Incoming? Jonjoe Kenny

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Thrice said:
Not in their squad today.
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Very sad for him. He wanted to say goodbye to the fans but he’s not even on the subs bench.

Hertha Berlin are currently losing 0-1 at home to Hamburg. They are currently just below mid table in the German 2nd division and it’s looking like a dead season for them as like they won’t be involved in promotion or relegation.

Still think Kenny will end up coming, you don’t keep an unhappy player for the last few months of his contract especially when that player has given so much service to the club.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Very sad for him. He wanted to say goodbye to the fans but he’s not even on the subs bench.

Hertha Berlin are currently losing 0-1 at home to Hamburg. They are currently just below mid table in the German 2nd division and it’s looking like a dead season for them as like they won’t be involved in promotion or relegation.

Still think Kenny will end up coming, you don’t keep an unhappy player for the last few months of his contract especially when that player has given so much service to the club.
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I think if anything him not featuring today signals that a move is all but done. If they do hope to get promoted this is a big game for them where they would desperately need him.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Very sad for him. He wanted to say goodbye to the fans but he’s not even on the subs bench.

Hertha Berlin are currently losing 0-1 at home to Hamburg. They are currently just below mid table in the German 2nd division and it’s looking like a dead season for them as like they won’t be involved in promotion or relegation.

Still think Kenny will end up coming, you don’t keep an unhappy player for the last few months of his contract especially when that player has given so much service to the club.
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Unless you’re German
 
JJK spent his entire Everton career being back up to Seamus Coleman (no shame in that as Coleman was levels above JJK), moved to another country and established himself as a consistent first team RB for Hertha Berlin.

While Seriki and Gilchrist have both been good this season (Alfie has dropped off in the last few games), neither of them are experienced RB's like JJK and it shows sometimes.

It's the same thing with Choudhury and Peck, in Choudhury we're getting an experienced CM to compete with Peck who hasn't got that same level of experience.
 
cahill said:
This lad joining us then ?
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The fact that he wasn't included in Hertha's squad last night, in light of his public statement, and despite reports which claim they are reluctant to part with him, suggests there has been some sort of movement. Although he may well have picked up an injury in training for all we know.
 
Stretch said:
The fact that he wasn't included in Hertha's squad last night, in light of his public statement, and despite reports which claim they are reluctant to part with him, suggests there has been some sort of movement. Although he may well have picked up an injury in training for all we know.
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No injury. Their manager was asked why he wasn't in their squad and this is what he said:

“That's because I spoke to him and he said he doesn't feel able to give 100 percent. The game is too important, that’s why he’s not in the squad.”

Seems it's only on the clubs coming to an agreement now.
 
Thrice said:
No injury. Their manager was asked why he wasn't in their squad and this is what he said:

“That's because I spoke to him and he said he doesn't feel able to give 100 percent. The game is too important, that’s why he’s not in the squad.”

Seems it's only on the clubs coming to an agreement now.
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I can see their fans turning on him quite quickly if this carries on, which would be a real shame as he seems to be popular. Whenever players seemingly down tools, it doesn't go down well in the stands.

Seems like Hertha would be cutting off their nose to spite their face now, if they won't agree to a fee.
 
It does seem a bit hypocritical in my view. A lot of our fans (me included) decided we didn't like Aaron Ramadale as he decided that he wouldn't play away at WBA despite being under contract with us for a number of years. It was very unprofessional, and it dropped his fellow players in the shit on the night. Quite rightly he was castigated for it but the club has its hands tied then and we had to negotiate with Arsenal and get the move done. He fecked off and he can imo keep fecking off and I don't really want to see his mug again at BDTBL.

With JJK he has decided he wasn't in the right frame of mind to play last night apparently. Is there any difference really ? I suppose the fact that he has only a few months left on his contract is the difference here (if he was to get an injury now then that might balls up his future move and earning potential) so I do get it on this occasion. That said, it still doesn't sit right with me that a player can just decide to down tools and force a move when he was quite happy to sign thr contract with his existing club and they would have obligations to keep paying him to the end of his contract with them if he has been injured.

Morgan Whittaker didn't come out of his move to Boro looking to good either with his np show the other night. He's got his wish so won't really care now, but it is still unprofessional. Suppose it's modern football now with so much money at stake.
 
Weasel said:
It does seem a bit hypocritical in my view. A lot of our fans (me included) decided we didn't like Aaron Ramadale as he decided that he wouldn't play away at WBA despite being under contract with us for a number of years. It was very unprofessional, and it dropped his fellow players in the shit on the night. Quite rightly he was castigated for it but the club has its hands tied then and we had to negotiate with Arsenal and get the move done. He fecked off and he can imo keep fecking off and I don't really want to see his mug again at BDTBL.

With JJK he has decided he wasn't in the right frame of mind to play last night apparently. Is there any difference really ? I suppose the fact that he has only a few months left on his contract is the difference here (if he was to get an injury now then that might balls up his future move and earning potential) so I do get it on this occasion. That said, it still doesn't sit right with me that a player can just decide to down tools and force a move when he was quite happy to sign thr contract with his existing club and they would have obligations to keep paying him to the end of his contract with them if he has been injured.

Morgan Whittaker didn't come out of his move to Boro looking to good either with his np show the other night. He's got his wish so won't really care now, but it is still unprofessional. Suppose it's modern football now with so much money at stake.
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I don't disagree. A player trying to force his way out of a club is never a good look.

But it does seem that part of the problem here is that his club hasn't really made it clear what their intentions are. Do they want to keep him? Are they just trying to negotiate a better fee? I can see why that's frustrating for a player, not knowing whether he'll be allowed to leave or not.
 
Thrice said:
No injury. Their manager was asked why he wasn't in their squad and this is what he said:

“That's because I spoke to him and he said he doesn't feel able to give 100 percent. The game is too important, that’s why he’s not in the squad.”

Seems it's only on the clubs coming to an agreement now.
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I've never really understood these situations - how can the player say that to his manager when he's under contract ?
I suppose the answer might be that the club would be entitled to terminate his contract for breach , but then he'll leave anyway and they'd get no fee.

The players really do have the power over the club , don't they ?
 
Keen Blade said:
I've never really understood these situations - how can the player say that to his manager when he's under contract ?
I suppose the answer might be that the club would be entitled to terminate his contract for breach , but then he'll leave anyway and they'd get no fee.

The players really do have the power over the club , don't they ?
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Yeah, as soon as a player is in the last year of his contract he has all the power. That's why most clubs rather sell a player before letting that happen.
 
Thrice said:
Yeah, as soon as a player is in the last year of his contract he has all the power. That's why most clubs rather sell a player before letting that happen.
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Seems to me it doesn't matter how far through his contract the player is - if he knows a club want to sign him and he wants to go , he just refuses to play , gets sacked for breach , then gets his wish anyway !
 
Weasel said:
It does seem a bit hypocritical in my view. A lot of our fans (me included) decided we didn't like Aaron Ramadale as he decided that he wouldn't play away at WBA despite being under contract with us for a number of years. It was very unprofessional, and it dropped his fellow players in the shit on the night. Quite rightly he was castigated for it but the club has its hands tied then and we had to negotiate with Arsenal and get the move done. He fecked off and he can imo keep fecking off and I don't really want to see his mug again at BDTBL.

With JJK he has decided he wasn't in the right frame of mind to play last night apparently. Is there any difference really ? I suppose the fact that he has only a few months left on his contract is the difference here (if he was to get an injury now then that might balls up his future move and earning potential) so I do get it on this occasion. That said, it still doesn't sit right with me that a player can just decide to down tools and force a move when he was quite happy to sign thr contract with his existing club and they would have obligations to keep paying him to the end of his contract with them if he has been injured.

Morgan Whittaker didn't come out of his move to Boro looking to good either with his np show the other night. He's got his wish so won't really care now, but it is still unprofessional. Suppose it's modern football now with so much money at stake.
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I don't want a player who will decide he's not going to play because he wants a move. The fact he went public about wanting a move to us is also a huge red flag.

It's hypocritical to slag Ramsdale or Whittaker off but then say nothing about this.
 

robbiez666 said:
I don't want a player who will decide he's not going to play because he wants a move. The fact he went public about wanting a move to us is also a huge red flag.

It's hypocritical to slag Ramsdale or Whittaker off but then say nothing about this.
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Hes in the last few months of his contract and wants to come back home and is obviously unsettled with regards to his future

Ramsdale probably had 2/3 years left on his contract Im assuming so did Whittaker there is a difference
 
Pedro Verde said:
Hes in the last few months of his contract and wants to come back home and is obviously unsettled with regards to his future

Ramsdale probably had 2/3 years left on his contract Im assuming so did Whittaker there is a difference
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A contract's a contract, regardless of how long is left. He can speak to clubs regarding a move in the summer now. I don't really see the difference.

There's one things saying he wants to return to the UK due to his young family. It's another saying he wants to join us.

If one of our players did it, the board would be up in arms. Like, say, Iliman Ndiaye.
 
robbiez666 said:
A contract's a contract, regardless of how long is left. He can speak to clubs regarding a move in the summer now. I don't really see the difference.

There's one things saying he wants to return to the UK due to his young family. It's another saying he wants to join us.

If one of our players did it, the board would be up in arms. Like, say, Iliman Ndiaye.
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You do know contracts in football don't mean a lot ,it's money that talks
 
robbiez666 said:
I don't want a player who will decide he's not going to play because he wants a move. The fact he went public about wanting a move to us is also a huge red flag.

It's hypocritical to slag Ramsdale or Whittaker off but then say nothing about this.
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Tbf I think Ramsdale gets the stick because of the stuff he ended up saying on that podcast.
 
robbiez666 said:
A contract's a contract, regardless of how long is left. He can speak to clubs regarding a move in the summer now. I don't really see the difference.

There's one things saying he wants to return to the UK due to his young family. It's another saying he wants to join us.

If one of our players did it, the board would be up in arms. Like, say, Iliman Ndiaye.
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If he doesnt come to us in this window the opportunity may have passed him by in the summer
His club should make it clear to him if he is allowed to leave this window Im sure if they categorically said no he would knuckle down and see the rest of his contract out for the last 4 months
 
Stretch said:
I am really happy with both Choudhury and JJK coming in, but the piss blanket is staying firmly on until we sign a decent CB mate ;)
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I think there will be another defender through the door, if Wilder sees what we see he will be dropping Robinson and never playing Burrows in midfield again, otherwise his employers will see he's managing the team in negligent manner and sack him. He won't have helped his cause talking about renewing Robinsons deal.
 
Pollingtonblade said:
I think there will be another defender through the door, if Wilder sees what we see he will be dropping Robinson and never playing Burrows in midfield again, otherwise his employers will see he's managing the team in negligent manner and sack him. He won't have helped his cause talking about renewing Robinsons deal.
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I really hope you are correct but do you think his employers are actually in a position to detect and/or understand his mistakes and/or deficiencies ?
Do they have a "football man" observing CW's decisions or do they just look at results ?
Will they suss that 3'games have proved Burrows shouldn't play MF ?
Will they suss that Robbo is a loyal servant but not the standard we need ?
It comes back to the age-old football question - who manages the manager ?
It can't be Bettis , coz it's not within his experience , despite being CEO.
So this is where football departs from other businesses (where the overall performance is firmly the responsibility of the CEO).
CW rules the roost at the Lane and I don't see Alan Knill having much influence even if he thought CW was going wrong.
 

Keen Blade said:
I really hope you are correct but do you think his employers are actually in a position to detect and/or understand his mistakes and/or deficiencies ?
Do they have a "football man" observing CW's decisions or do they just look at results ?
Will they suss that 3'games have proved Burrows shouldn't play MF ?
Will they suss that Robbo is a loyal servant but not the standard we need ?
It comes back to the age-old football question - who manages the manager ?
It can't be Bettis , coz it's not within his experience , despite being CEO.
So this is where football departs from other businesses (where the overall performance is firmly the responsibility of the CEO).
CW rules the roost at the Lane and I don't see Alan Knill having much influence even if he thought CW was going wrong.
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David Blunkett could see that Burrows doesn't work in midfield
 
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