CONFIRMED John Brayford - Contract Mutually Terminated

[sheffielder]

Understatement, his whole demeana seems to have changed, he doesn't seem like a very happy man at the min, think this so called PRINCE ort to start showing us that he's not just changed his name by depol to suit! Get yer wallet out Binbag Abdul Aziz Von Tinckle Masmood or whatever tha called, we need reinforcements!

Might be a frustration in not getting the players in for other reasons than our finance?

 

[spongebobblade]

Totally agree and a mantra I argued about last season but was shot down. In this instance I would love to know what brayford has done to deserve a recall? Does he want to play for us? I certainly haven't heard the right noises coming from him

With all due respect what has Brayford done not to earn a recall? He was steady against Walsall (not outstanding but then who was?) and he has more championship experience than Wright. You say you haven't heard the right noises from him but what's he supposed to say? We heard nothing from Freeman and Coutts this time last year. It's not a time to be making noises. It's a time for knuckling down and showing your worth the opportunity should it arrive like it did for those two last year. I think it's fair to say Brayford being in the squad/team wouldn't be an issue whatsoever if it wasn't for his wages situation

 

[BigBed]

Might be a frustration in not getting the players in for other reasons than our finance?

Or it might not?
And it still doesn't change the fact that we need to be bringing in proper proven players now, the ones that cost more than a fish supper.

 

[sheffielder]

Or it might not?
And it still doesn't change the fact that we need to be bringing in proper proven players now, the ones that cost more than a fish supper.

No it doesn't change the fact, but there is a difference to your accusation.

Bids have been put in for players including Coady which was rumoured to be at 2.4m. Personally I wouldn't naturally assume it's the boards fault.

 

[Harrisblade]

No it doesn't change the fact, but there is a difference to your accusation.

Bids have been put in for players including Coady which was rumoured to be at 2.4m. Personally I wouldn't naturally assume it's the boards fault.

And when (if?) we buy a couple of big money players, and then we decide they're a waste of OUR money, we can accuse McCabe of forcing players on to Wilder

 

[BigBed]

No it doesn't change the fact, but there is a difference to your accusation.

Bids have been put in for players including Coady which was rumoured to be at 2.4m. Personally I wouldn't naturally assume it's the boards fault.

Bids maybe going in, the coady bid was/is 2.4m, but what I'm getting at, is that decent players in these league are changing clubs for £8-10-15m we need to atleast compete, i thought that was the remit, to compete in this league?? Feel free to correct me if im wrong, but we were promised "GAME CHANGING INVESTMENT, AS SOON AS WE REACH THE CHAMPIONSHIP" big Kevs words at the fans questions thing we had, and we've seen nothing, so far we've spent peanuts on monkeys (not literally, im sure we've got some decent aquasitions) but it's now come to a point when we need 3-4 diamonds! and as far as I'm concerned, we will struggle until we build a spine through team to Shaw everything up and give us what were missing!
Trust in Wilder, hope the "board" will to though, I think there are some failings in our scouting and recruitment so far, we should be looking at better players than we are and we need to realise, you need to spend wisely but properly.

 

[Champagneblade]

Bit of a worry how good we are at offloading players as opposed to getting them in right now.

The squad is actually getting quite thin.

With Blackburn and Scunny linked to James Hansen as well as Mansfield's ambitious bid, it seems only a matter of time until he departs. Brayford also seems to be a when rather than if.

It leaves us quite thin on the ground when you look at the squad.

2 fit keepers, 1 also injured for a while (Moore).
5 fit defenders, 1 also injured for a while (Stearman), one only just resuming training (Baldock).
7 fit midfielders
4 fit strikers

Not much to plan the rest of the season on. Even with the injuries back in, it only leaves 3 players supporting the match day 18. Not to panic, but we do need around three proper first team players and there's just 9 working days to go after today.

Definitely time to get a move on now or we are going to be making do. Wilder can feel very let down if we don't get some significant signings made soon.

 

[Stretch]

Understatement, his whole demeana seems to have changed, he doesn't seem like a very happy man at the min, think this so called PRINCE ort to start showing us that he's not just changed his name by depol to suit! Get yer wallet out Binbag Abdul Aziz Von Tinckle Masmood or whatever tha called, we need reinforcements!

I thought the same upon hearing the interview mate, but then I watched it and he didn't look too unhappy.

 

[BigBed]

I thought the same upon hearing the interview mate, but then I watched it and he didn't look too unhappy.

He is a frustrated man, im guessing some promises are being stretched to breaking point.

 

[sheffielder]

Bids maybe going in, the coady bid was/is 2.4m, but what I'm getting at, is that decent players in these league are changing clubs for £8-10-15m we need to atleast compete, i thought that was the remit, to compete in this league?? Feel free to correct me if im wrong, but we were promised "GAME CHANGING INVESTMENT, AS SOON AS WE REACH THE CHAMPIONSHIP" big Kevs words at the fans questions thing we had, and we've seen nothing, so far we've spent peanuts on monkeys (not literally, im sure we've got some decent aquasitions) but it's now come to a point when we need 3-4 diamonds! and as far as I'm concerned, we will struggle until we build a spine through team to Shaw everything up and give us what were missing!
Trust in Wilder, hope the "board" will to though, I think there are some failings in our scouting and recruitment so far, we should be looking at better players than we are and we need to realise, you need to spend wisely but properly.

You need to check across the other side of the City. buying players at those prices can't be sustained and the owners can only put so much money into the club to cover losses over a certain period. When that happens you get to the stage where you may have 6 or 7 players getting paid over 50k per week which can't be sustained unless you get promotion. Only teams with parachute payments can last a bit longer. Pompey away and all that but that;s not what I want and not the club we have ever been or want us to be. In regards to cost of players though let's just look at some other examples within the 2.4m range who have been sold to championship players this summer.

Tom Huddlestone - Derby 2m
Curtis Davies - Derby 600k
Elmohamady - Villa 900k
Ollie Watkins to Brentford 1.8m
Danny ward to Cardiff 1.6m

The problem is when paying over 1m for these players is that his wage will go over 10k which is against Wilder's own wage structure. Nobody is bigger than the team, so he looks for players who are affordable and won't break his team ethos.

His frustration will be in everything, but don't just chuck the board under the bus.

 

[sheffielder]

He is a frustrated man, im guessing some promises are being stretched to breaking point.

Do tell us more about these promises?

 

[Hamburg Blade]

The problem is the prices have become out of proportion to the ability of the player. This is the Championship and a player bought for 10 million is not going to be 10 times better than one bought for 1 million. It's easy to spend if the sugar daddy's wallet's open, but it's far better to be astute - even if it is more difficult.

 

[Stretch]

He is a frustrated man, im guessing some promises are being stretched to breaking point.

I thought or at least hoped it would be a combination of linos, hamstrings and lack of transfer movement? If it is down to folk pissing him about then they are playing with fire I suspect.

 

[BigBed]

Let's just pin hope on the fact he's one of us, and sorely pissed off we've just lost 2 on the bounce, were not used to that anymore!!

 

[Davalon]

Nothing to do with the defeats, this debate has been going on for some time.
The "in Wilder we trust" is getting tiresome now, it's just being used to shut down debate and comment. If all we're supposed to do is accept that every appointment, sale, selection, substitution, tactic and strategy is beyond comment because Wilder did it, then we can close the forum down now. We can trust Wilder whilst still daring to have an opinion.

Should pin this to the top of the board.

 

[BigBed]

Do tell us more about these promises?

The promise of "GAME CHANGING INVESTMENT ONCE WE REACH THE CHAMPIONSHIP", widely reported upon fella, only it seems that it isn't forthcoming.

 

[BigBed]

You need to check across the other side of the City. buying players at those prices can't be sustained and the owners can only put so much money into the club to cover losses over a certain period. When that happens you get to the stage where you may have 6 or 7 players getting paid over 50k per week which can't be sustained unless you get promotion. Only teams with parachute payments can last a bit longer. Pompey away and all that but that;s not what I want and not the club we have ever been or want us to be. In regards to cost of players though let's just look at some other examples within the 2.4m range who have been sold to championship players this summer.

Tom Huddlestone - Derby 2m
Curtis Davies - Derby 600k
Elmohamady - Villa 900k
Ollie Watkins to Brentford 1.8m
Danny ward to Cardiff 1.6m

The problem is when paying over 1m for these players is that his wage will go over 10k which is against Wilder's own wage structure. Nobody is bigger than the team, so he looks for players who are affordable and won't break his team ethos.

His frustration will be in everything, but don't just chuck the board under the bus.

Don't get me wrong, I do agree, but I think we need to look into players like these other than pulling out the little fish and hoping they can breath out of the water.
We need to bring in better players, im not for one minute saying we should spunk £10m on a striker that can't score, we've got a couple of them already, and I don't think we should pay a striker that can't score 20k a week, afterall we aren't Massive are we, but I'd like to see a little ambition in signing better players than we have.
Coady would be a nice addition, I think Bogle would be also, I'd even welcome the loan of Snodgrass from the Scammers, just shows were going to try and do what we can to stay up.

 

[Bladesman]

Just bare in mind that if John goes to Burton as expected and we end up in a relegation dog fight, then we are potentially strengthening their squad.

John offers us Championship quality and I don't feel entirely comfortable getting rid of him on the cheap and it helping another team in this division. I'd feel better about if he was going to Blackburn or Southend as part of a deal to get a player we want.

 

[sheffielder]

The promise of "GAME CHANGING INVESTMENT ONCE WE REACH THE CHAMPIONSHIP", widely reported upon fella, only it seems that it isn't forthcoming.

The world has changed fella. I think the board can cover up to 8m a year in losses. We already run at a loss, our season tickets are low so as you're an accountant, explain how they can put more money in, unless you do want us to game for 3 seasons and then cut back?

 

[Bladesman]

The promise of "GAME CHANGING INVESTMENT ONCE WE REACH THE CHAMPIONSHIP", widely reported upon fella, only it seems that it isn't forthcoming.

It was all bollocks at the time, we were fools to believe it.

Best to just look at McCabe and take everything he says with a pinch of salt. Accept we have not got a pot to piss and having Prince on board is stopping us ending up in League 2.

 

[BigBed]

The world has changed fella. I think the board can cover up to 8m a year in losses. We already run at a loss, our season tickets are low so as you're an accountant, explain how they can put more money in, unless you do want us to game for 3 seasons and then cut back?

It's the owners that should be putting money in, that's how it works at every other club, or do you live in a parallel universe to the rest of us??
The board make decisions between them, but don't stump up the cash from their own pockets,it's McCabe and the plastic Prince that are the "money men", you don't need to be an "accountant" to know that a promise of "GAME CHANGING INVESTMENT" should mean at least a bit of cash from these investors, but so far, nowt.

 

[S5Blade]

It was all bollocks at the time, we were fools to believe it.

Best to just look at McCabe and take everything he says with a pinch of salt. Accept we have not got a pot to piss and having Prince on board is stopping us ending up in League 2.

Except McCabe never said it. But yes. Do continue good sir.

 

[Champagneblade]

“We’ve been looking for partner investors for six years and this is fantastic. This is game-changing for this club," says Blades chairman Kevin McCabe

Phipps confirmed the investment will not run to “ridiculous” sums of money, adding: “Think of Liverpool rather than Manchester City.”

1 player from a Premier League reserve team on loan
1 player from a Championship team
3 players from League One
1 player from League Two
1 player from Non-League

Which Liverpool season were they referring to? And how exactly is game changing defined?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/sheffield-united-set-major-investment-2248316.amp

 

[Bladesman]

Except McCabe never said it. But yes. Do continue good sir.

Correction the board not just McCabe.

 

[sheffielder]

It's the owners that should be putting money in, that's how it works at every other club, or do you live in a parallel universe to the rest of us??
The board make decisions between them, but don't stump up the cash from their own pockets,it's McCabe and the plastic Prince that are the "money men", you don't need to be an "accountant" to know that a promise of "GAME CHANGING INVESTMENT" should mean at least a bit of cash from these investors, but so far, nowt.

owners can't put more than 8m a year in though. It's literally shit or bust for most of these teams. GAME HAS CHANGED FELLA

 

[BigBed]

So, explain the lack of the 8m, in this "CHANGED GAME FELLA"???

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Don't get me wrong, I do agree, but I think we need to look into players like these other than pulling out the little fish and hoping they can breath out of the water.
We need to bring in better players, im not for one minute saying we should spunk £10m on a striker that can't score, we've got a couple of them already, and I don't think we should pay a striker that can't score 20k a week, afterall we aren't Massive are we, but I'd like to see a little ambition in signing better players than we have.
Coady would be a nice addition, I think Bogle would be also, I'd even welcome the loan of Snodgrass from the Scammers, just shows were going to try and do what we can to stay up.

Agreed with the 1st point.

Given the 1st point, Snodgrass is probably on more than 20k.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The promise of "GAME CHANGING INVESTMENT ONCE WE REACH THE CHAMPIONSHIP", widely reported upon fella, only it seems that it isn't forthcoming.

A quote never actually uttered by anyone.

 

[sheffielder]

A quote never actually uttered by anyone.

Don't let facts get in the way!

 

[S5Blade]

Correction the board not just McCabe.

Ahh ok, So McCabe says something, then Its Attributed to McCabe, someone else says something and its still attributed to McCabe.

Got it. Thanks for clearing it up.