CONFIRMED John Brayford - Contract Mutually Terminated

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Snowman said:
I think we need a poll.

Option A} Keep the twat in the reserves so he remains miserable as sin and getting older and slower as time passes. If Clough doesn't come for him before the window then tough, he knows he's not his love child.

Option B} Burn him at the stake.
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Option C} swap him for Coady
 

elgoog44 said:
If he mutually agrees so he can get the burton thing moving then we would not have to pay him up.
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Why would he? He's not asked for a move. It'll cost us.

Re earlier posts, the club are criticised for not giving players good contracts but when we do, and it doesn't work out, the club are useless. Hindsight is a wonderful thing especially when delivered with a beating stick. (Available on line when stocks arrive)
 
Marty_Mcfly said:
Option C} swap him for Coady
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HMMMM, let me see now. Player bought for £2.5 million some years ago, since which time has played 1st division and Championship football and suffered two serious potentially career threatening injuries. Swap for young fit, uninjured midfielder playing consistently at Championship level worth around £5 million with more years left in career and recently captain of his side. Yeah, that'd work. :):rolleyes:

Burn him at the stake is the better option.
 
Sean Thornton said:
Why would he? He's not asked for a move. It'll cost us.

Re earlier posts, the club are criticised for not giving players good contracts but when we do, and it doesn't work out, the club are useless. Hindsight is a wonderful thing especially when delivered with a beating stick. (Available on line when stocks arrive)
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Is the beating stick made by Adidas? I'm just going to get a stick and paint 'Blades' on it.

Brayford doesn't look happy, he'd rather be at Burton. But Clough doesn't appear willing to meet his current wages. There's a deal to be done there. But we have to make Brayford believe we're not prepared to give him a big payoff, that we'd rather keep him than pay him up. So that his options are to mutually agree to terminate his contract or to play in our u23s, or not at all. Then, we may get away with a small pay-off, say 20%.

For the sake of argument, let's say he's on £12,000 a week and Jnr is prepared to pay him £8,000. He's down by £4,000 a week. So, if he took £4,000 x weeks remaining as a pay off, he'd lose nothing. That would be our upper negotiating limit. Our aim is to get him to leave for nothing. The reality is we meet some way between the two. Of course, we won't know exactly what Jnr will be offering so we have to make an assumption.

But if we start with 'we'll not pay you off' and end up paying him £1,000 x weeks remaining, we've got a good deal.
 
Sean Thornton said:
Why would he? He's not asked for a move. It'll cost us.

Re earlier posts, the club are criticised for not giving players good contracts but when we do, and it doesn't work out, the club are useless. Hindsight is a wonderful thing especially when delivered with a beating stick. (Available on line when stocks arrive)
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We have managed to secure a much better squad of players on lower contracts under Wilder than we did under clough and Adkins and subsequently the club deserve criticism.
 
bertieblade said:
We have managed to secure a much better squad of players on lower contracts under Wilder than we did under clough and Adkins and subsequently the club deserve criticism.
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That's not the point, had the injury not happened and PL clubs had come sniffing we'd got him on a good contract. But because he's persona non grata whoever did it is an idiot. We could have given Diego a huge contract but didn't. The club were lambasted from certain quarters but they got it right .
 
BushBlade said:
Is the beating stick made by Adidas? I'm just going to get a stick and paint 'Blades' on it.

Brayford doesn't look happy, he'd rather be at Burton. But Clough doesn't appear willing to meet his current wages. There's a deal to be done there. But we have to make Brayford believe we're not prepared to give him a big payoff, that we'd rather keep him than pay him up. So that his options are to mutually agree to terminate his contract or to play in our u23s, or not at all. Then, we may get away with a small pay-off, say 20%.

For the sake of argument, let's say he's on £12,000 a week and Jnr is prepared to pay him £8,000. He's down by £4,000 a week. So, if he took £4,000 x weeks remaining as a pay off, he'd lose nothing. That would be our upper negotiating limit. Our aim is to get him to leave for nothing. The reality is we meet some way between the two. Of course, we won't know exactly what Jnr will be offering so we have to make an assumption.

But if we start with 'we'll not pay you off' and end up paying him £1,000 x weeks remaining, we've got a good deal.
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Or he doesn't look happy because he's not even got a squad number?

Hasnt Tufty said his attitude and application has been fine?
 
Sean Thornton said:
Or he doesn't look happy because he's not even got a squad number?

Hasnt Tufty said his attitude and application has been fine?
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I'm sure it has. I've got no issue with the Beard. He gave us some good moments. But I don't think CW wants him at the club so the club has to do the best deal they can to get rid off him; to minimise the payoff.
If CW changes his mind and decides to keep him, fine, I like the bloke.
 
Remember when some people thought we could get a decent transfer fee and even our money back for him.......!

I really don't want us to pay him off. After everything he's already cost us it would be a real piss take. Especially if that's right about a 500k promotion bonus, which would leave a very very very sour taste.

If we can't get him out of the door on reasonable terms we should just keep him and try to squeeze any value we can still get out of him. As long as his attitude is OK. Not a bad back up option at RCB, and he could play in games like tonight's to keep help keep the regulars fresh.

Surely we could do a loan deal where Burton pay 30-40% of his wages for the season? If they're not even willing to pay that then that would make me even more reluctant to terminate his contract. Paying him up and saving ourselves next to nothing only for him to go and help out FLN and those cheap bastards isn't an option. It would make mugs of us.
 
Ricky said:
Remember when some people thought we could get a decent transfer fee and even our money back for him.......!

I really don't want us to pay him off. After everything he's already cost us it would be a real piss take. Especially if that's right about a 500k promotion bonus, which would leave a very very very sour taste.

If we can't get him out of the door on reasonable terms we should just keep him and try to squeeze any value we can still get out of him. As long as his attitude is OK. Not a bad back up option at RCB, and he could play in games like tonight's to keep help keep the regulars fresh.

Surely we could do a loan deal where Burton pay 30-40% of his wages for the season? If they're not even willing to pay that then that would make me even more reluctant to terminate his contract. Paying him up and saving ourselves next to nothing only for him to go and help out FLN and those cheap bastards isn't an option. It would make mugs of us.
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This, as you say, is a good idea if we are going to have to pay him

If we can't get him out of the door on reasonable terms we should just keep him and try to squeeze any value we can still get out of him. As long as his attitude is OK. Not a bad back up option at RCB, and he could play in games like tonight's to keep help keep the regulars fresh.


As for paying him off, promotion bonus and a sour taste, he has a contract. It's that simple. He took a drop in wages to come here, was injured playing for us and is entitled to his wages whatever anyone thinks. We'll see how much truth there is in this "wants to play for Burton" claim if he takes another cut to play for Clough and/or does a deal on his contract. Let's also consider his career at a good level may be effectively over before branding him greedy based on personal opinion rather than facts which tend to belie that.
 
Ricky said:
Remember when some people thought we could get a decent transfer fee and even our money back for him.......!

I really don't want us to pay him off. After everything he's already cost us it would be a real piss take. Especially if that's right about a 500k promotion bonus, which would leave a very very very sour taste.

If we can't get him out of the door on reasonable terms we should just keep him and try to squeeze any value we can still get out of him. As long as his attitude is OK. Not a bad back up option at RCB, and he could play in games like tonight's to keep help keep the regulars fresh.

Surely we could do a loan deal where Burton pay 30-40% of his wages for the season? If they're not even willing to pay that then that would make me even more reluctant to terminate his contract. Paying him up and saving ourselves next to nothing only for him to go and help out FLN and those cheap bastards isn't an option. It would make mugs of us.
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Letting Burton pay only 30% of his wages would also make us mugs. Burton are a rival, we shouldn't be giving them or anyone else in this division a helping hand.
 

I wanted him to do well tonight and show he has something to offer but TBH he didn't show much of anything, in either position.

He was just average and won't have done anything to change Wilder's mind, like Coutts did this time last year.
 
Thought he looked good tonight, even better after Bash came on, he's class.

I also noticed some head to head he had with Ched after he 'scored'. Looked like there was a bond there, not like he's not part of the team unit
 
Ricky said:
I wanted him to do well tonight and show he has something to offer but TBH he didn't show much of anything, in either position.

He was just average and won't have done anything to change Wilder's mind, like Coutts did this time last year.
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He did his job tonight. That's good enough for me.

Look, the die is cast on this one. He doesn't figure in plans. He is a high earner. There must be serious doubts about his longevity in the game due to serious injury. Serious injury picked up while wearing a Blades shirt. A few would do well to remember that.

Shame it hasn't panned out how we all wanted.

UTB
 
If all this 'mess' could be sorted out, I think he'd be a very good asset. Sorts our need for a defender and adds cover in the wing-back roles.
 
Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head said:
Thought he was one of the best performers tonight. Especially when you think he's not featured in many friendlies
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He did not have much to beat the rest were dire the worst of which was lundstram, mentally and physically so,so slow. Then again give him time I have faith in wilder.

Brayford in my opinion did not look interested
 
bertieblade said:
He did not have much to beat the rest were dire the worst of which was lundstram, mentally and physically so,so slow. Then again give him time I have faith in wilder.

Brayford in my opinion did not look interested
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brayford not interesterd hmmmm not sure where you get that from because he offered us a lot wanting to get forward and attacking and looked ok at the back he was burtons player of the year so cant be that bad
 
robbiez666 said:
If all this 'mess' could be sorted out, I think he'd be a very good asset. Sorts our need for a defender and adds cover in the wing-back roles.
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The mess of course is the high cost of a player not featuring on the managers plans. Not Brayfords attitude. Which Wilder has praised earlier.
 
bertieblade said:
He did not have much to beat the rest were dire the worst of which was lundstram, mentally and physically so,so slow. Then again give him time I have faith in wilder.

Brayford in my opinion did not look interested
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Only fantastic or dire here in S2. Nothing in between. Expert analysis at the cutting edge...
 
I'd be reluctant to give him away. It's not as if he is a bad apple.

There could be some false economy here in terms of the targets which make me wonder whether keeping Brayford may end up being a blessing.

Say his wage is 15k per week and Wilder would rather have someone on less for instance.

15k per over the year is 780k. Looking at Lenihan, who just got relegated whilst Brayford's Burton stayed up, there must be a point where further persuing Lenihan isn't cost efficient. If they want 1.5m or more, then his wages are say 10k per week minimum, he has to be a much better player than Brayford to justify this move, surely?

Also, it does mean that one from Basham, Stearman and O'Connell has to drop out. If not, and players are shuffled around, then one from Coutts and Fleck.

I certainly don't think we pay him up and hand him to Clough on a silver platter. He was only extolling his virtues a couple of years back to get our Board to shell out 1.5m for him. He can't be playing the opposite tune now.

Being able to cover full back and centre back is a bonus for the team. The Lenihan bids failing and JB staying might work out for the best in the end, you never know. Look at Coutts and Freeman and Exhibits A and B.
 
I thought he was slow to start last night, much like the rest of them, but got in to the game and fitted in with the shape/tactics. I guess it is mainly his wages that create an issue for Wilder, and the fact that he stands us at 1.5 mill. Wilder has shown there is a way back in to the fold so who knows what will happen, he certainly adds cover at RB and CB..
 

I only watched the first half last night and, much like the rest, he looked disinterested. He hardly broke sweat in the first 45 and his crossing was wayward. He also looked to be sulking whenever he though he should have got the ball and didn't.

Don't get me wrong I would love a fully engaged Brayford in the team but I feel that ship has sailed.
 
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