Outgoing? John Lunsdtram

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Isaw Joeshaw said:
He's not a kid anymore and I hope you're right when you say we've not seen the best of him , since so far , that's been very little .

When Tony Currie joined us as a virtually unknown 18 year old with none of the experience that Berge has had , he showed more in his first 45 mins. than the latter has in the 15 or so games he has played .

I'm all for being patient with new players but there comes a time when you have to ask the question as to how good they really are .

So far in his case , my answer would be not very and to put it in perspective , I would argue that in the few chances that he had Mo Besic was much more effective in the role than Berge has been and he is only a bit part player for Everton.

For me , this lad needs to improve significantly in order to justify that he is worth anywhere near the money we paid for him . I sincerely hope he does so but from what I've seen so far , I won't be betting on it .
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I was there for TC's debut and will never forget it.
 

TC had that edgy character, like Marsh, Bowles, Hudson, Worthington and of course George Best - they milked the entertainment value of their performance.

Sander’s playing character is much more a Bobby Moore - smooth, unruffled, nothing showy, just quietly professional. Hence, his impact will never be as evident as that of one of the showmen.

The great asset that both TC and Sander share is that they are/were almost never knocked off the ball, and hence never feel the need to rush a pass.

They both have a fantastic football brain. They are both magic to me.
 
They would be good as a partnership. Sander IMO is clearly a modern line breaking defensive midfielder. To introduce him into a wide box to box role was a really big ask especially as its his first time being exposed to the pace and power of the premier league. Wilder has said himself that Berge will play deeper but Im still curious as to whether he will start in Norwoods place or if we will have a tweak in shape to play in a double pivot which Berge is more familiar with. ⚔️
 
There isn't anyone out there who is a bigger fan of TC than myself, but I am not sure judging players against this giant of SUFC is the right thing to do. Berge does look class & I have high hopes for him but he has a long way to go to get anywhere near the heights TC achieved. I actually think CWAK will tweak the formation a little to get Berge the centre point of the team, but even that will be at least a two stage tweak because I cannot see us dropping Norwood any time soon, so I can see us using a double pivot in midfield as the first part of that shift.
 
For clarification , I was not in any way intending to compare Berg with TC overall . That would be very foolish indeed since very few footballer's I have ever seen compare with the great man .

I was trying to make the point (badly it seems) that players who have turned out to be extremely good for us have almost always shown that this was going to be the case very early in their time with us . I'm thinking here about the likes of Michael Brown , Glen Cockerill etc .

Apart from a few brief moments I'm not seeing this in SB and I find this worrying as I was hoping and expecting him to fall into the extremely good category . There is still time of course and I hope my fears are unfounded .
 
ucandomagic said:
TC had that edgy character, like Marsh, Bowles, Hudson, Worthington and of course George Best - they milked the entertainment value of their performance.

Sander’s playing character is much more a Bobby Moore - smooth, unruffled, nothing showy, just quietly professional. Hence, his impact will never be as evident as that of one of the showmen.

The great asset that both TC and Sander share is that they are/were almost never knocked off the ball, and hence never feel the need to rush a pass.

They both have a fantastic football brain. They are both magic to me.
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Never realised Sander was that good ? I hope you're right, although he started to look the part towards the back end.
 
Isaw Joeshaw said:
For clarification , I was not in any way intending to compare Berg with TC overall . That would be very foolish indeed since very few footballer's I have ever seen compare with the great man .

I was trying to make the point (badly it seems) that players who have turned out to be extremely good for us have almost always shown that this was going to be the case very early in their time with us . I'm thinking here about the likes of Michael Brown , Glen Cockerill etc .

Apart from a few brief moments I'm not seeing this in SB and I find this worrying as I was hoping and expecting him to fall into the extremely good category . There is still time of course and I hope my fears are unfounded .
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Did Currie ,cockerill and brown sign from a foreign league ?
 
Isaw Joeshaw said:
For clarification , I was not in any way intending to compare Berg with TC overall . That would be very foolish indeed since very few footballer's I have ever seen compare with the great man .

I was trying to make the point (badly it seems) that players who have turned out to be extremely good for us have almost always shown that this was going to be the case very early in their time with us . I'm thinking here about the likes of Michael Brown , Glen Cockerill etc .

Apart from a few brief moments I'm not seeing this in SB and I find this worrying as I was hoping and expecting him to fall into the extremely good category . There is still time of course and I hope my fears are unfounded .
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Whilst I wouldn't disagree with the overall point there's also a catalogue of players that weren't initially'rated' by many (& indeed for a prolonged period) most recently Coutts, Bash Didsy
I have an immortal memory of a (John Street) terrace expert opining:-
Edwards you idle bastard, all tha does is score !
 
Getting back to Lunny , have we had a bid for him yet ?
I thought his agent had 4 PL clubs all lined up ?
Be a fine kettle of fish if no bids come in !
Is that why CW has said he can still sign our new terms if he wants to stay ?
 
Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn said:
Whilst I wouldn't disagree with the overall point there's also a catalogue of players that weren't initially'rated' by many (& indeed for a prolonged period) most recently Coutts, Bash Didsy
I have an immortal memory of a (John Street) terrace expert opining:-
Edwards you idle bastard, all tha does is score !
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And Lunny for that matter
 
Weneverscorefromcorners said:
And Lunny for that matter
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Whilst I wholeheartedly agree, I 'bottled it' re JL given the re-emergence of the he's (always been) shite brigade as above - I do wonder how many of these detractors were also those giving Bash & Coutts pelters - I suspect there will be a close correlation (ie half the South Stand, & by definition anyone /everyone that sits within 30 yards of me)
 
When Adkins was manager in the pub league, the last time I watched blades live, I always thought Basham was our most capable and versatile player. Not much competition for him in those days of course. It took Wilder to combine his obvious quality, versatility and great engine, in his current role.
As far as Lundstram is concerned I think he peaked first half of last season, found it tough, and did not get the reward he, and his agent thought he was worth. Hence his decline in form.
I have to agree with Wilder, that Lundstram is not yet worth anywhere near the package that Fleck and Norwood are on.
Buckle down and show more of your worth, or move on for more money elsewhere.
 
Keen Blade said:
Is that why CW has said he can still sign our new terms if he wants to stay ?
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He’s our player for anothr 12 months come what may. We took the extension on his contract I believe. In his interest to have a blinding year, that’s how you get a better deal with Wilder.
That said I still think our supposed ‘wage strategy’ could be our undoing. We won’t attract the right players if we think we can do it on the cheap. Market forces dictate where the cream goes in all walks of life.
 

Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn said:
Whilst I wholeheartedly agree, I 'bottled it' re JL given the re-emergence of the he's (always been) shite brigade as above - I do wonder how many of these detractors were also those giving Bash & Coutts pelters - I suspect there will be a close correlation (ie half the South Stand, & by definition anyone /everyone that sits within 30 yards of me)
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In fairness to may fans, CWAK took their time to believe in Lundstram. In our promotion season lunny only played 409 minutes of football despite starting the season in the team. That's slightly less than Scott Hogan and 60 minutes more than Marvin Johnson

He was much better at the start of last season but in his 3 years at the club he's looked very good for 4 months. I'd be happy to have a player of his abilities in the squad this season but if we could sign good player from the Championship I'd be equally satisfied
 
Isaw Joeshaw said:
I was trying to make the point (badly it seems) that players who have turned out to be extremely good for us have almost always shown that this was going to be the case very early in their time with us . I'm thinking here about the likes of Michael Brown , Glen Cockerill etc .
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None of Stevens, Basham or Coutts followed that particular rule, so there's hope yet for Berge.
 
Isaw Joeshaw said:
For clarification , I was not in any way intending to compare Berg with TC overall . That would be very foolish indeed since very few footballer's I have ever seen compare with the great man .

I was trying to make the point (badly it seems) that players who have turned out to be extremely good for us have almost always shown that this was going to be the case very early in their time with us . I'm thinking here about the likes of Michael Brown , Glen Cockerill etc .

Apart from a few brief moments I'm not seeing this in SB and I find this worrying as I was hoping and expecting him to fall into the extremely good category . There is still time of course and I hope my fears are unfounded .
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Come on people, be honest. Who wanted rid of JOC after the first 3 or 4 games?
 
Who is most likely to take him? With no information whatsoever I'm going for Everton.
 
Still no bids !
I wonder if CW has set a minimum fee below which he'll refuse to sell ?
At this rate , it could end up a free transfer , unless 2 clubs come in for him !
 
Keen Blade said:
Still no bids !
I wonder if CW has set a minimum fee below which he'll refuse to sell ?
At this rate , it could end up a free transfer , unless 2 clubs come in for him !
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Having no bids means no one has offered even a quid so what we will accept is anybodies guess.The transfer market will go apeshit towards the end of September.
 
Keen Blade said:
Still no bids !
I wonder if CW has set a minimum fee below which he'll refuse to sell ?
At this rate , it could end up a free transfer , unless 2 clubs come in for him !
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...or he could grab a 12 month contract for less money at Wigan. 👍
 

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