Incoming? Jonjoe Kenny

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Unless something is going on we don’t know about it doesn’t make much sense why we are after a right back. We would be better off getting 2 centre backs
Maybe a good right back is easier to find? Or maybe we are going to sign a few players in different positions?
 

Maybe a good right back is easier to find? Or maybe we are going to sign a few players in different positions?

i don’t doubt we will sign players in different positions but CW says regular he doesn’t like working with big numbers regards squad, and we have 3 right backs, and a shortage at centre half. We arguably needed one in before Souttar got injured.
 
I’m not against JJK, what does worry me is this incessant need and acceptance to wait until the very last moment in the hope clubs change their minds. Wilder has gone from saying we’ll have players back and a couple of new additions for the Watford game to, remember the players that are coming back won’t be able to play 90 minutes, and we’ll see if signings arrive.
 
i don’t doubt we will sign players in different positions but CW says regular he doesn’t like working with big numbers regards squad, and we have 3 right backs, and a shortage at centre half. We arguably needed one in before Souttar got injured.
We have been playing Gilchrist at right back, isn't his natural position Centre Half.

Seriki is like bambi on ice defending, better going forward, not ready to be 1st choice right back yet, better coming off bench after around 70min.

Shackleton would you really want him 1st choice, not seen anything that would make me confident he could do a long term job there for a side challenging at the top end of the Championship.

We need a right back infact if we had kept Bogle i think we might have been slightly better off points wise.

Is Kenny the answer not sure don't ever remember seeing him play. My worry is how good is the 2nd tier of German football.
 
I’m not against JJK, what does worry me is this incessant need and acceptance to wait until the very last moment in the hope clubs change their minds. Wilder has gone from saying we’ll have players back and a couple of new additions for the Watford game to, remember the players that are coming back won’t be able to play 90 minutes, and we’ll see if signings arrive.
Hardly any significant done deals in the championship yet. Mostly outs .
 
We have been playing Gilchrist at right back, isn't his natural position Centre Half.

Seriki is like bambi on ice defending, better going forward, not ready to be 1st choice right back yet, better coming off bench after around 70min.

Shackleton would you really want him 1st choice, not seen anything that would make me confident he could do a long term job there for a side challenging at the top end of the Championship.

We need a right back infact if we had kept Bogle i think we might have been slightly better off points wise.

Is Kenny the answer not sure don't ever remember seeing him play. My worry is how good is the 2nd tier of German football.
Yes but in a 3 at Chelsea, Gilchrist has done fine at right back, he isn’t going to centre half this year and certainly not in a 2 unless theres a lot of injuries. Seriki is a better defender than you say imo but agree he is better going forward, however he is only going to improve. Haven’t seen enough of Shackleton to give an opinion.
2 centre halves signing would be a better bet than another right back. As i said earlier CW says regularly that he doesn’t like working with big numbers squad, 4 right backs doesn’t tally with that, unless something is happening we don’t know about
 
I’m not against JJK, what does worry me is this incessant need and acceptance to wait until the very last moment in the hope clubs change their minds. Wilder has gone from saying we’ll have players back and a couple of new additions for the Watford game to, remember the players that are coming back won’t be able to play 90 minutes, and we’ll see if signings arrive.

I’d rather wait personally to get better players than just sign someone who we can get now.

It’s always going to be easier to sign shit players that clubs are desperate to get rid of.
 
Bit disappointing with sort of players we are being linked with atm. Wilder allegedly after mcburnie still over cannon is very worrying
Yeah I am proper worried about us being linked to a player who would suit this side to a tee and was out joint top goalscorer in a promotion season with Ndiaye...
 
Yes but in a 3 at Chelsea, Gilchrist has done fine at right back, he isn’t going to centre half this year and certainly not in a 2 unless theres a lot of injuries. Seriki is a better defender than you say imo but agree he is better going forward, however he is only going to improve. Haven’t seen enough of Shackleton to give an opinion.
2 centre halves signing would be a better bet than another right back. As i said earlier CW says regularly that he doesn’t like working with big numbers squad, 4 right backs doesn’t tally with that, unless something is happening we don’t know about
I personally wouldn't want to rely on Seriki defensively for what is now starting to become squeaky bum time in the Championship.
 
I personally wouldn't want to rely on Seriki defensively for what is now starting to become squeaky bum time in the Championship.

And equally, I wouldn't want us to rely on Gilchrist offensively as it shuts down half the pitch. I also don't think he's as good defensively as many seem to believe.

A decent RB would be a great addition.
It would allow Gilchrist to provide decent cover across the back line.
We would still need a starting CB to replace Souttar, but would have Gilchrist and Robinson in reserve.
 

And equally, I wouldn't want us to rely on Gilchrist offensively as it shuts down half the pitch. I also don't think he's as good defensively as many seem to believe.

A decent RB would be a great addition.
It would allow Gilchrist to provide decent cover across the back line.
We would still need a starting CB to replace Souttar, but would have Gilchrist and Robinson in reserve.
I do think we have suffered offensively with Gilchrist at right back, and like I said earlier if we had kept Bogle i do believe we would have been a point our two better off.
 
Gilchrist is obviously a good player, the problem is when he plays at right back it looks like he's been switched there as an emergency in a game where the regular full back has gone off injured, steady but looks out of place, there left sided attacker always seems to have acres of space waiting to receive the ball and Gilchrist gets dragged into a more central defencive position.
Not blaming him but a more natural right back is definitely required.
 
Having lost Bogle, and of course GB, this is a sound move. We are woefully short of experience now, and as we push on it will be needed.
 
Having lost Bogle, and of course GB, this is a sound move. We are woefully short of experience now, and as we push on it will be needed.
With Alfie, Seriki and Shackleton, is this THAT much of a priority?
I dont think we'll get the Blaster replacement now (looking more like Choudhury) and we're struggling to get Cannon, BBD and McBurnie over the line, wouldn't the wages or cash in the kitty be better spent on the CB or CF?
 
Gilchrist is doing a solid job but he isn't a natural RB. Shackleton can cover but has been injured pretty much all season. He also, isn't a natural RB. Seriki is our only natural RB, but he, realistically, is still breaking into the first team. That's when he hasn't been injured of course. Getting a natural RB in that has an okay pedigree, is fine by me. And Jonjoe Kenny fits that bill. It's not marquee. But it is needed. If Gilchrist gets injured, we currently have no RB.
 
Gilchrist is doing a solid job but he isn't a natural RB. Shackleton can cover but has been injured pretty much all season. He also, isn't a natural RB. Seriki is our only natural RB, but he, realistically, is still breaking into the first team. That's when he hasn't been injured of course. Getting a natural RB in that has an okay pedigree, is fine by me. And Jonjoe Kenny fits that bill. It's not marquee. But it is needed.
What does natural RB mean? He was part of the best back 4/5 in the league. We were breaking records with how we were defending. Yes we were slightly off balance, but JRS's form wasn't helping that. You can't just add an attacking RB like Bogle and expect us to be as solid and defensively sound. I think Alifie as a defensive option and Femi as an attacking one, with Shacks as cover is plenty IF it means we get one of the more pressing areas covered because of it.
Look, we get that Forest lad for CB, Morton or Choudhury, Cannon and BBD and I'm all for bringing in a RB too. I just think as far as prioritise go that position would be 4th or 5th for me
 
Yeah I am proper worried about us being linked to a player who would suit this side to a tee and was out joint top goalscorer in a promotion season with Ndiaye...
He’s not here anymore so he’ll struggle. We need pace badly all over and he’s doesn’t fit that requirement does he really.
 
The biggest plus with Kenny is that it would be a permanent addition

A player who is around our typical level and would be a decent option for years to come. A good signing for the championship

It could obstruct Seriki though, which I'd rather avoid as he probably has a higher ceiling
 
I'm presuming we are expected to play Gilchrist at RB, for the most part, so I don't quite see how this fits. Kenny isn't coming here to be back-up. Chelsea aren't loaning us a player who played for them last season to sit on a bench or play in a different position.
 
The biggest plus with Kenny is that it would be a permanent addition

A player who is around our typical level and would be a decent option for years to come. A good signing for the championship

It could obstruct Seriki though, which I'd rather avoid as he probably has a higher ceiling
Then he gets past him and Kenny is then backup or moved on, but that’s at least a season or two away.
He’s out of contract so much lower fee, his wage demands are unlikely to be outside our squad level so you get a decent solid pro, for the level we’ve been at for the past 6-7 seasons for a limited outlay.
More importantly it strengthens our options in two positions, right back and centre half.
 
What does natural RB mean? He was part of the best back 4/5 in the league. We were breaking records with how we were defending.
Even when we were doing so well defensively Gilchrist was clearly a weak link for me. I completely agree with the poster about not looking like a natural RB. He was still learning how to play the position, ie. how to make overlapping runs, which players to commit to when the opposition is attacking, how to even receive the ball at right back and where to look. There are so many little things. That’s without getting into basic things he wasn’t getting right such as shutting down wingers well. The difference in how he defends his wing vs someone like Baldock is night and day. I’ve no idea the plan for Gilchrist long-term - for me he’s destined to be playing his career in the lower leagues (Champ at best) - but he will only ever at best be a passenger in a good defence for us right now.
 
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This is a big plus if we can get this done. He will definitely improve the team. Has 5 assists in 17 matches which is a very good record from RB. Still gut a few years left in him and he's played at the top level. Whether it means Gilchrist goes central we'll just have to wait and see.
 

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