Keepers jeepers

[Deadbat]

Tin hat time but I think both goalies were poor on the goals - see link below.

Moore has to do better on the late goal.

I think he has to take that ball or at least go for it. He basically just stood there and it was in the 6 yard box when it was bundled home.

http://intothevalley.proboards.com/thread/20385/todays-goals

He has been a vast improvement on Long and think he will be a good signing but like with many if our keepers still too many mistakes for me (Scunny away - near post goal and long shot - Chesterfield away near post) and today.

I have to say despite defence being deep and noone winning header (seems we missed some of the big lads that had gone off) it is goalies ball all day long. If that had been Long he would get pillared on here.

Our goal was a brilliantly worked free kick. Love the pass and also Basham's little block (!). The keeper was rubbish on this though - went straight through him. Sounds like he made lots of other good saves though.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Don't think you need a tin hat, Moore is better than Long but has still been questionable at times and the jury is probably still out. Give it 12 - 18 months and Ramsdale will be the no 1, he's got the potential to be the best keeper since Alan Kelly.

 

[Harry's Game]

Just seen the video. Can't see what Moore did wrong.

Possible pull on EEL though?

 

[Deadbat]

The goal was scored from 4 yards out. Keeper has to come for that.

With Wright off and also Clarke, maybe only way they would score was a set play from one of their big lads (two big centre back and centre forwards). Freeman seemed closest to the big German who scored (seemed to go in off his knob - Warnock's classic knob one in right in the last minute seemed a apt description) but the defence was so deep and needed to be out - Basham and some of the experienced lads should have had them a lot further out. When it comes in though, Moore has to go and deal with the cross swung in that deep. Yes he might miss it in bodies but the result of doing nothing was what happened.

 

[JohnDenver]

Tin hat time but I think both goalies were poor on the goals - see link below.

Moore has to do better on the late goal.

I think he has to take that ball or at least go for it. He basically just stood there and it was in the 6 yard box when it was bundled home.

http://intothevalley.proboards.com/thread/20385/todays-goals

He has been a vast improvement on Long and think he will be a good signing but like with many if our keepers still too many mistakes for me (Scunny away - near post goal and long shot - Chesterfield away near post) and today.

I have to say despite defence being deep and noone winning header (seems we missed some of the big lads that had gone off) it is goalies ball all day long. If that had been Long he would get pillared on here.

Our goal was a brilliantly worked free kick. Love the pass and also Basham's little block (!). The keeper was rubbish on this though - went straight through him. Sounds like he made lots of other good saves though.

Long would have been cast in concrete? Harsh.

 

[PokerBlade]

Tough one for Moore. Doesn't look like he can come and claim it, but if he doesn't make an attempt then he's dead in the water. I question the marking more than anything as looks like they're queuing up once it reaches the back post.

Not really sure for our goal either. Doubt either defence will be happy.

 

[Harry's Game]

The goal was scored from 4 yards out. Keeper has to come for that.

With Wright off and also Clarke, maybe only way they would score was a set play from one of their big lads (two big centre back and centre forwards). Freeman seemed closest to the big German who scored (seemed to go in off his knob - Warnock's classic knob one in right in the last minute seemed a apt description) but the defence was so deep and needed to be out - Basham and some of the experienced lads should have had them a lot further out. When it comes in though, Moore has to go and deal with the cross swung in that deep. Yes he might miss it in bodies but the result of doing nothing was what happened.

I think from that angle of delivery it's more difficult for the keeper than a corner, I think the defence is to blame rather than Moore.

 

[Gimli]

Seems like the only realistic opportunity to link this to a thread...

 

[Jehovah]

Agreed. He has to come out and try the punch at least. Probably gets a free kick for being clattered.

 

[ReeceofBDTBL]

Don't agree on this one tbh Deadbat, defence for me. Also note that Wilder refered only to the defence when criticising the goal today. Still, it's not black and white and whilst I think we've still got one of the best goalies in the league, I'd like us to sign another keeper to compete with him next summer if Ramsdale doesn't step up.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I don't think Moore did much wrong in commanding the area today – some decent claims from crosses, and a good save to push round the post. His distribution with the ball though was dire – slicing it throughout, and side-footing an easy ball to Basham straight out in the first half.

 

[Bladepicker]

I'm not laying much blame on the keeper for that. Free kicks from there are hard as he can easily commit, miss it and it goes in, you have to rely on your defence and the line was too deep, we left too many over at the back and Freeman was too weak.

All those are more to blame than, er, Moore in my book.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

I think from that angle of delivery it's more difficult for the keeper than a corner, I think the defence is to blame rather than Moore.

Yeah, I think so too. Corridor of uncertainty when it arrives at the first man (who missed it) - Moore was decisive & stayed on his line letting his centre-backs deal with it (as they should have).

Tbf to Ebanks-Landell his shirt was pulled, stopping him attack the ball properly.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

I'm with Deadbat on this one (tiny hat firmly on). Moore should've claimed that ball all day long or twatted it into row Z.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Can't see how Moore can get out amongst so many bodies to a ball that travels over so many heads. Thought we were too deep in that respect and why EEL, O'Connell and Basham were in positions way in front of where the ball landed and little Freeman the only player left to contest the header goodness knows. I suspect Wright would have organised us better had he been still on the field.

I think the goal is due to bad lining up and too many big defenders towards the centre of the goal and the near post, they were effectively out of the equation. Keeper should have pushed the defence out another yard or two as well.

 

[knowsnowt]

Sharon!

 

[Ollessendro]

Terrible goal to concede. Shocking defending by Lafferty for the foul and poor decision making to give away the free kick in a dangerous position when they only had one player in the box. Then poor organisation as we are too deep for the free kick. But fook me with Ebanks-Landel, O'Connell and Basham we've got enough big blokes to head it away. Moore maybe could have come but there were a lot of bodies in the way.

The biggest criminals were the outfield players for not killing the game off. Completely dominated but were not clinical enough. 10 attempts on goal and 6 on target is usually enough to score at least 2 and their keeper made a wonder save (from Duffy) but were were wasteful in front of goal (again). We need to be more ruthless and shoot more often. We were guilty of overplaying at times today and whilst it is nice to see us keeping the ball we need to have a pop nore often when in decent positions.

 

[Dnblade]

Can't blame Moore,I think he was right to stay and would have been to risky to come out for me...The 9 looks like he was going to get a header on it but not sure if he just gets a slight touch or he misses it altogether...it then goes over Bash and it's the 5 Bauer marked by Lavery who's credited with the goal....Maybe as suggested we could have been pushed up slightly,or maybe don't give stupid Free Kicks away in the first place.

 

[jqzblade]

Lets face it, Charlton should have been dead in the water by half time. Whoever we blame for a mistake made in our box should not detract from the fact that we are not scoring enough goals to see teams off in the first place!

 

[Sheffsteel]

It wasn't the goalies fault, too many men on the edge of the box.

Surely the central defenders should do better and Wilder alluded to this in his post match interview.

 

[Slim Man]

Don't blame Moore at all

 

[Revolution]

That's not Moore's fault.

I gather that we reverted to the Clough/Wilson tactic of winning corners late and making no effort to score from them. You need to be conservative, I appreciate that, but I have come to expect better from Wilder.

 

[blade too long]

We all want keepers to save everything and make 100 per cent correct choices on positioning

Aint never going to happen
Not even banks or shilton were infallible
Moore gets it right more than Long did.so its an improvement
To apportion blame on him means expectations we will never concede

 

[blade67]

The goal was scored from 4 yards out. Keeper has to come for that.

With Wright off and also Clarke, maybe only way they would score was a set play from one of their big lads (two big centre back and centre forwards). Freeman seemed closest to the big German who scored (seemed to go in off his knob - Warnock's classic knob one in right in the last minute seemed a apt description) but the defence was so deep and needed to be out - Basham and some of the experienced lads should have had them a lot further out. When it comes in though, Moore has to go and deal with the cross swung in that deep. Yes he might miss it in bodies but the result of doing nothing was what happened.

Really don't agree that the keeper has his name on this one. centre back needs to make the first ball. When they don't it's advantage to the forwards.

 

[JohnDenver]

That's not Moore's fault.

I gather that we reverted to the Clough/Wilson tactic of winning corners late and making no effort to score from them. You need to be conservative, I appreciate that, but I have come to expect better from Wilder.

Depends on the time left. We saw it happen incredibly early under Clough, but if it's in the last 5 and there's 1 goal in it, I'm happy enough to see keep ball.

 

[Revolution]

Depends on the time left. We saw it happen incredibly early under Clough, but if it's in the last 5 and there's 1 goal in it, I'm happy enough to see keep ball.

There's a difference between keep ball and sending nobody up at all for a corner. For a start, we are a pressing team. We should keep that going.

 

[GrayBlade]

Absolutely no blame on the keeper at all for me. If Moore had come out and missed it in the ruck and it had gone in he would have got absolutely slated.

We'd got enough big defenders that would normally attack and clear that cross, his job was to protect his goal if they didn't. If he'd made the save, nobody would have said that he should have come out and punched it would they? This is one of those scenarios where whatever the keeper did would have been wrong to some if they scored.

 

[JohnDenver]

There's a difference between keep ball and sending nobody up at all for a corner. For a start, we are a pressing team. We should keep that going.

It depends to some extent on what you're up to. If you send a number of players into the box then you need to put the ball in there, and the odds are you'll lose it, albeit with an outside chance of scoring. If you don't load the box it's easier to recycle the ball short and your team has its shape if you lose the ball. It's also easier to work an opening against a team chasing the game, so possession is valuable.

So I can tolerate not populating the box so long as it's late enough.

 

[sitwell]

To blame him for that and Chesterfields goal seems like scapegoating ,neither were his fault, the blame could lay in numerous places but he is well down the list. Top is Lafferty ,for getting caught and giving away the free kick.

 

[Slim Man]

Yet another Lafferty error, he was beaten all ends up by that anoraks about 3 times in the same run