for over forty years, but I wouldn't send my mother in law out in the rain for one now

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I gather we all don't want to sell Brooks but if we did sell him we'd want a proper fee for potentially a top four player, he's that good.

What I want to pick up on though is this trait of seeing people slag each other off on here regards McCabe in particular.

What those on the so called pro McCabe side need to realise is that the so called anti McCabe side want the best for the Blades, in either receiving a proper fee for a certain player or being ambitious and keeping said player to help us rise the leagues so we can earn more money as a club through a lot of other avenues.

On the flipside the anti McCabe side need to realise he won't be here long and will still be looking to recoup some of his losses from mostly his own diabolical decisions admittedly, one being Robson, so whilst he's still here expect things like sales of our young talent to keep happening.

I'd be as gutted as anyone if Brooks was sold but I personally think that in McCabes' position it's inevitable unfortunately. I really hope I'm proved wrong for all our sakes.

It's ok to sell. Seriously I'm fine with it. It's a necessity of the modern game.

BUT

It's about timing and you don't sell £50m potential players for £2m or even £5m when you know that their value will increase massively by holding onto them for longer.

 

[stringer]

Well that's your motives fully explained, then....the ten pages.

Yes, it's what helps me sleep at night getting the double figures

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

He'd just come back from the Toulon Tournament with a winner's medal around his neck and the player of the competition award under his arm, so I'd argue he was. What's attention seeking about relaying what McCabe has said about a player that many are worried will be sold? What's the saying about shooting the messenger?

I have only read your statement it wasn't a new interview. No interest in reading it as it means clicking on a link to adverts. Don't think it's about shooting the messanger here,more a justified reaction to years of increasingly shit journalism at your place of employment,and thats your fault not mine.
Hows about you chuck some good stuff out.
When's Lenny signing?
The bloke from Blackburn?
A new striker? Names.

 

[Tyler Durden]

So not everyone then. For eight pages it was debate worthy, until the anti-Star Mafia chimed in. For the record, you'd rather not know the chairman's thoughts on selling the best young player at the club?

My first post on the thread addressed the subject as it happens.
I'm just far more interested in the way that yourself and your two shit stirring mates from the Stars own Donny Mafia are driving your rag into oblivion with your 3rd rate hackery.

 

[bigbirdblade]

I don't know who allows him to talk to the media, it never helps. Basically any premier league side will look at that and say they can pick him up cheap. What McCabe needs to say is that we will not sell cheap and we will fight to keep all young players

In answer to McCabe: I don't think anyone ever expects to keep every young player but protect ourselves better:
1) Give them a good, but realistic contract with a decent duration. Give them regular new contracts when they reach milestones and games targets.
2) Set his price exceptionally high, beyond a level which makes it "small change". 5-10 Million will do as a baseline, even if they're not currently worth that.
3) Put a sell on clause of 10% into any deal (which in fairness has been done for the past few years)

Its very easy to buy from United. We need to make that a little more difficult.

Contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on. McCabe is right. If another premier league club can double his money he'll go. It's not the club's fault it's up to the player. We can slap a high price on but that's it. If you were offered double salary by a rival company to the one you work for would you stay or go? Yeah exactly.

 

[stringer]

I have only read your statement it wasn't a new interview. No interest in reading it as it means clicking on a link to adverts. Don't think it's about shooting the messanger here,more a justified reaction to years of increasingly shit journalism at your place of employment,and thats your fault not mine.
Hows about you chuck some good stuff out.
When's Lenny signing?
The bloke from Blackburn?
A new striker? Names.

I said it wasn't this afternoon not that it was old. I thought journalists were supposed to be the ones who twist truths? Nothing on some on here!

 

[stringer]

My first post on the thread addressed the subject as it happens.
I'm just far more interested in the way that yourself and your two shit stirring mates from the Stars own Donny Mafia are driving your rag into oblivion with your 3rd rate hackery.

I admire your borderline obsession. Shall we have a pint sometime? If you promise to not end up wearing my skin by the end of the night.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

“In many ways [promotion has eased pressure of selling youngsters]. But the truth is until you are back in the Premier League, if a Premier League club comes along and wants one of your players... if someone can give me the answer of how you keep them. I think most supporters realise that our desire is not to sell a David Brooks - obviously a youngster with immense talent - or a Dominic Calvert-Lewin. But when the big dog comes knocking...”

www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/danny-hall-sheffield-united-s-david-brooks-is-a-young-man-of-few-words-but-immense-potential-1-8658586

McCabe is fkin hopeless. No wonder he has overseen the worst period in our history.

 

[nopigfansintown]

So not everyone then. For eight pages it was debate worthy, until the anti-Star Mafia chimed in. For the record, you'd rather not know the chairman's thoughts on selling the best young player at the club?

I don't know if you consider me anti Star mafia? Anyway, the problem I have with the article is context. Ok, we have Kevin McCabe talking about young players and bigger clubs, but when, where, and in answer to what question? I would still say the article was a worthwhile read if the quote was from two years ago, but the lack of a fuller context leaves it open to accusations of sensationalism, shit stirring and/or opportunism.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

I said it wasn't this afternoon not that it was old. I thought journalists were supposed to be the ones who twist truths? Nothing on some on here!

Think I made it clear I didn't read the article for reasons given. It was referred to as old by others. You're splitting hairs here and dodging the issue.
I certainly am not twisting anything. I don't work for any football club or publication so have no vested interest either way beyond wanting to read quality articles about my club that search for the meaning behind palliatives and don't just repeat them without doing a Paxman!

 

[stringer]

I don't know if you consider me anti Star mafia? Anyway, the problem I have with the article is context. Ok, we have Kevin McCabe talking about young players and bigger clubs, but when, where, and in answer to what question? I would still say the article was a worthwhile read if the quote was from two years ago, but the lack of a fuller context leaves it open to accusations of sensationalism, shit stirring and/or opportunism.

Two years ago? No chance. Well after Toulon and after we knew he wasn't going to Chezzy. After pre-season had begun. I'm glad you found it a worthwhile read, thanks

 

[Tyler Durden]

I admire your borderline obsession. Shall we have a pint sometime? If you promise to not end up wearing my skin by the end of the night.

Well I've never knowingly turned down a pint thus far, happy to do it.
Maybe leave your notepad at home mind. Don't want to end up in the paper as 'Exclusive Interview With Blades Twat'.

 

[stringer]

wanting to read quality articles about my club that search for the meaning behind palliatives and don't just repeat them without doing a Paxman!

I said it right here on the forum, you didn't have to read any article. Did you know McCabe's stance on selling Brooks before opening this thread?

 

[stringer]

Well I've never knowingly turned down a pint thus far, happy to do it.
Maybe leave your notepad at home mind. Don't want to end up in the paper as 'Exclusive Interview With Blades Twat'.

It's 2017, mate. I'll not bring my typewriter either

 

[Tyler Durden]

It's 2017, mate. I'll not bring my typewriter either

Fair point. I'll leave my revolver at home as a goodwill gesture also

 

[Darthblade]

“In many ways [promotion has eased pressure of selling youngsters]. But the truth is until you are back in the Premier League, if a Premier League club comes along and wants one of your players... if someone can give me the answer of how you keep them. I think most supporters realise that our desire is not to sell a David Brooks - obviously a youngster with immense talent - or a Dominic Calvert-Lewin. But when the big dog comes knocking...”

www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/danny-hall-sheffield-united-s-david-brooks-is-a-young-man-of-few-words-but-immense-potential-1-8658586

Dear Kev

Just speak to Southend's Chairman and ask him how he manages to cope ..........

Yours sincerely

Cynical old bas**rd supporter

UTB & FTP

 

[wizadry]

You obviously don't understand it as well as you think.

He has more chance of winning the Champions League than he has recouping his losses.

In fact come to think of it, winning the Champions League is probably the only chance has of recouping any of his losses.

If you had said the he needs to manage his present and future financial commit to SUFC then I would have been inclined to agree with you.

As an aside, you say he won't be here long.

Do you know something we don't?

For the record I support SUFC.

Not the chairman for the time being, not the players for the time being, but SUFC for my lifetime.

I used the words 'recoup SOME losses', a bit of a difference and I know he won't get most of it back but if we are relatively successful he will get some of it back, no doubt about it.

I was basing my comment regards him not being here too long on the fact he only said the other year that he was looking for a buyer as he couldn't continue to run the club at a loss, now unless the Prince continues to pump money in aswell as McCabe I think deep down he will be looking to sell as soon as we look a decent bet for promotion from this league, whether that be this season or next who knows. He's also nearly 70 years old and I know you're as old as you feel but he's no spring chicken anymore. Admittedly it's guesswork but it's just my thoughts on it Maidenhead.

Is it Scunthorpe or Southend?

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

I said it right here on the forum, you didn't have to read any article. Did you know McCabe's stance on selling Brooks before opening this thread?

Yes. As does everyone else.

 

[Darthblade]

I understand it's difficult to stand in a player's way if one of the big boys comes knocking, even if it would be better for their development to stay with us a bit longer. The one thing I can't get my head round is when we undervalue our talent.

Yes we mugged off a few teams with the likes of Jordan Slew, but if Ademola Lookman can be sold for £11 million, i'd expect nothing less than that for Brooks who if anything has been the more impressive player at least on the International stage. Sadly I think £3 million would be pushing it which is peanuts in today's market.

Once the price gets over £0.5m our "ambitious" Board generally go a bit weak at the knees and start to bend over .........

Little bit of wriggling ...... but a firm shove usually finishes off the half-hearted resistance

UTB & FTP