Kevin McCabe on David Brooks

[BushBlade]

Yeh, Kev was on Oxygen until Beattie caught flu, he soon got into the Rug Pulling Business (from under feet) after that

Chairman for the worst period in our Histoty ..........

A bit late replying, Funeral, 62 year old blade, absolutely put me to shame with his (and hers) away travelling over the last 10 years

Glad he saw the 3rd Division Championship Won

RIP Tony Lade

Fuck me that's too young. Condolences.

 

[SHOREHAMST.com]

Yep, I recall that, but it didn't take long before the axe fell and we swapped DCL for Everton's small change. I think the lad was going nowhere fast at United so probably a chance he couldn't risk turning down. He'll be far wealthier at Everton, so let's wait and see how well he matures as a player. Forecasting is a nonsense really, so whether he's good enough to play at the top level remains a mystery.......but back to McCabe's statement, why he felt it necessary to say such a damaging statement I've no idea, he might just as well as written in big, bold font that we can be squeezed like a lemon and at very little effort.

I'm guessing Kev may have learnt a very small lesson. And we might get around £2-3m this time.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I'm guessing Kev may have learnt a very small lesson. And we might get around £2-3m this time.

Strewth!

If that was close to the truth I'd be (almost) speechless, well at least for a few reflective moments......

The young lad needs to be seen competing against Championship level players, if this quality we're all ecstatic about continues then a minimum of £10 million seems accurate, but even then probably a bit on the low side.

 

[Sheffsteel]

This player valuation discussions are total madness. There's no such thing as a fair valuation anymore, it all depends who is buying.

If a league 1 club wants Brooks he's worth £300K.
If a Championship side wants to buy Brooks he's worth £800K.
If a PL clubs wants Brooks he's worth £10 million and if Man City want him his valuation is £20 million.

It's a bit like the value of 4 strawberries from Tesco is 20p, the exact same strawberries are valued at £3 on Ecclesall Road and the same 4 strawberries cost £10 at Wimbledon tennis.

Normally an agent would negotiate a salary based on that players valuation to that club.

Imagine the conversation.
Brooks agent: We are convinced in 2 years a PL club be willing to offer 10 million, this wouldn't be a big risk for them. So that means Sheff Utd need to increase Brooks salary from £2K a week to £15Ka week because he's likely to make a massive profit for United once he's sold. The PL has perverted valuations and salary demands.

If Brooks agent said he'll sign a 3 deal raising his wage from £2K to £15K would you give it him, bearing in mind he's never played a single match in league football.

 

[Bladesman]

Usual guff from McCabe which he comes out with every few years to justify the next sale we make.

We are a soft touch with regards to transfers of our youngsters. We thought 10 years ago £1mil or £2mil was enough for one of our youngsters and we still think the same now.

In the meantime other clubs of similar stature have upped the price tag on their young players. I could still understand the rush to sell a player if McCabe didn't have a co-owner but we have the Prince now. We were told when the prince came on board that we would be able to hang on to younger talent or at least keep them a bit longer.

Anyway we will see what happens and maybe Brooks will be here for a couple of seasons.

 

[him behind you]

Well it's good to see we have entered a new season and stayed optimistic. Oh. Nothing has or hasn't happened yet and yet everyone is assuming sides and the daggers are out. Sorry but we have to sit here and see how it plays out. I don't see any bids on the table and I don't see a player wanting to leave. Until that happens everyone is assuming and working on things that haven't actually happened.

Steady on.....no room for "common sense" when McCabe can be slaughtered. Interesting that this was apparently made a couple of weeks ago when Brooks was still very much an unknown to most of us and, had it been picked up then, I wonder whether the reaction would have been the same. Makes one wonder whether someone somewhere has an agenda to cause friction and unrest between the club and supporters with the timing of such a statement - just after he scores a cracker in a pre-season friendly against Chesterfield??

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

So he's player of the tournament in Toulon and scores a fantastic goal the other night and all of a sudden McCabe is milking himself silly.

GROW A FUCKING PAIR YOU USELESS JIBBERING TOSSER. Don't come out all apologetic about it, fucking fight for your player. Even if you think it's inevitable, don't say as such. Talk as if you're absolutely steadfast on keeping him.

Fucking McCabe. The big clubs come calling and he willingly bends over. I imagine he's the sort of bloke who as a young lad, if another lad was chasing your bird, he'd apologise for getting in the way and softly step aside like a little wet lettuce.

What a tosspot.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

He's got no idea whatsoever about what a promising youngster is worth. Would Southampton accept £1-2m?

Brooks is clearly a lad with bags of potential. Get your money's worth you absolute clown.

 

[8lade]

Not having a pop at any one person...fuck it I'm having a go at anybody who is slamming United's transfer dealings, I really don't understand what is so hard to understand about this?

Is the player under contract and is it long enough not to just elapse?
Is there a release fee?
Is the player's wages too much and we are trying to get them off the books?
Is the player under 24 and will the fee be sorted by tribunal?
Has the player become a bad influence and are we willing to lose a fee to discipline them?

I may have missed one or two points there that go into deciding a transfer fee but you can use combinations of any of these to come up with why we 'only' received the fees we did and just to add that the fees we have received for the big 3 sales recently (although never enough) haven't been too bad, when you get the sell on fee.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Can't possibly imagine why. Never done anything like sell a promising young player foe a fraction any other club gets for theirs have we?
Red Bull Leipzig interested in Brooks as well it seems. Sorry if already posted.

'foe' ??!! 'for' Sean, 'for'! Only had to look at your last post to find it this morning. Have a good day spelling-meister.

 

[Sean Thornton]

He's got no idea whatsoever about what a promising youngster is worth. Would Southampton accept £1-2m?

Brooks is clearly a lad with bags of potential. Get your money's worth you absolute clown.

Any chance of a link to where McCabe has quoted 1 or 2 million?

 

[diplomat]

Well I've read the first and last two pages. Is everything in the middle the same?

Stop being outraged, nowt has happened. Save it for if something does happen that you don't like.

 

[him behind you]

Any chance of a link to where McCabe has quoted 1 or 2 million?

Stop it Sean. You're becoming a real pain with your constant search for facts and your challenges to guesses and inventions

 

[BusheyBlade]

Look how much Charlton got for Lookman and DCL played a LOT more than him last year.

2 more starts (5 as opposed to 3) and 1 more sub appearance (6 as opposed to 5) hardly classes as a "LOT more".

 

[Tunstall Fred]

2 more starts (5 as opposed to 3) and 1 more sub appearance (6 as opposed to 5) hardly classes as a "LOT more".

Trust me you will find out it is a LOT more

 

[Slim Man]

2 more starts (5 as opposed to 3) and 1 more sub appearance (6 as opposed to 5) hardly classes as a "LOT more".

More is more

 

[Slim Man]

Trust me you will find out it is a LOT more

Trust me you'll find out you are a very boring person

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Trust me you'll find out you are a very boring person

ARNW

 

[BusheyBlade]

More is more

More is indeed more, but in no way do those stats constitute a "LOT" more (your original phrase). You also stated right at the beginning of the thread that DCL had been a regular for Everton last season, that clearly wasn't the case either. But then you do have the tendency to slightly inflate some stats to prove your point so if the cap fits and all.

 

[I should coco]

no one forced him to do so

Anyone who involves themselves with a professional football club does so for limited reasons. It's either vanity, or knowing that your club stands a good chance of climbing to the Premiership

So on the basis no one 'forced him' the £50m he has put in doesn't really count and we don't owe him any thanks at all for savin the club after McDonald. None, it's his own daft fault.

Presumably then a wise investor might conclude that it's time, having achieved the status of Premiership membership, to sell to a potential buyer with real financial clout rather than someone who claws back their risk investment at every opportunity?

He'd sell like a shot if we got up. The trouble is be careful what you wish for. Our new owner, Ho Chi Min or Pol Pot might have less interest in our history, traditions and supporters. Still, they'd spend £25m on an Argentinian starlet so that would make everything all right then.

 

[Slim Man]

More is indeed more, but in no way do those stats constitute a "LOT" more (your original phrase). You also stated right at the beginning of the thread that DCL had been a regular for Everton last season, that clearly wasn't the case either. But then you do have the tendency to slightly inflate some stats to prove your point so if the cap fits and all.

Zzzz

More is more. If you work that out as a percentage it will seem a lot. Not really bothered, I didn't research it as I knew it anyway.

DCL base fee - not much more than a million
Lookman base fee - £7.5 million rising to £11 million

DCL is the one who played more games.

Who got the better deal? We had our trousers pulled clean down.

 

[itsinyerblood]

So on the basis no one 'forced him' the £50m he has put in doesn't really count and we don't owe him any thanks at all for savin the club after McDonald. None, it's his own daft fault.

Can't recall saying that, but it is a fact that when thinking about rewards anyone who dares take charge of a football club also knows that there's a downside.

As I've said, I've never commented on McCabe's commitment to the club, I don't doubt that he wants us to do well, but just as I might have periods in my life when things don't go well, I don't assume that the rest of humanity will care a great deal. It's McCabe's risk, no one else's, that's right, isn't it?



He'd sell like a shot if we got up. The trouble is be careful what you wish for. Our new owner, Ho Chi Min or Pol Pot might have less interest in our history, traditions and supporters. Still, they'd spend £25m on an Argentinian starlet so that would make everything all right then.

I'm sure you're right, and I can't blame Kev for wanting to make a profit if possible. The thing is, the only way he'll achieve this is to push the club over the line and into the Premiership. Those names you mention can be avoided if due diligence is taken care of scrupulously. A good legal mind will help Kev make a deal that provides for the club with certain assurances given.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Zzzz

More is more. If you work that out as a percentage it will seem a lot. Not really bothered, I didn't research it as I knew it anyway.

DCL base fee - not much more than a million
Lookman base fee - £7.5 million rising to £11 million

DCL is the one who played more games.







Who got the better deal? We had our trousers pulled clean down.

Err.

Clubs have panicked in the case of DCL. He's not worth 1.4 million quid.





We rejected their first bid and they've come back and bid higher.
Believe it or not thats what tends to happen.

Who's to say if we rejected Birmingham's third bid they wouldn't have come back with a fourth? Do you know that for a fact?

'Huge board error' that's saying the very least.

He's not worth £1.4m but we had our trousers pulled clean down?

 

[Slim Man]

Err.





He's not worth £1.4m but we had our trousers pulled clean down?

At first I thought we'd done pretty well to be fair, it was Adams I thought we'd been done on (still do). Then they spent 7.5mil on Lookman upfront and that changed everything.

 

[Bladesway]

Well I've read the first and last two pages. Is everything in the middle the same?

Stop being outraged, nowt has happened. Save it for if something does happen that you don't like.

No you missed the bit where I said what you are saying.

 

[BusheyBlade]

Zzzz

More is more. If you work that out as a percentage it will seem a lot. Not really bothered, I didn't research it as I knew it anyway.

DCL base fee - not much more than a million
Lookman base fee - £7.5 million rising to £11 million

DCL is the one who played more games.

Who got the better deal? We had our trousers pulled clean down.

Not arguing about the deal being better for Charlton, more your random claim that DCL played way more games for Everton. You make it sound like he was a permanent fixture in their side - he started a handful of games. By that logic George Long, Chris Hussey and James Wilson were regulars for us last season.

 

[Slim Man]

Not arguing about the deal being better for Charlton, more your random claim that DCL played way more games for Everton. You make it sound like he was a permanent fixture in their side - he started a handful of games. By that logic George Long, Chris Hussey and James Wilson were regulars for us last season.

I didn't make it sound like he was a permanent fixture at all?
I said he played a lot more games than Lookman, that's literally it. Fair enough he didn't play a LOT more but he played a few more.

I never made out he was a regular in the slightest. Though he was involved throughout the season.

 

[BusheyBlade]

I didn't make it sound like he was a permanent fixture at all?
I said he played a lot more games than Lookman, that's literally it. Fair enough he didn't play a LOT more but he played a few more.

I never made out he was a regular in the slightest. Though he was involved throughout the season.

Post #27:

I can, I said we'd have accepted the first offer.

DCL was a regular for Everton last year.
Ramsdale after a few games could be worth a shit tonne of money - Pickford has just gone for 30 mil.
Adams has just been subject of a rejected bid of 5mil from Fulham.

We always get fucked over in terms of young talent. All are worth more now than we sold them for last year. Anything above a million and we seem to consider it a good deal.

If we sold Brooks we'd sell him for miles under his worth cos we're behind the curve when it comes to the modern day market.

Stick to politics mate, I reckon you could make a career out of it.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I didn't make it sound like he was a permanent fixture at all?
I said he played a lot more games than Lookman, that's literally it. Fair enough he didn't play a LOT more but he played a few more.

I never made out he was a regular in the slightest. Though he was involved throughout the season.

Come on Danny, post 27. You said he was

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   dannysufc_Unknowing 7-Year Member
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   You can only say this when Leonard doesn't arrive and I'm confident he will!! We got good money for many young players who did not even feature for us, it's unfortunately how it works, the big fish pick on the smaller ones. How many wish we'd sold Long? Glad we sold Slew,
   
   DCL was a regular for Everton last year

 

[B14Nco]

To be fair... wasn't this a sound bite from an interview at the town hall? That's been rehashed now there is 'interest'?

I might be wrong but I think the context is a little different... so it's less 'here is something to make you all feel better about the rumours' and more a general point about we can't fight off premiership teams if they really want your players. Which for us is a statement of fact.

There is also a massive difference between Everton potentially coming in for Brooks and us going in for Holmes. Huge.