CONFIRMED Kean bryan

[Cassius Kray]

Pleased with this signing! Not least due to all the hypothetical maths nonsense.

I heard it's 110%.
It would be interesting if there's a buy-back clause and a sell-on fee. It would mean that, for Ricky's suggestion to work out, the profit (after all expenses, etc.) would have to be more than the sell-on fee in order to tempt them to trigger the buy back. Say the buy back fee is £4m, and the sell on is 25%. That would mean that, if he's eventually worth £6m, I doubt that they'd bother with the buy back. They'd get £1.5m from the sell on, but would make £2.0m minus agents' fees (twice) from the buy back, so almost certainly not worth it.

If [P(W) - P(BB)] - [p(SO) x P(W)] > 2 x [F(A)], then they'd activate the buy back

Where:
P(W) = Price player is worth
P(BB) = Agreed buy back fee
p(SO) = Proportion as sell on fee
F(A) = Agents' fees

Actually, when I say "It would be interesting...", it isn't.

You've got your maths a bit twisted there. The sell-on will be a percentage - for instance if the sell on is 25% and he's sold for £4m City would get £1m.
Combined with the buy-back clause, this means that if he's sold to City for £4m they will actually pay only £3m. If they then sell him for £6 they've made £3m profit, less fees.

The formula would be:

P(W) - [P(BB) x [1 - P(SO)]] > 2 x [F(A)]

Yes sounds like he's a good lad and he's already tweeted how much he hates your lot from S6.

He's OUR PLAYER.

A buy back, guarantees the fee, not the timing. If we come to sell Citeh have first dibs but they can't force a sale.

Nice try though to piss on our chips while we are all happy.

How is the transfer activity at your place coming along?

As various people above have noted, this is incorrect.

It's a long way off but I'm wondering what happens if another club bids for him and we accept. I imagine that City would get first option at the agreed price but if they didn't want him, would we still be obliged to hand over the value of the buy back clause from any fee that we'd get?.

We'd hand over the % sell-on clause, but if City decline their option to buy him at the agreed buy-back fee then that is irrelevant. If we accept a lower offer from another club then we'd likely also have to accept it from City as well.

Let's say the buyback is £10m, and sell-on clause is 25%. City don't want him, but Arsenal offer £8m which we accept. We'd then have to pay City £2m.

 

[I should coco]

Absolutely love it... we get a potentially very exciting youngster from one of the best academies in the country FOR FREE and some blades still have a problem with the deal!

We haven't spent enough muneh, because obviously the signing on fee and his wages don't count.

 

[Dutch Blade]

How many times does this have to be saId?

Rangers were NOT paying £2.5m "for this kid"

They tried to big it up, no doubt to please their fans, by saying the package was £2,5m including signing on fees and wages.

No mention of transfer fees anywhere.

If we are paying him £10k a week over 3 years that's going to be the best part of £2m with employers National Insurance.

On top of that he will get a decent signing on fee, his agent will want a fee and there are other related costs such as his health insurance etc,

The total of all these would add up to a PACKAGE of around £2.5m

Rangers were NEVER PAYING A £2,5m fee for him.

As some may say, "it boils my piss" when people comment on articles/posts that they haven't bothered to read properly.

HAGDE

You sound pretty triggered

But I now understand that in England most media include wages etc. in the total sum. Which is completely stupid imo. In the rest of the world they just mention the actual fee that you pay for a player, like it's supposed to be.

 

[coaxingstar71]

Pleased with this signing! Not least due to all the hypothetical maths nonsense.



You've got your maths a bit twisted there. The sell-on will be a percentage - for instance if the sell on is 25% and he's sold for £4m City would get £1m.
Combined with the buy-back clause, this means that if he's sold to City for £4m they will actually pay only £3m. If they then sell him for £6 they've made £3m profit, less fees.

The formula would be:

P(W) - [P(BB) x [1 - P(SO)]] > 2 x [F(A)]



As various people above have noted, this is incorrect.



We'd hand over the % sell-on clause, but if City decline their option to buy him at the agreed buy-back fee then that is irrelevant. If we accept a lower offer from another club then we'd likely also have to accept it from City as well.

Let's say the buyback is £10m, and sell-on clause is 25%. City don't want him, but Arsenal offer £8m which we accept. We'd then have to pay City £2m.

I certainly don't have a problem with the signing, very pleased about it. Just trying to understand the details of the deal. Incidentally is this what you know or simply what you are assuming? I'm not bothered, but it's a bit rich to dismiss everyone's else's 'hypothetical maths nonsense' if you don't actually know the terms of the deal yourself.

Amusingly, you've stated that if they sold him for six quid then they'd make £3m profit - now who's talking nonsense

 

[Pinchy]

This kid is going to be shitter than Jasper Johns.

But better than Hallam Hope.

 

[HVR]

Or simply mix and match our new defensive signings & arrive at Kian Egan.

I am expecting some Drunk Bloke Behind me to get totally confused and shout "Come on Brian Deane!"

 

[coaxingstar71]

I am expecting some Drunk Bloke Behind me to get totally confused and shout "Come on Brian Deane!"

There's usually one that shouts that at Leon, so it won't make any difference.

 

[Cassius Kray]

I certainly don't have a problem with the signing, very pleased about it. Just trying to understand the details of the deal. Incidentally is this what you know or simply what you are assuming? I'm not bothered, but it's a bit rich to dismiss everyone's else's 'hypothetical maths nonsense' if you don't actually know the terms of the deal yourself.

Amusingly, you've stated that if they sold him for six quid then they'd make £3m profit - now who's talking nonsense

I'm not dismissing anything, was just answering your question.

It's hypothetical nonsense because we're all getting carried away about the potential profits for someone who might never even play a game for us. But I'm not criticising - I'm happily indulging in it as well. Simply wanted to clarify the maths for people. I don't claim to know anything about the details of the deal.

Good spot on the 6 - unfortunately I can't edit that now.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

I am expecting some Drunk Bloke Behind me to get totally confused and shout "Come on Brian Deane!"

That would be me

 

[Antonb]

I certainly don't have a problem with the signing, very pleased about it. Just trying to understand the details of the deal. Incidentally is this what you know or simply what you are assuming? I'm not bothered, but it's a bit rich to dismiss everyone's else's 'hypothetical maths nonsense' if you don't actually know the terms of the deal yourself.

Amusingly, you've stated that if they sold him for six quid then they'd make £3m profit - now who's talking nonsense

Who gives a monkey's about the details about the deal. Just listen to wilders interview. All you need to know is in that interview. We are in great hands

 

[coaxingstar71]

I'm not dismissing anything, was just answering your question.

It's hypothetical nonsense because we're all getting carried away about the potential profits for someone who might never even play a game for us. But I'm not criticising - I'm happily indulging in it as well. Simply wanted to clarify the maths for people. I don't claim to know anything about the details of the deal.

Good spot on the 6 - unfortunately I can't edit that now.

Just to point out that I think the logic in your answer was perfectly sound. However as a regular viewer on the forum, you should be well aware that 99% of everything spouted on here is 'hypothetical nonsense'. It's what we do

 

[coaxingstar71]

Who gives a monkey's about the details about the deal. Just listen to wilders interview. All you need to know is in that interview. We are in great hands

I'm not disputing that for a second, it's another good signing. No harm in being interested in what the deal actually is though.

 

[mattbianco1]

Wilder pronounced his name "Key an" as in "Ian" with a "K"

Let's get that addressed early doors.

 

[Eric Cartman]

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Wilder pronounced his name "Key an" as in "Ian" with a "K"

Let's get that addressed early doors.

Did anyone actually think it was keen as in, well, keen?

 

[Kev Gee]

Another great signing!!

Just that striker now!!

 

[I should coco]

Let's get that addressed early doors.

Sharp has been with us on and off since 2001 but we still can't get his traditional English name right.

What chance do we have with Keanu Ryan?

 

[BushBlade]

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Did anyone actually think it was keen as in, well, keen?

Yes I did. Because I’ve never heard it as a name before. Dean is pronounced Deen so why wouldn’t Kean be Keen?

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

 

[Th!stledo]

Great to see all the concerns about the complications of possible buy-back and sell-on clauses. Now if only we had owners who were successful businessman who employed skilled negotiators who were experienced in handling complex contracts?

 

[Chali 2na]

A buy back, guarantees the fee, not the timing. If we come to sell Citeh have first dibs but they can't force a sale.

Are you sure about that?

As far as I'm aware, we have no control when it comes to timing: providing city meet the buy back price and he agrees to rejoin he could sign for them at any time.

Not saying it's a bad deal, just not sure it works the way you described.

 

[I should coco]

Are you sure about that?

As far as I'm aware, we have no control when it comes to timing: providing city meet the buy back price and he agrees to rejoin he could sign for them at any time.

Not saying it's a bad deal, just not sure it works the way you described.

No I'm not 100% sure.

It all depends how the deal is structured and he can either be sold at any time (as you suggest) if the fee is met, OR when WE decide to sell him Citeh have first dibs at the pre-agreed price.

If we don't want to sell (and KB doesn't agitate for a transfer), then Citeh have to sit and whistle.

Not much point debating it further unless we get access to the contract, but that won't stop quite a few on here proclaiming what a bad deal it is for us and how once again, we've been sold down the river....'

 

[blade too long]

Kean bryan

Free.

I meant in wages

 

[Bladesman]

Decent cover incase Jack gets sold before the window closes.

 

[BushBlade]

Great to see all the concerns about the complications of possible buy-back and sell-on clauses. Now if only we had owners who were successful businessman who employed skilled negotiators who were experienced in handling complex contracts?

True, if we had a couple of those KM and PA wouldn’t be going to court.

 

[BushBlade]

I meant in wages

 

[Liaminho9]

Yes I did. Because I’ve never heard it as a name before. Dean is pronounced Deen so why wouldn’t Kean be Keen?

Unless you're in Wales. Then it's Dee-yan from Way-yals.

 

[Chali 2na]

No I'm not 100% sure.

It all depends how the deal is structured and he can either be sold at any time (as you suggest) if the fee is met, OR when WE decide to sell him Citeh have first dibs at the pre-agreed price.

If we don't want to sell (and KB doesn't agitate for a transfer), then Citeh have to sit and whistle.

Not much point debating it further unless we get access to the contract, but that won't stop quite a few on here proclaiming what a bad deal it is for us and how once again, we've been sold down the river....'

If the deal is structured anything like the way Real Madrid structure their buy backs, then unfortunately it would look like City hold the cards.

Still though, regardless of the buy back, it's a good deal.

 

[BushBlade]

Unless you're in Wales. Then it's Dee-yan from Way-yals.

Tbf, my broad Yorkshire speaking grandad would have pronounced it ‘Ke-an’. As he put his boits on to go and watter his brouard be-ans.

 

[8lade]

Tbf, my broad Yorkshire speaking grandad would have pronounced it ‘Ke-an’. As he put his boits on to go and watter his brouard be-ans.

Was he originally from Jamaica?

 

[BushBlade]

Was he originally from Jamaica?

Scoles. Very similar.