Kenny officially gone on OS

[LouTheBlade]

And thats the problem Lou. We all thought a hell of a lot of Paddy, from Fans up to the Board by all accounts why? Because we thought that his words on his comeback actually meant something.

Whilst its a cliche and it doesn't surprise me, I don't think you can throw a blanket over footballers when you look at the likes of Morgs, Monty and now Cresswell who've shown loyalty. Cresswell stated that he re-signed because Monty and Morgs had done. Good lad. I'd imagine that there are one or two players in the squad that aren't happy with Paddy.!

Swiss, I admire the sentiment and the fact that you do not paint everyone with the same brush. But if you genuinely think that some players are different then you are living on a cloud mate. Morgs and Monty are good servants to the club, but I am 99% sure that if a better offer was genuinely on the table they would have walked as well. There is a reason Paddy can demand a bigger salary than those two and that is because he plays a specialist position that someone needed to fill.

The players that are ultimately loyal and dedicated to a club are so few and far between you could call them rare. I very much doubt we have as many as two in our squad. Morgs is club captain and gets a salary with us that he probably wouldnt get anywhere else at his age (dont get me wrong I think Morgs is great) but dont confuse a player in a cushy job with a player that is loyal. That kind of character in football is almost extinct now.

Us Blades understand that some players leave our club, we're not the biggest club in the world, we have our faults, but then so do you. However, don't expect the kind of reception that you received from Blades in the past. Don't expect a single hand shake from anyone in the club. Don't expect a warm reception and applause that so many former Blades players have received in the past when returning to the lane. Unfortunately the many great memories I have of you as a Player and an Honourary Blade are all but distant memories. You'll no longer be considered a Blade. Well done Son!

When Paddy looks at his bank statement during the course of next season, do you honestly think he's going to give a flying fook about the above?

 

[LouTheBlade]

Paddy was in a desperate position a year ago - a lot of people are forgeting how desperate that was. Every ace was held by United.
It was very, very poor management by United and in tune with pretty much everything that's happened since relegation regarding transfers.

I can't disagree with this. Pretty much on the money (excuse the pun).

 

[Foxy]

Morgs and Monty are good servants to the club, but I am 99% sure that if a better offer was genuinely on the table they would have walked as well.

In Monty's case, he certainly had more money offered to him than we are paying. Whether or not the pros and cons of relocation made it a "better offer" i'm not really sure

 

[LouTheBlade]

In Monty's case, he certainly had more money offered to him than we are paying. Whether or not the pros and cons of relocation made it a "better offer" i'm not really sure

Is there any source on that Foxy? I'm not denying what you're saying but I find it hard to believe any other offer he has received is significantly better than ours. Monty is a well travelled lad like any other footballer. I cant see relocation as being a deterrant to picking up 30% or more increased wages. I dont believe any players are loyal any more. They all play for the money, every single one of them.

 

[Ollessendro]

The club wanted the best of both worlds and we got exactly what we deserved: (almost) fuck all. We wanted to offer Paddy peanuts and keep him so he couldn't leave for nothing. Paddy (and his pesky agent) were upset with his shitty contract and hence asked for a clause. United were short sighted and stupid and hence allowed it to happen. On the one hand you could argue commercial awareness in that they still made money out of the deal (approx 400k) when he could have left for nothing. On the other hand you could argue that it was sheer stupidity to allow one of the best keepers at this level to leave for much less than his actual value.

I think Paddy is a cunt, but I'm more pissed off with united for this shambles. Even if we bring a decent keeper (such as SS) then this has been an absolue PR disaster and embarassment.

 

[nowtfancy]

well i find it hard to feel any animosity towards paddy.
he was a mainstay in the most exciting team we had for years.
we've gone drastically downhill, he's watched us get rid of anyone worth owt, so he's gone to play for a better manager for more money.

In his shoes i may well have done the same.

hello & utb

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Paddy was in a desperate position a year ago - a lot of people are forgeting how desperate that was. Every ace was held by United.
It was very, very poor management by United and in tune with pretty much everything that's happened since relegation regarding transfers.

That's simply not true. Paddy could of been sacked by United but he would of been a free agent once he ban was complete. He would of been pretty certain that someone would of taken a risk on him.
Plus if you think his friends in football wouldn't of at least phoned him you are being naive. I would be shocked if Warnock didn't have a couple of chats with him and assured him he would be ok.
Plus I would wager a fair amount of money that his agent would of got a few enquires about how things were going. You have to keep in mind he was banned for cough syrup not more serious substances.

 

[raul]

Is there any source on that Foxy? I'm not denying what you're saying but I find it hard to believe any other offer he has received is significantly better than ours. Monty is a well travelled lad like any other footballer. I cant see relocation as being a deterrant to picking up 30% or more increased wages. I dont believe any players are loyal any more. They all play for the money, every single one of them.

Going on Foxy's continual proximity to all Monty contractual offers and counter-offers I can only conclude that Monty's agent is, in fact, Linz.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

well i find it hard to feel any animosity towards paddy.
he was a mainstay in the most exciting team we had for years.
we've gone drastically downhill, he's watched us get rid of anyone worth owt, so he's gone to play for a better manager for more money.

In his shoes i may well have done the same.

hello & utb

Would you of done all that while just coming off a drugs ban? If he really wanted to leave why sign a new contract why not go on a free? He was covering himself and looking after numero uno, which is fair enough but it's a little cold hearted and he should expect a reaction.

 

[Foxy]

Is there any source on that Foxy? I'm not denying what you're saying but I find it hard to believe any other offer he has received is significantly better than ours. Monty is a well travelled lad like any other footballer. I cant see relocation as being a deterrant to picking up 30% or more increased wages. I dont believe any players are loyal any more. They all play for the money, every single one of them.

It's from multiple sources, the names of which I won't post.

One of them was involved in negociations/offers and tying up the deal.

One of them is well connected with the heirarchy of the club.

One of them is close friends with a key party.

Of course he plays for money, but in this instance there has been a degree of loyalty that we can't attribute to others, whether or not that'd have been the case with a higher offer or different teams I have no idea.

Going on Foxy's continual proximity to all Monty contractual offers and counter-offers I can only conclude that Monty's agent is, in fact, Linz.

Depending on the money offered, I'm not sure Linz would take that job... He's not been entirely truthful when trying to get a free breakfast in the past

 

[nowtfancy]

Would you of done all that while just coming off a drugs ban? If he really wanted to leave why sign a new contract why not go on a free? He was covering himself and looking after numero uno, which is fair enough but it's a little cold hearted and he should expect a reaction.

I think it might be a bit different if it was summat really serious & we'd stuck by him.
To sack him for being a bit daft, well we would have had to do it ages ago, so we should have 'stood by him'.

I am disappointed, but as he had become my favourite member of the squad I am not in least bit surprised, as soon as anyone gets to that position their days are numbered.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I think it might be a bit different if it was summat really serious & we'd stuck by him.
To sack him for being a bit daft, well we would have had to do it ages ago, so we should have 'stood by him'.

I am disappointed, but as he had become my favourite member of the squad I am not in least bit surprised, as soon as anyone gets to that position their days are numbered.

As far as the club is concerned then a 6 month ban is a 6 month ban, that is what they are standing by. Paying an employee for 6 months in which you cannot play them.
The club stood by him, offered him a good deal to stay as one of our top earners and he moved elsewhere because he got a better offer.

 

[Bayingblade]

Paddy was in a desperate position a year ago - a lot of people are forgeting how desperate that was. Every ace was held by United.
It was very, very poor management by United and in tune with pretty much everything that's happened since relegation regarding transfers.

Do you not think that there was always a get out for Kenny with QPR Len? I do. Do you not think our erstwhile manager was in regular contact with Paddy during his sabbatical, Len? I do. Do you not think Neil Warnock said something along the lines of "don't worry Paddy, there's a job for you here when all this is done"? I do. Do you not think Paddy's agent knew this and used it during negotiations, thus forcing some compromise (the clause) in the renewed contract? I do. So maybe Paddy wasn't in the "desperate position" you claim he was in? I don't think he was, especially given that, at the time our Neil publicly backed him to come back fitter and stronger.

It's not rocket science, laddie.

 

[shorehamview]

... He's not been entirely truthful when trying to get a free breakfast in the past

"Ey up luv, you look lovely this morning. The sunlight proper glints off of your bloodshot eyes, and you can hardly see the gravy down your frontage. Give us a free bowl of Sugar Puffs and a couple of snorkers* with a fried egg too, gorgeous. You are pretty. Did I say that yet?"








*Sausages.

 

[nowtfancy]

As far as the club is concerned then a 6 month ban is a 6 month ban, that is what they are standing by. Paying an employee for 6 months in which you cannot play them.
The club stood by him, offered him a good deal to stay as one of our top earners and he moved elsewhere because he got a better offer.

I think its right though to consider the reasons behind a ban when deciding your response.
He moved elsewhere because he got a better offer & because we let him, albeit a bit indirectly in this case. But that's what we do, and we are better (worse is probably the right word though) at getting rid of anyone worth owt than we have ever been.

 

[lenners]

Do you not think that there was always a get out for Kenny with QPR Len? I do. Do you not think our erstwhile manager was in regular contact with Paddy during his sabbatical, Len? I do. Do you not think Neil Warnock said something along the lines of "don't worry Paddy, there's a job for you here when all this is done"? I do. Do you not think Paddy's agent knew this and used it during negotiations, thus forcing some compromise (the clause) in the renewed contract? I do. So maybe Paddy wasn't in the "desperate position" you claim he was in? I don't think he was, especially given that, at the time our Neil publicly backed him to come back fitter and stronger.

It's not rocket science, laddie.

I'd have thought Neil would have been concentrating on where the next set of wage cheques were coming from and which players he was going to have to sell rather than telling Paddy he had a new club to come to.

 

[Bayingblade]

I'd have thought Neil would have been concentrating on where the next set of wage cheques were coming from and which players he was going to have to sell rather than telling Paddy he had a new club to come to.

Come off it, Warnock knew he was moving on. They were just sorting the compo and given that Hart was only at QPR for 5 minutes, it would appear NW knew exactly where he was going.

 

[Bladesman]

I think its right though to consider the reasons behind a ban when deciding your response.
He moved elsewhere because he got a better offer & because we let him, albeit a bit indirectly in this case. But that's what we do, and we are better (worse is probably the right word though) at getting rid of anyone worth owt than we have ever been.

Underselling players has always been something United have been brilliant at. Only the Kyle deals aside but then again the Kyle transfers proved that we are prepared to sell our Acadamy players ASAP rather than develop them further and form a decent squad with them. Cash now think later and then think "shit we could of got more money".

The transfer of Kenny is a bold and clear statement from the club that are rolling back the years to balance the books. I didnt think the likes of Kenny or Naysmith would go at the end of the season so its worrying for me that we are selling off/letting go our only decent players and from the looks of it not having an easy time replacing them (just like during the course of last season).

The only thing that is for certain we are not aiming for a top ten finish next year.

 

[lenners]

Come off it, Warnock knew he was moving on. They were just sorting the compo and given that Hart was only at QPR for 5 minutes, it would appear NW knew exactly where he was going.

So during our negotiations with Paddy last summer/autumn, Paddy was negotiating from a position of knowing that Warnock was going to become QPR manager the following spring and offer him a great deal?
An interesting notion.

 

[super_pig]

>The only thing that is for certain we are not aiming for a top ten finish next year
not aiming for a top half finish i reckon

 

[Bladesman]

>The only thing that is for certain we are not aiming for a top ten finish next year
not aiming for a top half finish i reckon

Staying in the league is priority it would seem.

 

[SotonBlade]

So during our negotiations with Paddy last summer/autumn, Paddy was negotiating from a position of knowing that Warnock was going to become QPR manager the following spring and offer him a great deal?
An interesting notion.

I agree with you on that len....................Did I just really say that?

 

[Bramley]

How many of our players would have turned down the chance to join QPR for what is likely to be a lot more money?

Monty.:thumbup:

 

[LouTheBlade]

It's from multiple sources, the names of which I won't post.

I can understand why so I wont push on that.

One of them was involved in negociations/offers and tying up the deal.

One of them is well connected with the heirarchy of the club.

One of them is close friends with a key party.

I bow down to your superior connections and will take your word for it

Of course he plays for money, but in this instance there has been a degree of loyalty that we can't attribute to others, whether or not that'd have been the case with a higher offer or different teams I have no idea.

Thats all very true. However my stance on the whole Paddy issue for instance (as you will gather), is that it is absolutely no surprise that a footballer has chosen money over loyalty. By saying that I'm not suggesting that Monty is as lacking in moral fibre as other players; its just that I find it hard to imagine any player turning down vastly increased wages to stay at a club they are fond of. If that is genuinely the case with Monty than bravo to him, he's a true Blade........

I just think as you say, there must be some personal reason for him either wanting to stay or not go to another particular club. If the money is right they will nearly always go. In my mind whatever the other parties were offering cant have been significantly tempting enough for Monty to walk away. If someone offers to up my wages by say 2 to 3k a week then like Paddy, I would be a moron to turn it down (not that I am justifying Paddy's decision because that scenrio is different). Even with an offer of 2k more a week from somewhere else Monty would be netting an extra £8,000 A MONTH!

Clearly I am just speculating with random figures here as I have no idea what Monty did and does earn, but would any player (ANY) realistically turn down that sort of increase?!!! I'm not trying to challenge your account of things Foxy I just cant get my head round why someone would do that.....do you get where I'm coming from?

 

[Foxy]

I just think as you say, there must be some personal reason for him either wanting to stay or not go to another particular club. If the money is right they will nearly always go. In my mind whatever the other parties were offering cant have been significantly tempting enough for Monty to walk away. If someone offers to up my wages by say 2 to 3k a week then like Paddy, I would be a moron to turn it down (not that I am justifying Paddy's decision because that scenrio is different). Even with an offer of 2k more a week from somewhere else Monty would be netting an extra £8,000 A MONTH!

Clearly I am just speculating with random figures here as I have no idea what Monty did and does earn, but would any player (ANY) realistically turn down that sort of increase?!!! I'm not trying to challenge your account of things Foxy I just cant get my head round why someone would do that.....do you get where I'm coming from?

Totally understand what you are saying , I've said myself that i'm surprised he didn't take the money and escape the inevitable abuse.

My account of things is out there to be challenged, I don't know it for complete and utter truth myself (I haven't seen documents/been involved in the deals/potential deals - which is the only way to know for sure!), all I know is what I've been told from a few very trustworthy sources.

You picked an interesting theoretical figure to suggest that someone else could have been offering by the way

 

[lenners]

That's simply not true. Paddy could of been sacked by United but he would of been a free agent once he ban was complete. He would of been pretty certain that someone would of taken a risk on him.
Plus if you think his friends in football wouldn't of at least phoned him you are being naive. I would be shocked if Warnock didn't have a couple of chats with him and assured him he would be ok.
Plus I would wager a fair amount of money that his agent would of got a few enquires about how things were going. You have to keep in mind he was banned for cough syrup not more serious substances.

Then fine, someone else could have signed him up last year and given him a contract when he was banned. Does anyone know if we paid him full whack for the whole of last season or just from when the ban ended?
Whichever way you cut it, we should not be without a goalkeeper for the second summer running and for that problem to be directly related to the activities of the same player.
I suspect this kind of thing is part of the reason why the Pie Man no longer works for us.

 

[Railway Blade]

I just think as you say, there must be some personal reason for him either wanting to stay or not go to another particular club. If the money is right they will nearly always go.

Perhaps he is motivated by playing as well as money. Im sure I read an article by him a little while ago saying that the grass is not always greener and quoting the likes of Tongey and Killa as examples.

 

[axel smeets]

Len, that is a very very very good point made about both kenny and the pie man. I'd not really considered that, but now I'm thinking about it, its pissed me off.

 

[JohnDenver]

In Monty's case, he certainly had more money offered to him than we are paying.

At my age a chap shouldn't have a favourite player. But now I'm thinking about starting a religion.

In fact, I suspect the Easter Islanders knew of the God of Football thousands of years ago...

 

[Micalijo]

At my age a chap shouldn't have a favourite player. But now I'm thinking about starting a religion.

In fact, I suspect the Easter Islanders knew of the God of Football thousands of years ago...

Very amusing, like it. I suspect that lot were better in possession than Monty as well.