JVW v Wilder

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McGrath said:
I'm saving this post. Let's see in a few years if this fantastic new system that you think we should 'evolve' with gets us to 9th in the Premier League.

In my view Wilder is one of the most innovative managers I've ever seen. He's ahead of the game. Not behind it
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I'm not sure what innovation, other than using the CBs as an extra attacker you mean?
 

FMBlade1 said:
There should have been more balance.

I don't mean to be unkind, but Osborne, Lowe, Robinson and Bryan are not PL quality. Perhaps we could have looked elsewhere beyond Dover instead?
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We did, and got a load of shite.
 
FMBlade1 said:
But it didn't exactly cost us as we didn't have to rely on them.
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The point being, listing a few cheap players we’ve bought, stating that they’re not premier league quality, then suggesting we should pop over the border and tap into the cheap pool of foreign talent is a gross oversimplification of what’s happened / what could happen.
 
The main issues were training ground and academy investment. Both promised for several seasons and never started. Part of the reason we agreed on a chronically low budget was that infrastructure would happen in line with us stopping in the PL. Two projects should have started now, alas.

Transfers: Instead of the one vote, one man (the majority Prince's men) they wanted to take all the votes away from the management and coaching staff. Most of the players brought in by these people have been expensive and shit, hence CW's reluctance. Also unhappiness with Coulibaly as he was parachuted in with club funds without consultation with SUFC staff and committee. The next manager will be a puppet if he accedes to this system. We now have a bunch of unqualified people playing real life fantasy football with SUFC. People need to realise that all signings were voted on by the transfer committee since the Prince got sole ownership, and that the Prince set the transfer agenda: young players who wouldn't be big drains if relegated, so we could develop them and bounce back. All signings were the fault of the committee, not CW/AK specifically - contrary to Phipps' propaganda. We simply do not have the infrastructure for Brentfordesque recruitment or a foreign based scouting system.

Sales policy: Despite the overarching policy being to come back with this young squad, the Prince changed the plan and demanded big sales of key players.
 
ChezVegasBlade said:
Thinking back, the recruitment of Verrips, Retsos, Zivkovic and Coulibaly have all the signs of being JVW "recommendations" that were done seemingly without Wilders full backing as he was unwilling to play them in any meaningful games, preferring to stick with his tried and tested (and at the time fairly successful) regulars. I just wonder if this style of recruitment was the start of the problems between the Board and Wilder?
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There are a few others you might want to add to that list.
Some actually did get a game or two but either they've gone or we hardly ever see them.
Rodwell - I've never seen.
 
nopigfansintown said:
The main issues were training ground and academy investment. Both promised for several seasons and never started. Part of the reason we agreed on a chronically low budget was that infrastructure would happen in line with us stopping in the PL. Two projects should have started now, alas.

Transfers: Instead of the one vote, one man (the majority Prince's men) they wanted to take all the votes away from the management and coaching staff. Most of the players brought in by these people have been expensive and shit, hence CW's reluctance. Also unhappiness with Coulibaly as he was parachuted in with club funds without consultation with SUFC staff and committee. The next manager will be a puppet if he accedes to this system. We now have a bunch of unqualified people playing real life fantasy football with SUFC. People need to realise that all signings were voted on by the transfer committee since the Prince got sole ownership, and that the Prince set the transfer agenda: young players who wouldn't be big drains if relegated, so we could develop them and bounce back. All signings were the fault of the committee, not CW/AK specifically - contrary to Phipps' propaganda. We simply do not have the infrastructure for Brentfordesque recruitment or a foreign based scouting system.

Sales policy: Despite the overarching policy being to come back with this young squad, the Prince changed the plan and demanded big sales of key players.
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Where did you get that info?
 
I am a bear of very little brain. Can someone please tell me who JVW is. Is he related to JVT who appears on the Covid programmes?😁
 

ashsufc1889 said:
And you're continuing the state the friggin obvious!
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Wasn't you who initially said this then ?

Coulibaly will either join us next season or be snapped up by someone with more buying power in europe.


Because its your name at the top of the post
 
Rob86 said:
You traitor ! 😜 spouting none sense like this. If the board had given Wilder another £100m we’d not be in this mess
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But by all accounts Wilder didn’t necessarily want another £100m as you put it, he just wanted to be more competitive with wages. When you look at the players he wanted and the players he got it no real surprise he ended up pissed off.

pay peanuts, get monkeys (relative to premier league money)

The lack of spending on the training ground is worrying too, it’s a decision that suggests that the long term of the club is not in the prince’s interests
 
nopigfansintown said:
The main issues were training ground and academy investment. Both promised for several seasons and never started. Part of the reason we agreed on a chronically low budget was that infrastructure would happen in line with us stopping in the PL. Two projects should have started now, alas.

Transfers: Instead of the one vote, one man (the majority Prince's men) they wanted to take all the votes away from the management and coaching staff. Most of the players brought in by these people have been expensive and shit, hence CW's reluctance. Also unhappiness with Coulibaly as he was parachuted in with club funds without consultation with SUFC staff and committee. The next manager will be a puppet if he accedes to this system. We now have a bunch of unqualified people playing real life fantasy football with SUFC. People need to realise that all signings were voted on by the transfer committee since the Prince got sole ownership, and that the Prince set the transfer agenda: young players who wouldn't be big drains if relegated, so we could develop them and bounce back. All signings were the fault of the committee, not CW/AK specifically - contrary to Phipps' propaganda. We simply do not have the infrastructure for Brentfordesque recruitment or a foreign based scouting system.

Sales policy: Despite the overarching policy being to come back with this young squad, the Prince changed the plan and demanded big sales of key players.
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Name names: who are these “expensive and shit” players? I am interested who you’re referring to.

Sales: I don’t like it, but you are aware how much money the club has lost through not having any fans in, aren’t you?
 
Carlton Blade said:
I'm not sure what innovation, other than using the CBs as an extra attacker you mean?
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Well who else uses it?

Wing backs popping all over as well.

What would be innovative

Carping on about Directors of Football as if they are the future certainly ain't innovative they've been around for decades. I've never seen any evidence that they elevate a club to a better position than a good manager would either. Generally they just seem to add another wage and produce more boardroom politics.
 
McGrath said:
Well who else uses it?

Wing backs popping all over as well.

What would be innovative

Carping on about Directors of Football as if they are the future certainly ain't innovative they've been around for decades. I've never seen any evidence that they elevate a club to a better position than a good manager would either. Generally they just seem to add another wage and produce more boardroom politics.
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So doing the same thing for 170+ games remains innovative? There's no need to adjust and evolve.

And give it a rest with the DoF stuff. We are talking about Wilder being the most innovative manager and you've listed something they came up with 4 years ago.
 
McGrath said:
Chris Wilder has based a very successful managerial career on having a close knit 'tight' dressing room and a squad who are well bonded together.

He puts a great deal of time into making sure new signings have the right character. He won't sign anyone who he doesn't fit in.

It took us from League One mediocrity to the cusp of Europe in 4 straight seasons. Who else would achieved that. His approach works.
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Wilders approach last season relied on a tight knit group of players knowing their roles, playing out of their skins each week, and staying fit.

Completely unsustainable.
 
Just on the Coulibaly issue

Latest clickbait suggests the new manager will be given the option to recall him because there is a recall clause and he can play in the UK

It also suggests CW was offered the same option but said he wasn't bothered.

Given the Lundstram issue and lack of midfield attacking threat this is something of a surprise?
 
MalmoBlade said:
Just on the Coulibaly issue

Latest clickbait suggests the new manager will be given the option to recall him because there is a recall clause and he can play in the UK

It also suggests CW was offered the same option but said he wasn't bothered.

Given the Lundstram issue and lack of midfield attacking threat this is something of a surprise?
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He won't get a work permit to come into the UK, let alone play. He's nowhere near meeting the current criteria.
 

ChezVegasBlade said:
www.sheffieldunited.news

Why Coulibaly transfer signalled beginning of the end for Wilder at Sheffield United

How Sheffield United signing youngster Ismaila Coulibaly last summer reportedly signalled the beginning of the end of Chris Wilder.
www.sheffieldunited.news www.sheffieldunited.news
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I really don't understand this being a reason. Coulibaly cost 1.8 million euros. He was loaned straight to Beerschot for 3 years. He's playing first team games in the top Belgium league. I can't imagine we'll lose money on him, even if he never plays for us. If we sell him for £10 million then that's a huge profit. It's like investing in art, as callous as that sounds. 90% chance of making a healthy profit. If he does really well then we have a brand new signing for virtually nothing.

I'm also struggling to understand how or why Wilder would have wanted or expected to sign the likes of Wilson and Barkley. The latter seems very far from being his type of player. Both are on huge wages and I'm unconvinced they'd actually come, especially if we had competition to sign them. He's gone on record many times that he won't pay over the odds for players and that he's working within a wage structure.
 
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