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Upton_Blade said:
ll hyperthetical but say we do qualify for the Europa League this year and do pretty well in it. We also do well in the league again next season and push the Top 4 again but just miss out as we’re just missing that game changer player or top top striker that would see us to the next level. Are you saying the club wouldn’t potentially pay upwards of £80k a week if that player was available after 2 years of European competition and the obvious massive upturn in revenues that will have been generated?
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No I don't think the club will, it's not how things operate at SUFC. (Also big revenues only come with Champions League, the other money will only keep us competitive EPL).
 

I could be wrong, but I suspect when all the dust has settled on this pandemic and the financial consequences are realised, that there may well be a downward re-evaluation of the average Premier League footballers salary. 🤔
 
8lade said:
No I don't think the club will, it's not how things operate at SUFC. (Also big revenues only come with Champions League, the other money will only keep us competitive EPL).
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The revenue I was talking about was the increase in sponsership etc. We’re currently at the bottom end of the scale due to us being seen as certs to go down.

A couple of Top 6 finishes and European competition will see this massively increase.

I disagree on the other point. If a game changer was the difference between Top 6 and Top 4 I think they would pay it. Even average/bottom end Prem clubs have players on £100k a week. Good pro’s will be realistic and a real class act on more money than them won’t rock the boat IMHO. The problem clubs have re wag disparity is when bang average players are on more money than them.
 
Fair enough on both counts, we've always struggled getting the big sponsorship but I can see this increasing. I don't think we'll go away from our current wage structure to sign anybody because we can't compete; a while back I looked at the incomes of all Prem teams and suddenly realised why there is reference to a Big 6 and it's more to do with income than success. The difference between Spurs in 6th and Everton in 7th places for income was something like 380 to 180 million. At some point I can see us working up to 7th place but it's an almighty jump after that! Of course that doesn't stop teams competing Us, Wolves, Leicester but there are 6 teams you have to consistently better who massively out gun everybody else in the division for 3 trophies (5 if you include Europe but of course other teams to consider then).
Got a bit rambley about success but I hope we stick to our guns and do it as a team and not with primos who end up like Tevez, Ballotelli, Pogba, Arshavin, etc who you end up just willing to leave the club.
 
8lade said:
Fair enough on both counts, we've always struggled getting the big sponsorship but I can see this increasing. I don't think we'll go away from our current wage structure to sign anybody because we can't compete; a while back I looked at the incomes of all Prem teams and suddenly realised why there is reference to a Big 6 and it's more to do with income than success. The difference between Spurs in 6th and Everton in 7th places for income was something like 380 to 180 million. At some point I can see us working up to 7th place but it's an almighty jump after that! Of course that doesn't stop teams competing Us, Wolves, Leicester but there are 6 teams you have to consistently better who massively out gun everybody else in the division for 3 trophies (5 if you include Europe but of course other teams to consider then).
Got a bit rambley about success but I hope we stick to our guns and do it as a team and not with primos who end up like Tevez, Ballotelli, Pogba, Arshavin, etc who you end up just willing to leave the club.
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Agree with all that.

I think it's inevitable there will be wage gaps within a squad and it's inevitable that as our revenues increase we will be able to compete in the market for players who cost as much or more than the ones in the squad now and will be on higher wages. You've only got to look at where we got some/most of our squad e.g. League 1 and Championship, to know that it's unavoidable we are going to be making new signings and those players will be coming in on higher wages.

If we signed Messi tomorrow, (which we won't of course), does anyone think that the rest of the squad would be upset because he's coming in on more money than any of them? I don't. I think the problems arise when players come in on big money and don't deliver for the club. That's when it starts to cause issues. The most important thing about wages is that each individual player is happy with theirs. But it's not even just about money. Although many folks seem to think it is.

I really wouldn't bother my head about this non-topic. The way you manage a squad with big wage gaps between players is to have a good manager in charge. And we've got one.

(And this is nothing to do with Joe Rodon either)
 
There’s a fine balance between not having players on large salaries and not letting outselves get in the Spurs situation. If we sign more international players, and their international teammates are earning twice they are, they may question if they are at the right club - what happened with Walker when he moved from Spurs to City.
 
Joe Rodon would be expensive for the bench behind Egan.
 
8lade said:
Got a bit rambley about success but I hope we stick to our guns and do it as a team and not with primos who end up like Tevez, Ballotelli, Pogba, Arshavin*, etc who you end up just willing to leave the club.
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* Must just correct my statement above (snr moment) should read Ozil.
An Arsenal supporting mate reckons the money he is on is seriously limiting the club ATM.
 
The very serious economic fall out from the pandemic is going to have unpleasant consequences across the whole economy. Football is not immune and there will be a marked reduction in the money allocated to sponsorship and players will need to accept lower wages. Personally, a recalibration to more sensible and, in my view, ethical levels of remuneration is something I'd welcome.
 
8lade said:
Fair enough on both counts, we've always struggled getting the big sponsorship but I can see this increasing. I don't think we'll go away from our current wage structure to sign anybody because we can't compete; a while back I looked at the incomes of all Prem teams and suddenly realised why there is reference to a Big 6 and it's more to do with income than success. The difference between Spurs in 6th and Everton in 7th places for income was something like 380 to 180 million. At some point I can see us working up to 7th place but it's an almighty jump after that! Of course that doesn't stop teams competing Us, Wolves, Leicester but there are 6 teams you have to consistently better who massively out gun everybody else in the division for 3 trophies (5 if you include Europe but of course other teams to consider then).
Got a bit rambley about success but I hope we stick to our guns and do it as a team and not with primos who end up like Tevez, Ballotelli, Pogba, Arshavin, etc who you end up just willing to leave the club.
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Dont think it will change, while Wilder is in charge, team comes before individual.
We will always be looking at players to improve rather than the finished article.
Gives great satisfaction for a coach to see players progress to be top players.I think it also gives fans a bit of satisfaction also.
Unless we become a regular top 6 club this will always be the case.
Would be great for Wilder (CWAK ) to prove me wrong ,with the progress being made under Wilder who knows.The stability CWAK have achieved has to continue ! hopefully they dont get ambitious too quickly and are here for the foreseeable future.
In my opinion all players are saleable CWAK are the only part of team who are invaluable to the club ! keep em well fed !.
 
8lade said:
* Must just correct my statement above (snr moment) should read Ozil.
An Arsenal supporting mate reckons the money he is on is seriously limiting the club ATM.
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Ties in with one of my earlier posts. He's on £350k a week, which is way way above anyone else in the squad, and has done absolutely nothing to justify that salary.

That is when resentment and decline in squad harmony really come into play.

Just look at our porcine neighbours for a prime example of how overpaying for bang average players can affect the squad.

I'm no fan of Forest Fairy but he had pretty much been their top performer by a country mile. They then bring in Fletcher (bang average IMO) on twice his salary so no surprise he was pissed off. Not condoning his choice of action but could see where he was coming from.
 
Balham Blade said:
Egan has two years left on his current deal and we may well have an extension option. I'd not lose sleep over that at the moment.
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also i think he will be captain next season, or the one after that, norwood will begin dropping to the bench for Berge if his performances drop
 

Balham Blade said:
Egan has two years left on his current deal and we may well have an extension option. I'd not lose sleep over that at the moment.
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Egan, O'Connell & Fleck need to be well looked after. Those 3 are our most valuable players and should be paid accordingly.

Off the top of my head if I was valuing what our players should be earning, I would suggest something like;

£50k p/wk - Henderson
£40k p/wk - Egan, O'Connell, Fleck, Berge & McBurnie
£30k p/wk - Baldock, Norwood, Stevens, Mousset
£25k p/wk - Lundstram, C Robinson
£20k p/wk - Basham, Sharp, McGoldrick
£15k p/wk - L Freeman, Retsos,
£10k p/wk - Moore, J Robinson, Besic
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Egan, O'Connell & Fleck need to be well looked after. Those 3 are our most valuable players and should be paid accordingly.

Off the top of my head if I was valuing what our players should be earning, I would suggest something like;

£50k p/wk - Henderson
£40k p/wk - Egan, O'Connell, Fleck, Berge & McBurnie
£30k p/wk - Baldock, Norwood, Stevens, Mousset
£25k p/wk - Lundstram, C Robinson
£20k p/wk - Basham, Sharp, McGoldrick
£15k p/wk - L Freeman, Retsos,
£10k p/wk - Moore, J Robinson, Besic
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Cant see the variations being so wide.
Premiership clubs have to name 25 players for half the season reviewed at xmas.As a club and I beleave its Wilders policy to keep all squad players on similar wages maybe slight variations within the 15 -18 players ,the rest will be players trying to make the step up but will still be in the named 25.
No big time Charlie's on lots more than the others.
It's about the team ethic anybody trying to push the boat out will get short shrift ( Lunnie?).Cant see us having any player on much bigger wages than the main squad , in my opinion that's the right way to go.
Any upgrades will go hand in hand with the success of the club.
We are being run the right way and long may it continue .
 
CaptainMorgans said:
Egan, O'Connell & Fleck need to be well looked after. Those 3 are our most valuable players and should be paid accordingly.

Off the top of my head if I was valuing what our players should be earning, I would suggest something like;

£50k p/wk - Henderson
£40k p/wk - Egan, O'Connell, Fleck, Berge & McBurnie
£30k p/wk - Baldock, Norwood, Stevens, Mousset
£25k p/wk - Lundstram, C Robinson
£20k p/wk - Basham, Sharp, McGoldrick
£15k p/wk - L Freeman, Retsos,
£10k p/wk - Moore, J Robinson, Besic
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I know this is theoretical but Bash is crucial to how we play so not sure why he's worth less per week than some of the others? As for Stevens and Baldock, well they make up one of the best defences in this division, so if I were either one of 'em I'd be a bit peeved to get less than Jack or Egan. I suppose it's all part of United having to confront the necessity of paying more to keep their better players. It won't happen immediately, but happen it will.
 
itsinyerblood said:
I know this is theoretical but Bash is crucial to how we play so not sure why he's worth less per week than some of the others? As for Stevens and Baldock, well they make up one of the best defences in this division, so if I were either one of 'em I'd be a bit peeved to get less than Jack or Egan. I suppose it's all part of United having to confront the necessity of paying more to keep their better players. It won't happen immediately, but happen it will.
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They're all integral to how we play etc. but I think value is dictated by your worth on the market.

Could Basham fetch a large fee? Would clubs pay him a salary equivalent to that of Egan, or O'Connell? My guess is no.

That's my take on it anyway.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
They're all integral to how we play etc. but I think value is dictated by your worth on the market.

Could Basham fetch a large fee? Would clubs pay him a salary equivalent to that of Egan, or O'Connell? My guess is no.

That's my take on it anyway.
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You may well be right, and of course there's the consideration that the likes of Bash might not be as effective in another side, so I'm more inclined to agree with your reasons why. Now all we need is a goal scorer, or perhaps a partnership to convert chances made.....but isn't this what every team is searching for?
 
itsinyerblood said:
You may well be right, and of course there's the consideration that the likes of Bash might not be as effective in another side, so I'm more inclined to agree with your reasons why. Now all we need is a goal scorer, or perhaps a partnership to convert chances made.....but isn't this what every team is searching for?
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The big problem we'll have with this is that we struggle to play good football without McGoldrick.

If we're to go with an out and out front 2 next season then we may need to upgrade the midfield area so we have players who are capable of bringing the ball up the pitch.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
The big problem we'll have with this is that we struggle to play good football without McGoldrick.

If we're to go with an out and out front 2 next season then we may need to upgrade the midfield area so we have players who are capable of bringing the ball up the pitch.
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You can imagine that Wilder will already be several steps ahead when it comes to future planning. Berge's recruitment should prove interesting, just to see whether he'll become a seriously influential player for us. I've every belief that CW will know what he needs, both present and in future. Thing is, we're in very different territory to where we've become accustomed, but I wouldn't swap our position for anything. So interesting times ahead, and for some time I've been really keen on our recruitment. Even at the level we spend, and let's be honest we're not exactly breaking Prem Division records for transfers, but that's what makes Wilder's recruitment so interesting. Able to stretch a ten pound note and make it do the work of a small fortune, that's Wilder's talent, and long may it remain.
 
itsinyerblood said:
You can imagine that Wilder will already be several steps ahead when it comes to future planning. Berge's recruitment should prove interesting, just to see whether he'll become a seriously influential player for us. I've every belief that CW will know what he needs, both present and in future. Thing is, we're in very different territory to where we've become accustomed, but I wouldn't swap our position for anything. So interesting times ahead, and for some time I've been really keen on our recruitment. Even at the level we spend, and let's be honest we're not exactly breaking Prem Division records for transfers, but that's what makes Wilder's recruitment so interesting. Able to stretch a ten pound note and make it do the work of a small fortune, that's Wilder's talent, and long may it remain.
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I'm really intrigued to see how Berge pans out.

At present, the one thing separating Wilder from the elite is his lack of experience in foreign markets and also the handling of (very) highly paid egos. If he can nail this then he (and hopefully we) are headed for the the next level.

Everything about Wilder tells me he will get it right. He's just got such a winning mentality. He seems to always know exactly what we need to push forward.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
I'm really intrigued to see how Berge pans out.

At present, the one thing separating Wilder from the elite is his lack of experience in foreign markets and also the handling of (very) highly paid egos. If he can nail this then he (and hopefully we) are headed for the the next level.

Everything about Wilder tells me he will get it right. He's just got such a winning mentality. He seems to always know exactly what we need to push forward.
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Time will tell on both your valid points .......not sure either will pan out as we all hope ...Berge or any other potentially expensive foreign recruits.............but that doesn’t mean we can’t still be competitive anyway
 

Sheffield United and Leicester will reportedly rival Tottenham for the signing of Swansea and Wales star Joe Rodon before Friday’s EFL deadline.

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