John Ashdown's View

[I should coco]

But the big question on here that everyone has missed is....

Why is the hippo wearing a magic hat?

That fat chuff wouldn't get anywhere near a brick and certainly wouldn't have the energy to then head it to the left and the right!

Questions need to be asked in the House.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I have always thought Ched was sort of "on loan" at Chesterfield. For many reasons he has had things to prove, the media frenzy and fans frenzy which never happened, his retrial and his general fitness. I think that his "injury" has been grossly exagerated and he's only played a bit part for a reason.

This would allude to some serious concerns around third party ownership, whereby we've effectively been weakening another team by preventing them using a player who is registered to them.
I've heard this conspiracy theory but I can't see why we'd do it, as without being arrogant if he had a flyer then we would have been in pole position to pick him up anyway.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

But the big question on here that everyone has missed is....

Why is the hippo wearing a magic hat?

That fat chuff wouldn't get anywhere near a brick and certainly wouldn't have the energy to then head it to the left and the right!

Questions need to be asked in the House.

Isn't it because its a top hat because its for Top cash back?

 

[BushBlade]

That's a lot of historical achievement and plenty of money for a 20 minute cameo for a team not good enough for a division below where we will be. Reality is he's shown nothing to justify any fee and a climb up the league


Answered your own question. Buying history, not potential and certainly not form. Might turn out OK, might not.

I must be thick as fuck because I still don't get the 'settling scores' thing. How does signing Ched settle scores and with whom?

I actually find the 'he's going to sue us' more believable than the 'score settling' argument.

And, for the record, I've never wanted him back and I still don't.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

I must be thick as fuck because I still don't get the 'settling scores' thing. How does signing Ched settle scores and with whom?

I actually find the 'he's going to sue us' more believable than the 'score settling' argument.

And, for the record, I've never wanted him back and I still don't.

His opinion only Bush. As I said, I don't agree with him on that point. I do agree plenty of our supporters have a big gripe about how that season ended and feel Wednesday got promoted by a jury, so scores to settle there. Of course, no impending trial would've seen him off in January anyway. But the obsession with him has never gone away and it's not just from the stands it's also from within.

 

[BushBlade]

His opinion only Bush. As I said, I don't agree with him on that point. I do agree plenty of our supporters have a big gripe about how that season ended and feel Wednesday got promoted by a jury, so scores to settle there. Of course, no impending trial would've seen him off in January anyway. But the obsession with him has never gone away and it's not just from the stands it's also from within.

It's the 'scores settling' that I don't get. I also think there's an unhealthy obsession with him but I can't make the intellectual leap to understand what scores are being settled or how.

Maybe I just have a different and fixed view of what settling a score entails.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

It's the 'scores settling' that I don't get. I also think there's an unhealthy obsession with him but I can't make the intellectual leap to understand what scores are being settled or how.

Maybe I just have a different and fixed view of what settling a score entails.

Probably Bush

I read it as there are other agendas going on. He calls it score settling I'd call it something very different.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I must be thick as fuck because I still don't get the 'settling scores' thing. How does signing Ched settle scores and with whom?

I actually find the 'he's going to sue us' more believable than the 'score settling' argument.

And, for the record, I've never wanted him back and I still don't.

What if you frame in a "we do what we want" context?
He was prevented from doing what he wanted to do, maybe he likes Evans and feels sorry for him. We certainly gave him a significant amount of support, even to the clubs detriment so I think McCabe can be called many things but he seems to be loyal or at least try to be.

 

[Revolution]

What if you frame in a "we do what we want" context?
He was prevented from doing what he wanted to do, maybe he likes Evans and feels sorry for him. We certainly gave him a significant amount of support, even to the clubs detriment so I think McCabe can be called many things but he seems to be loyal or at least try to be.

I think this may be close to the truth. Misplaced loyalty.

 

[Bergen Blade]

It's the 'scores settling' that I don't get. I also think there's an unhealthy obsession with him but I can't make the intellectual leap to understand what scores are being settled or how.

Maybe I just have a different and fixed view of what settling a score entails.

Not being English I shouldn't comment on the exact expression, but doesn't it refer to this quote:

“We should undoubtedly have escaped League One back in 2012, the slam dunk automatic promotion we were robbed of because of the unfortunate incident of Ched Evans.

“No other club get these extraordinary events that hit you at exactly the wrong time of the season. I do talk about it when I’m around football supporters from other clubs and they begin to talk about some of their incidents: they’re nothing like ours. They don’t have a Ched Evans issue, they don’t have a Carlos Tevez affair [who kept West Ham in the Premier League at United’s expense in 2006-7].”

That season was extremely expensive for a third tier club. I had expected a big clear out following relegation from the Championship, but Danny Wilson was allowed to keep most of the team. Evans was said to earn £20,000 a week. A lot of that team had Premiership experience and we sort of gambled on bouncing back. McCabe surely funded a lot of this and must have felt very relieved he was doing the right thing, as Wilson turned the fans, seemed to do well and we were playing great football and looked certain for automatic promotion. To see it all collapse following the extraordinary Evans incident must have felt like an injustice, that promotion was stolen from us. Being a business man, bringing back Evans, on a cheap contract this time, and hopefully seeing him do well next season, will maybe to him feel like not all of his outlay was a complete waste.

 

[BushBlade]

What if you frame in a "we do what we want" context?
He was prevented from doing what he wanted to do, maybe he likes Evans and feels sorry for him. We certainly gave him a significant amount of support, even to the clubs detriment so I think McCabe can be called many things but he seems to be loyal or at least try to be.

Plain English. Thanks. That makes sense.

 

[BushBlade]

Not being English I shouldn't comment on the exact expression, but doesn't it refer to this quote:



That season was extremely expensive for a third tier club. I had expected a big clear out following relegation from the Championship, but Danny Wilson was allowed to keep most of the team. Evans was said to earn £20,000 a week. A lot of that team had Premiership experience and we sort of gambled on bouncing back. McCabe surely funded a lot of this and must have felt very relieved he was doing the right thing, as Wilson turned the fans, seemed to do well and we were playing great football and looked certain for automatic promotion. To see it all collapse following the extraordinary Evans incident must have felt like an injustice, that promotion was stolen from us. Being a business man, bringing back Evans, on a cheap contract this time, and hopefully seeing him do well next season, will maybe to him feel like not all of his outlay was a complete waste.

Again, that makes sense.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Not being English I shouldn't comment on the exact expression, but doesn't it refer to this quote:



That season was extremely expensive for a third tier club. I had expected a big clear out following relegation from the Championship, but Danny Wilson was allowed to keep most of the team. Evans was said to earn £20,000 a week. A lot of that team had Premiership experience and we sort of gambled on bouncing back. McCabe surely funded a lot of this and must have felt very relieved he was doing the right thing, as Wilson turned the fans, seemed to do well and we were playing great football and looked certain for automatic promotion. To see it all collapse following the extraordinary Evans incident must have felt like an injustice, that promotion was stolen from us. Being a business man, bringing back Evans, on a cheap contract this time, and hopefully seeing him do well next season, will maybe to him feel like not all of his outlay was a complete waste.

Excellent post.

It wouldn't surprise me if McCabe has a lot of emotional scars and nightmares relating to Ched Evans
He could walk away and not think about Evans again but those emotional issues would still always be there under the surface.

Sometimes it's best to face your nightmares and fears head on.
If Ched plays anywhere near his standard next season then it go along way to healing old wounds. Even if the gamble fails it will still heal McCabes wounds because at least he knows he tried.

Another really important issue is that Wilder seems to have this skill of upturning careers and getting the best out of his players. We've already seen that Cheds best is arguably high Championship standard.

 

[Harrisblade]

Again, that makes sense.

It does,but it's not "settling a score"
To me, "a score to settle" has always meant "I'm going to get my own back" ie a bit of revenge.
But surely against an individual person or organisation - not the world in general.

Got to go now - and count the angels on the head of this pin

 

[BushBlade]

It does,but it's not "settling a score"
To me, "a score to settle" has always meant "I'm going to get my own back" ie a bit of revenge.
But surely against an individual person or organisation - not the world in general.

Got to go now - and count the angels on the head of this pin

Likewise which is why I struggled with the term. 'Perceived wrongs to right' might have been a better phrase.

 

[Blend-it-like-Harris]

Let's be honest here - the form he showed that season was incredible. Comparing it to the previous season in the Championship is ridiculous; he wasn't nearly as fit the previous season, and considerably slower. Once he'd shed a few pounds, got his fitness and his pace then he was unstoppable. He was playing in the same League as Jordan Rhodes but anyone who saw them both know damn well they were leagues apart - Evans was in a totally different class and Rhodes wasn't fit to clean his boots.
Looking at Rhodes now I still would take Billy ahead of him for next season's campaign - Owls have been shafted at 10 million.
As for Evans v Rhodes next season (assuming Chris and Alan get him fit and fired up) then there will be no comparison again. All these experts who trashed Done, Clarke, Hanson and others who have proved them wrong should prepare themselves for some more happy humiliation.
Let's remind ourselves that they said he would never play again. He hit the ground running as soon as he stepped back onto the turf. He threatened to upset our own plans for 3 points at Chezzy and possibly would have done but for his injury.
Playing in front of our midfield, and getting service from Freeman etc down the flanks is something I'm looking forward to next season. He won't be playing in a duff side next season remember, he'll be playing alogside Duffy!

 

[JohnDenver]

a true blade wouldn't slag hia club off like he has in the national press. attention seeking tw@t just like webster

True Blades don't punctuate either.

 

[Keen Blade]

Sorry Mate,
I know I'm not the sharpest bulb in the sandwich, but I still can't work out what the 'score' is!
Help me out here please.

McCabe , like me , was pissed off with the hysterical media effectively telling his Club whom we could & could not sign or even allow to train , so the allegation is that McCabe wants to get one over on the hysterical media by re-signing Chef to prove
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He is the boss and not the media , whom he views as AntiBlades , like the FA , Wet Sham , Martin Samuels , Trevor Brooking , and Uncle Tom Cobbley & all. So to prove who's got the biggest dick , he's signing an injured man with no pedigree in the Championship even when it was easier , 6 or 7 years ago. Understand now ?

 

[BushBlade]

McCabe , like me , was pissed off with the hysterical media effectively telling his Club whom we could & could not sign or even allow to train , so the allegation is that McCabe wants to get one over on the hysterical media by re-signing Chef to prove
H
He is the boss and not the media , whom he views as AntiBlades , like the FA , Wet Sham , Martin Samuels , Trevor Brooking , and Uncle Tom Cobbley & all. So to prove who's got the biggest dick , he's signing an injured man with no pedigree in the Championship even when it was easier , 6 or 7 years ago. Understand now ?

So the Prince is just sat in Saudi letting him get on with it? Wilder's quite happy with all of this and isn't speaking to Norwich?

That's the bit I find difficult to accept with that scenario.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

So the Prince is just sat in Saudi letting him get on with it? Wilder's quite happy with all of this and isn't speaking to Norwich?

That's the bit I find difficult to accept with that scenario.

Wilder is speaking to Norwich,is this another made up story from the anti Ched mob?

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

McCabe , like me , was pissed off with the hysterical media effectively telling his Club whom we could & could not sign or even allow to train , so the allegation is that McCabe wants to get one over on the hysterical media by re-signing Chef to prove
H
He is the boss and not the media , whom he views as AntiBlades , like the FA , Wet Sham , Martin Samuels , Trevor Brooking , and Uncle Tom Cobbley & all. So to prove who's got the biggest dick , he's signing an injured man with no pedigree in the Championship even when it was easier , 6 or 7 years ago. Understand now ?

I understand there may be a slight tone of sarcasm at the end of your reply which I don't think would be warranted, but as for your point, if it was McC's intention to demonstrate the size of his manhood by insisting on signing him, it must be a tad on the small side to have to wait this long with this little amount of fall out from those with dicks big enough to bully him in the first place.

 

[I should coco]

he's signing an injured man with no pedigree in the Championship even when it was easier , 6 or 7 years ago. Understand now ?

He is NOT signing anyone.

You've put the RS 'exclusive' together with Fatty Samuels tripe and made a sow's ear.

FFS, the transfer window is open until June so we can't 'sign' anyone at the moment, but why let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

Personally I can't believe a 'view from John Ashdown' thread has achieved 140 responses.

My first thought was .... 'who'?

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

There's a couple of other aspects to the "score settling" point.

John Ashdown's not explicit about who he's suggesting might be doing the score settling - could be McCabe, could be the other party involved...

And settling a score can also just mean the (non-rancorous) settling of a debt, which in this case could mean morally, financially, or both.

 

[BushBlade]

Wilder is speaking to Norwich,is this another made up story from the anti Ched mob?

Yes. I'm no Ched fan and I made it up. Or maybe I'm ITK. Who knows?

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Yes. I'm no Ched fan and I made it up. Or maybe I'm ITK. Who knows?

To late,I'm spreading this rumour,someone will be along shortly to say they have seen Chris driving down the A47

 

[BushBlade]

There's a couple of other aspects to the "score settling" point.

John Ashdown's not explicit about who he's suggesting might be doing the score settling - could be McCabe, could be the other party involved...

And settling a score can also just mean the (non-rancorous) settling of a debt, which in this case could mean morally, financially, or both.

Just spell out what you actually think Alf. If I wanted to settle a score with you, I'd see you round that back of Argos. If that's not what you thought the journalist meant when you quoted him, what did you think he meant? What was the point you seem reluctant to make?

 

[I should coco]

,someone will be along shortly to say they have seen Chris driving down the A47

He's just overtaken me at speed so I only got a quick butchers, but I saw his satnav was set to something ending in 'RWICH'

Perhaps he's going on an early holiday to Harwich and leaving the team to Knilly?

 

[Tunstall Fred]

He's just overtaken me at speed so I only got a quick butchers, but I saw his satnav was set to something ending in 'RWICH'

Perhaps he's going on an early holiday to Harwich and leaving the team to Knilly?

Been told he's on a Hoseasons mini break,not only Norwich interested,apparently QPR,he's got a score to settle

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Just spell out what you actually think Alf. If I wanted to settle a score with you, I'd see you round that back of Argos. If that's not what you thought the journalist meant when you quoted him, what did you think he meant? What was the point you seem reluctant to make?

Not taking issue with you here Bush, not at all. Just thinking aloud.

I just find it mysterious. Mainly because it's a signing so very different in character/type than any Wilder's so far made (& that's quite apart from all the contentious background & history to the affair).

I can't make any sort of definitive point. As I've said, Ashdown's article is suggestive. He's not explicitly stating anything. He's just suggesting that there may well be contractual/financial/obligational factors involved here apart from willingness (or is it keenness?) on Wilder's part to take on Evans.