Kevin Blackwell - Bestest Manager ever

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Someone obviously thinks so as his wikipedia entry says he's statistically the best blades manager ever.

It wasn't me i promise;)

But the only contributions this particular wiki editor has made has both times adjusted kevin blackwells stats to show a 100% win record.

I smell :fishy:
 

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It wasn't me who updated Wikipedia but I do update a spreadsheet for my own amusement. Until very recently, Blackwell was second only to Spackman in the points per game rankings. He's now slipped to joint third.

I would say you can't compare his record this way with the likes of Warnock, Bassett and Harris who all had spells in the top division but it's a fair comparison with Spackman, Kendall, Bruce, Robson and Heath who only ever managed us in the second tier. On that basis, he was doing very well but is gradually slipping as the resources drain away.

Rank Manager P W D PTS AVG Win %
1 Spackman 43 20 17 77 1.79 47%
2 Kendall 82 34 27 129 1.57 41%
3 Blackwell 118 50 34 184 1.56 42%
4 Porterfield 226 98 58 352 1.56 43%
5 Warnock 388 165 100 595 1.53 43%
6 Harris 612 258 144 918 1.50 42%
7 Davison 592 248 139 883 1.49 42%
8 Mercer 154 64 35 227 1.47 42%
9 Bruce 55 22 15 81 1.47 40%
10 Freeman 132 54 30 192 1.45 41%
11 Nicholson 1216 486 281 1739 1.43 40%
12 Robson 38 14 12 54 1.42 37%
13 Bassett 393 150 101 551 1.40 38%
14 Coldwell 23 9 5 32 1.39 39%
15 Rowley 43 16 11 59 1.37 37%
16 Furphy 80 27 22 103 1.29 34%
17 Thompson 17 5 6 21 1.24 29%
18 Mcewan 86 27 25 106 1.23 31%
19 Haslam 158 50 40 190 1.20 32%
20 Heath 22 7 5 26 1.18 32%
21 Sirrell 81 20 23 83 1.02 25%
22 Peters 16 3 6 15 0.94 19%
 
It wasn't me who updated Wikipedia but I do update a spreadsheet for my own amusement. Until very recently, Blackwell was second only to Spackman in the points per game rankings. He's now slipped to joint third.

I would say you can't compare his record this way with the likes of Warnock, Bassett and Harris who all had spells in the top division but it's a fair comparison with Spackman, Kendall, Bruce, Robson and Heath who only ever managed us in the second tier. On that basis, he was doing very well but is gradually slipping as the resources drain away.

Rank Manager P W D PTS AVG Win %
1 Spackman 43 20 17 77 1.79 47%
2 Kendall 82 34 27 129 1.57 41%
3 Blackwell 118 50 34 184 1.56 42%
4 Porterfield 226 98 58 352 1.56 43%
5 Warnock 388 165 100 595 1.53 43%
6 Harris 612 258 144 918 1.50 42%
7 Davison 592 248 139 883 1.49 42%
8 Mercer 154 64 35 227 1.47 42%
9 Bruce 55 22 15 81 1.47 40%
10 Freeman 132 54 30 192 1.45 41%
11 Nicholson 1216 486 281 1739 1.43 40%
12 Robson 38 14 12 54 1.42 37%
13 Bassett 393 150 101 551 1.40 38%
14 Coldwell 23 9 5 32 1.39 39%
15 Rowley 43 16 11 59 1.37 37%
16 Furphy 80 27 22 103 1.29 34%
17 Thompson 17 5 6 21 1.24 29%
18 Mcewan 86 27 25 106 1.23 31%
19 Haslam 158 50 40 190 1.20 32%
20 Heath 22 7 5 26 1.18 32%
21 Sirrell 81 20 23 83 1.02 25%
22 Peters 16 3 6 15 0.94 19%

Interesting stuff Sothall. Thanks (hey where did the thanks botton go???)

I am amazed that Blackwell has a similar record to Kendall. I remember seeing some good football from Kendall side in the mid to late 90's. Blackwell almost certainly had better resources to start of with than Kendall did, although they picked up teams in similar dire straits (maybe even that side that Kendall took over was worse).

I have to say i'm pleased to see KB slipping down the rankings. He'll be behind Warnock by the end of the season (where he deserves to be). I know this is cutting my nose to spite my face (as united are losing) but he has been a crap Blades manger and I'm sick of him (and the very few that still support him) banging on about his record and him being the most successful United manager etc.

How much of a geek are you Sothall? Could you take out Warnocks prem season and Bassets top flights seasons so that we could compare apples with apples??
 
'but is gradually slipping as the resources drain away'

More like his back five are not keeping clean sheets and getting him out of jail every week unlike last season.

He has had an extra season here [no matter how long he lasts] than he should have as he would have been in the same position he is now with the fans this time last year if it hadn't been for the good defensive record last season.

Football on offer has been shit for two years.

At Newcastle we proved we can play a bit. Why o why has it been so bad Blackie?
 
I think this proves warnock is the greatest sheffield united manager of all time. He took over a team at one of its lowest points, rebuilt them to a premiership standard team on a shoestring and still managed a 43% win percentage. Considering a year in the premiership, thats some good going.

Why was people so against him when he was here, fickle fans i think the answer is.
 
Not fickle at all.

If you look at in the cold hard light of day he won a lot of games [or got a draw] with a lot of late goals that became 'the Blades way'.

He was a lucky bastard in that way and those late wins had us walking out of games on a high having forgotten what dross we sometimes watched.
 
Point I'm making Dunc is that Blackie was very nearly in the position he is now with the fans twelve months ago.
 
I think this proves warnock is the greatest sheffield united manager of all time. He took over a team at one of its lowest points, rebuilt them to a premiership standard team on a shoestring and still managed a 43% win percentage. Considering a year in the premiership, thats some good going.

Why was people so against him when he was here, fickle fans i think the answer is.

Not a patch on what Sir David of Bassett achieved with much, much less resource! Warnock's record stands up with most, but not a patch on Bassetts. He kept us in the top division spending an absoulute pittance compared to the rest of the teams of that time!
 
Interesting stuff Sothall. Thanks (hey where did the thanks botton go???)

How much of a geek are you Sothall? Could you take out Warnocks prem season and Bassets top flights seasons so that we could compare apples with apples??

2 Warnock (2nd tier only) 350 155 92 557 1.59 44%
6 Bassett (2nd tier only) 113 46 33 171 1.51 41%

Warnock leapfrogs Kendall and Blackwell. Despite a dreadful last half season, Bassett moves above Robson and Bruce. In my years, the top three managers are definitely Bassett, Warnock and Spackman in that order.

I'm sure older Blades would plump for John Harris and even older Blades (Kent Blade?) must think that Nicholson was the bees knees. ;)
 
I have to say i'm pleased to see KB slipping down the rankings. He'll be behind Warnock by the end of the season (where he deserves to be). I know this is cutting my nose to spite my face (as united are losing) but he has been a crap Blades manger and I'm sick of him (and the very few that still support him) banging on about his record and him being the most successful United manager etc.

I take it it's not the results that make him a "crap" manager then? as surely if they were that bad, you wouldn't have to hope he did worse?
 
Just shows statistics are a lod a of bo 11 ox.......... John Harris 6th ? ...best we've ever had.
 
'Bestest'?

There's no such word in the English language.

(I'm wearing my pendantic hat today).
 
I think this proves warnock is the greatest sheffield united manager of all time. He took over a team at one of its lowest points, rebuilt them to a premiership standard team on a shoestring and still managed a 43% win percentage. Considering a year in the premiership, thats some good going.

Why was people so against him when he was here, fickle fans i think the answer is.

Sorry, in a league table of managers in my time I would have to place John Harris at the top of the pile - by a distance, With DB and Kendall next. Warnock in my opinion is not in their league and would rank him along side Judas Bruce.
Just shows statistics for what they are. a nonsense.
Must be when our current manager is so high on the list.
 

Sorry, in a league table of managers in my time I would have to place John Harris at the top of the pile - by a distance, With DB and Kendall next. Warnock in my opinion is not in their league and would rank him along side Judas Bruce.
Just shows statistics for what they are. a nonsense.
Must be when our current manager is so high on the list.

Is that solely on achievement at the Blades? I would certainly rate kendall highly as a manager (even as a Blades manager) but not more so than Warnock (in terms of achievement with SUFC). Again I agree with your statement about Bruce and Warnock, but only since Bruce has left the Lane.

I disagree that statistics are nonsense, but they can be manipulated. This is the main problem as the statisticians often haver their own agenda and present the data in a way that suits that. By using different models, presentation etc figures can be shown in a deceptive light. I think this is the case with Blackwell. He does have a good record of results. Of course it doesn't take style of play, luck, quality of opposition and (most importantly) resources into account. If you were to take all these into account then I'm sure that KB would be down the list.

The best managers of my time (IMO) are Basset, Warnock and Kendall (in that order) - I'm 27. I thought Spackers and Bruce were ok, but nothing special.
 
I take it it's not the results that make him a "crap" manager then? as surely if they were that bad, you wouldn't have to hope he did worse?

No Foxy, his results record is pretty good. Although if we have this conversation in 6 months time it might be a little different.

He was very fortunate to pick up fantastic resources. This has made a huge difference to his results record and created a false impression that he is a 'good' manager. Having the back line of Naughton, Morgs, Killa and Naysmith at his disposal meant that he could play his negative tactics and get results. Since the back 4 has been spilt our results have been poor. If you think of the teams that Warnock and Kendall took over then they were much, much worse than the one that Blackwell took over. This had had a big impact on the statistics. Even so, when you compare Warnocks 2nd tier record (as Sothall kindly donated - thanks Sothall) then you can see that NW has a better record.
 
Sorry, in a league table of managers in my time I would have to place John Harris at the top of the pile - by a distance, With DB and Kendall next. Warnock in my opinion is not in their league and would rank him along side Judas Bruce.
Just shows statistics for what they are. a nonsense.
Must be when our current manager is so high on the list.

Statistics that compare only second tier results can't just be dismissed as "nonsense", you might as well say that the current league table is nonsense. Our current manager is high on the list because he's achieved better results than Bruce, Robson, Heath etc in the same division and comparable results to Warnock, Bassett and Kendall. I would say that Blackwell scores poorly on the "style of play" front and about average on the "available resources" front (i.e. he's been expected to make a big transfer profit every year like all Blades managers except Kendall and Robson).
 
In the statistics, have we factored in that Blackwell was Warnocks assistant during part of his reign or do we dismiss that as irrelevant? :)
 
Why? When the season started Taylor was a promising signing and Walker was here all season, Morgs and Killa were happy.

Maybe we should have paid Walker's wages and thought about the possibility of keeping Bromby.
 
Twelve different centre back pairings and four differnet keepers during the season probably has a lot to do with it...

A total and complete inability to sign decent players on a very generous budget might have something to do with it, coupled with a total and complete inability to coach, improve and effectively manage his players
 
Just heard KB on radio sheffield refering to the last four games of the season. He is putting great importance on the derby against the pigs and I really liked his enthusiasm.
 

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