JVW v Wilder

[robbiez666]

so why is bettis offering Wilder the player?

is there evidence he has?

He is on loan to Beerschot for 3 years because that's how long it takes to get Belgium nationality.

https://www.beerschot.be/en/node/578

I'm sure if he could qualify we'd bring him back early but the length of the loan is obviously because we don't

 

[Bladeloyal]

He won't get a work permit to come into the UK, let alone play. He's nowhere near meeting the current criteria.

Don't think he needs one ,maybe there's a loophole in the EU settlement scheme we've taken advantage of .the real downer for CW was not bringing norrington Davies back when we desperately needed left defensive cover .now that was being stubborn and a two fingered salute to the board .

 

[MalmoBlade]

is there evidence he has?

He is on loan to Beerschot for 3 years because that's how long it takes to get Belgium nationality.

https://www.beerschot.be/en/node/578

I'm sure if he could qualify we'd bring him back early but the length of the loan is obviously because we don't

Yeah I get all that robbie, always thought the same, so why is bettis saying he can be recalled?

Also, wasn't Mali a Belgian colony? I would have thought that might have been part of the reason we sent him there. Is there a possibility that opens things up for him a bit?

 

[Bladeloyal]

Yeah I get all that robbie, always thought the same, so why is bettis saying he can be recalled?

Also, wasn't Mali a Belgian colony? I would have thought that might have been part of the reason we sent him there. Is there a possibility that opens things up for him a bit?

 

[Bladeloyal]

To work in Norway as he did he needed a residence permit ,think they have a agreement about free movement with the EU ,when we signed him we where in the EU so I'm thinking he's got the nessesary paperwork .

 

[robbiez666]

He definitely needs a 'work permit'. There is no loophole in the EU settlement scheme we can take advantage of. If you desperately want him to play for us then you'll have to marry him.

We have Max Lowe who isn't playing?

 

[Bladeloyal]

Max lowe isnt a international left back

 

[robbiez666]

Yeah I get all that robbie, always thought the same, so why is bettis saying he can be recalled?

Also, wasn't Mali a Belgian colony? I would have thought that might have been part of the reason we sent him there. Is there a possibility that opens things up for him a bit?

We can recall him IF he meets the criteria. He does not. That's why he's on loan for 3 years (with the chance to recall if he meets the requirements before then)

He has played 0 international games for a national team 50 something in the world. He plays for a club in what 6th in a second tier league.

 

[MalmoBlade]

We can recall him IF he meets the criteria. He does not. That's why he's on loan for 3 years (with the chance to recall if he meets the requirements before then)

He has played 0 international games for a national team 50 something in the world. He plays for a club in what 6th in a second tier league.

Yes, like I said exactly as I understood it. But why would CW and/or new manager be offered the chance to bring him in if he couldn't play? Why a recall clause at all if he can't play?

 

[MalmoBlade]

Sheffield United set to offer their new manager the chance to terminate Ismaila Coulibaly’s loan

Sheffield United will offer their next manager the chance to terminate Ismaila Coulibaly’s loan with sister club Beerschot and work with the midfielder at Bramall Lane.

www.thestar.co.uk

 

[Bladeloyal]

I'm sure if he can be brought back and the man that did the paperwork, and knows the full sp,say he can then I'm sure there isn't a work permit problem .

 

[robbiez666]

lol, I give up. Good luck with seeing him next year.

 

[BushBlade]

New Work Permit Requirements For Players Moving To English Clubs Post-Brexit

By James Nalton. From January 1, 2021, new rules come into place regarding the transfer of overseas players to the English Premier League and the English Football League (EFL). These will replace existing work permit recommendation processes, as English clubs will not be able to sign players...

worldfootballindex.com

 

[Bladeloyal]

We will have to wait and see ,seems people on S24SU know more about it than our chief executive who did the paperwork .

 

[BushBlade]

We will have to wait and see ,seems people on S24SU know more about it than our chief executive who did the paperwork .

One example of the new rules working for a player where the old ones didn’t, is Liverpool’s Nigerian striker Taiwo Awoniyi.

After five years of failing to get a work permit under the old requirements, Liverpool should now be able to get one for Awoniyi who is playing regularly on loan in the German Bundesliga with Union Berlin.

That was my reply to your original comment. It still seems relevant as it indicates it is more likely we can get him a work permit.

I’m not claiming to know anything, I’m just posting an article that may be helpful. If you don’t like it, print it out, roll it up and poke it up your arse.

 

[Kop sufferer]

Jeeeez, this is complicated as well as confusing, if we stick to the known facts, we bought him from Norway a non EU country when we were members of the EU and loaned him to a fellow EU country, which to me is the same difference.
Now we are non EU like Norway, to me there's no problem. (Maybe?)

 

[Bladeloyal]

He had a Norway residence permit which allows him to work in the EU as they had a reciprocal agreement .rules changed Jan 21 ,he was signed before . So might have signed the required paperwork allowing him to play his trade here .I'm not a employment law specialist lol

 

[robbiez666]

New Work Permit Requirements For Players Moving To English Clubs Post-Brexit

By James Nalton. From January 1, 2021, new rules come into place regarding the transfer of overseas players to the English Premier League and the English Football League (EFL). These will replace existing work permit recommendation processes, as English clubs will not be able to sign players...

worldfootballindex.com

Here are the full rules, if it helps anyone. As you say, it's going to be easier than before for non-EU players. Iinternational appearances less important for lower ranked clubs. Current team, minutes and league much more important.

file:///C:/Users/robbi/Downloads/gbe-mens-players-criteria-jan-2021.pdf

 

[Hamburg Blade]

New Work Permit Requirements For Players Moving To English Clubs Post-Brexit

By James Nalton. From January 1, 2021, new rules come into place regarding the transfer of overseas players to the English Premier League and the English Football League (EFL). These will replace existing work permit recommendation processes, as English clubs will not be able to sign players...

worldfootballindex.com

Am I getting it completely wrong, because people keep saying how it'll be really difficult to get a work permit but that looks like it's piss easy.
A player playing in the Belgian first division A (band 2), not an international (0 pts), club didn't qualify for European competition (0 pts) because it finished mid-table (0 pts), gets 10 points because his club is in band 2 and so needs to play 40% of minutes (which I assume is 40% of the total minutes played by the club) to get another 5 points for the 15 needed to apply. Is any of that wrong?
What isn't said, is that having got the 15 points, is the endorsement automatic? Having got the endorsement, is the work permit automatic?

 

[Torrix1889]

Thinking back, the recruitment of Verrips, Retsos, Zivkovic and Coulibaly have all the signs of being JVW "recommendations" that were done seemingly without Wilders full backing as he was unwilling to play them in any meaningful games, preferring to stick with his tried and tested (and at the time fairly successful) regulars. I just wonder if this style of recruitment was the start of the problems between the Board and Wilder?

Plenty of signings with Wilders full backing over the years have also proved poor decisions......

 

[Bladeloyal]

When he signed he didn't need a work permit as he had a Norwegian resident permit allowing him to work in the EU .that's my take on it .could be nonsence

 

[BushBlade]

Am I getting it completely wrong, because people keep saying how it'll be really difficult to get a work permit but that looks like it's piss easy.
A player playing in the Belgian first division A (band 2), not an international (0 pts), club didn't qualify for European competition (0 pts) because it finished mid-table (0 pts), gets 10 points because his club is in band 2 and so needs to play 40% of minutes (which I assume is 40% of the total minutes played by the club) to get another 5 points for the 15 needed to apply. Is any of that wrong?
What isn't said, is that having got the 15 points, is the endorsement automatic? Having got the endorsement, is the work permit automatic?

Robbie has just posted the full rules in the post above. I haven’t got the inclination to go through it all. I just posted the article because it seemed to explain why it’s feasible that he can now get a work permit to play for us, which backs up what Betty has said, who I assume has read the lot and understands it (or just got a lawyer to tell him what it means).

 

[robbiez666]

Robbie has just posted the full rules in the post above. I haven’t got the inclination to go through it all. I just posted the article because it seemed to explain why it’s feasible that he can now get a work permit to play for us, which backs up what Betty has said, who I assume has read the lot and understands it (or just got a lawyer to tell him what it means).

I hadn't. The FA website is (shockingly) not user friendly.

https://www.thefa.com/news/2020/dec/01/gbe-points-based-system-launched-011220

at the bottom of the page

I think you're right Hamburg Blade I think it's at the end of the proceeding season so not ongoing, but unclear.

 

[Bladeloyal]

These rules are post Brexit he was signed pre Brexit on Norwegian residential permit .and as such could ply his trade here .if Chris had wanted him ,he didn't so was loaned within the group .somebody better ask Bettis

 

[robbiez666]

These rules are post Brexit he was signed pre Brexit on Norwegian residential permit .and as such could ply his trade here .if Chris had wanted him ,he didn't so was loaned within the group .somebody better ask Bettis

I think you'll find that's just Schengen countries and only (automatically) for travel.

 

[Bladeloyal]

I think you'll find that's just Schengen countries and only (automatically) for travel.

“The UK’s exit from the EU entails major changes for both individuals and businesses. I am glad that we can now give Norwegian and British citizens who currently live, work or study in the UK or Norway predictability and security that their rights are upheld,” Mæland, pointed out.

 

[AdamSufc1997]

No wonder Bettis said he can come here if wilder wanted him if it's easier

 

[S40BLADE]

"The Blades CEO Stephen Bettis has revealed the club's plan for the 19-year-old and admitted that should Chris Wilder decide he wants him in United's first team, he will be 'on the next plane to England'."

Stephen Bettis reveals United's plan for Ismaila Coulibaly

The midfielder is currently on loan in Belgium but is part of a bigger vision, according to the Blades CEO

www.examinerlive.co.uk

Keep/Sell Berge (30m+)
Recall Coulibaly
Sign a couple of creative playmakers/wingers (depending on formation) and one Physical/defensive midfield presence.
Keep Fleck and Norwood for rotation/squad depth.

This with RND and Bogle as Fullbacks/Wingbacks should be able to give enough service for Brewster and McBurnie to be the Major Championship threats they have been in the very recent past.

 

[robbiez666]

citizens

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Thinking back, the recruitment of Verrips, Retsos, Zivkovic and Coulibaly have all the signs of being JVW "recommendations" that were done seemingly without Wilders full backing as he was unwilling to play them in any meaningful games, preferring to stick with his tried and tested (and at the time fairly successful) regulars. I just wonder if this style of recruitment was the start of the problems between the Board and Wilder?

You know this for a fact? All but Coulibaly were signed off by wilder. We paid around £2m in loan fees for Zivkovic and Restos they wasnt JVW signings, the club this time last year were using a scouting system that sends analysis, clips etc. This system is supposed to revolutionise the scouting market and mean clubs don’t need to have scouts everywhere.

This is what a lot of clubs do that don’t have worldwide scouting coverage, Bettis alluded to this in the first lockdown when he updated us on budgets in the hope we could get to Europe.

Wilder didn’t mind the Coulibaly signing but he disagreed with it coming out of our transfer budget and believed it should have come from the Belgium teams.

This argument that the Prince never put in money from his own pocket and just spent what the club had earned from prize funds/ premier league funds. Name another club that’s not got ridiculously rich owners that haven’t adopted the same approach? Surely it’s the logical approach when in likeliness we’re going to have to go down to come back stronger