CONFIRMED Joe Riley

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FriethBlade said:
Until someone gets injured or suspended I can't see him getting a game. I can understand if he's cover for Lafferty but apart from that position I'd sooner blood one of our younger lads if necessary than train up some Man U kid. It can't be long before Brooks gets a chance can it ?
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...sounds a bit like a loan with a view to permanent, if the lad can't get in the Manure squad?
 
Esablade said:
...sounds a bit like a loan with a view to permanent, if the lad can't get in the Manure squad?
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I don't think so - this kid is meant to be rated at Man U but is currently only playing U23s, hence his availability for loan. There was also Champ interest in his services. I would imagine there's 0% chance of us signing him permanently - the best Utd could hope for if he works out is to have him for another season should they be able to escape L1 this season.

Let's hope he's more of a Beckham/Lingard than a Twiss/Cofie.
 
Mouth of the South said:
I don't think so - this kid is meant to be rated at Man U but is currently only playing U23s, hence his availability for loan. There was also Champ interest in his services. I would imagine there's 0% chance of us signing him permanently - the best Utd could hope for if he works out is to have him for another season should they be able to escape L1 this season.

Let's hope he's more of a Beckham/Lingard than a Twiss/Cofie.
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How many 'supposedly rated' kids go through the Manure system?
Hopefully we'll get a look at him and judge for ourselves...it's win-win for the kid really if he is indeed 'the business'.
 
All this talk of Riley coming here, and I notice the comments of the MU manager who says that the only player who'll probably get a loan under his belt is a youth goalkeeper. I know that situations or circumstances change, but as things stand we do seem destined to be nothing more than a rumour mill for young Riley.
 
itsinyerblood said:
All this talk of Riley coming here, and I notice the comments of the MU manager who says that the only player who'll probably get a loan under his belt is a youth goalkeeper. I know that situations or circumstances change, but as things stand we do seem destined to be nothing more than a rumour mill for young Riley.
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Not true. Mourinho said he wanted Riley to go out on loan as he needs minutes under his belt. The article is somwhere in this thread im sure.
 
Mouth of the South said:
I don't think so - this kid is meant to be rated at Man U but is currently only playing U23s, hence his availability for loan. There was also Champ interest in his services. I would imagine there's 0% chance of us signing him permanently - the best Utd could hope for if he works out is to have him for another season should they be able to escape L1 this season.

Let's hope he's more of a Beckham/Lingard than a Twiss/Cofie.
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Agree he's easily one of their stand out players at under 23 level
And people at Man Utd think he does have potential to realistically break into their 1st team.

I agree I think there's a good chance Man Utd will want him being tested at Championship level next season.
So if we go up then there's a chance we could also have him next season.
 
I reckon the key to any club taking Joe Riley on loan is

That club needs to provide some gaurantee that he gets regular football in the 1st team
And I reckon there could be financial penalties if we don't play him.
So expect Riley to be thrown into the 1st team.

For informed comments about Joe Riley click the Redscafe forum link below

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/joe-riley.396015/

Note: He's currently got a minor injury and I would assume that may be holding up the deal.
 
Sheffsteel said:
I reckon the key to any club taking Joe Riley on loan is

That club needs to provide some gaurantee that he gets regular football in the 1st team
And I reckon there could be financial penalties if we don't play him.
So expect Riley to be thrown into the 1st team.

For informed comments about Joe Riley click the Redscafe forum link below

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/joe-riley.396015/

Note: He's currently got a minor injury and I would assume that may be holding up the deal.
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Seem to remember Wilder saying something about he won't get involved in deals like that (where you have to guarantee games to loanees).
 

Alfreton14Blade said:
Seem to remember Wilder saying something about he won't get involved in deals like that (where you have to guarantee games to loanees).
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Agree but Man Utd have all the power and don't really need the money.
Another factor is that Riley is very highly rated, even by Man Utd's high stands.

I could be wrong but you can imagine them saying "play him in your side and have him for free or a nominal fee but every time he doesn't play then it's going to cost"

Don't think clubs at a Championship level would agree this clause.
But at league 1 level virtually every club would agree to a deal like this.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Agree but Man Utd have all the power and don't really need the money.
Another factor is that Riley is very highly rated, even by Man Utd's high stands.

You can imagine them saying "play him in your side and have him for free or a nominal fee
but every time he doesn't play then it's going to cost"

Don't think clubs at a Championship level would agree this
But at league 1 level virtually every club would agree to a deal like this.
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See what you're saying, but I wonder if we might be able to pull some strings here because of the Nick Cox situation?

If not, in honesty, I'd rather we left the deal alone rather than be compelled to play a youth player on his first loan assignment week-in week-out.
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
Seem to remember Wilder saying something about he won't get involved in deals like that (where you have to guarantee games to loanees).
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Agree with you Alf. Being pressurised into playing a young player seems absurd and tactically ill-conceived. What if the lad struggles to fit in? What if he can't find the form we'd hoped for? Not good for him or us. Compare this to the loan Wilder agreed with M'brough for Chapman. A talented lad, and although Wilder used him sparingly, Chapman revealed exceptional skill and awareness, especially in his display against Orient when he scored a superb hattrick. If we can avoid loan arrangements where we're forced to play a young lad, all the better I say. It's unreasonable and counter-productive, happy to be proved wrong, but as it stands I think we'd be better advised to look elsewhere.
 
As long as it's not in the loan terms the powers in our hands as soon as the window shuts with the new rules, cos he'd be stuck here til end of season whether he gets games or not
 
After all that he's said and achieved so far, I can't think for a minute that Wilder would bring in any player knowing that he's got to play him whether he settles in or plays well or not. It goes against everything that he's trying to build here.

I think we're looking for something that just isn't there. If the kid does come, it'll be on the same general terms as Chapman and he'll have to fight for his place. If ManU don't like that, we'll look elsewhere end of.
 
It's only a theory. My suggestion above isn't fact.

However put yourself in Jose Mourinhos position.

They have this young talented attacking full back that's consistently proving himself as an outstanding player at under 23 Academy level. Many want him to be given a chance in the Man Utd 1st team. Mourinho's team are on a great run, so he doesn't fancy Riley for this season, next season might be different.

This season Man Utd clearly want Riley to be tested playing regular league football.

If a club has a player that most clubs would love on loan then surely they would call the shots.
Might not be anything official but there could be a gentlemans agreement where there is massive pressure to give Riley a privileged chance and if he performs well, then play him.

It's an agreement that's mutually beneficial and normal in business.
I would also expect regular feedback and input from Man Utd as they need to protect their interest.
Not sure how clauses work on loan deals but you can be sure Man U will want some level of control.
 
I think we need to realise that Riley is one of many many many players who could move into the 1st team. Their academy and scouting system is huge in comparison to ours and I bet there are 20 players in the same position as Riley.

This is their known u23 squad. there are about 8 players on that list in the same boat as Riley and Man Utd have a history of churning these players and spitting them out at a million a pop, just because of their pedigree.

http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/Reserves.aspx?section=Profiles
 
Sheffsteel said:
It's only a theory. My suggestion above isn't fact.

However put yourself in Jose Mourinhos position.

They have this young talented attacking full back that's consistently proving himself as an outstanding player at under 23 Academy level. Many want him to be given a chance in the Man Utd 1st team. Mourinho's team are on a great run, so he doesn't fancy Riley for this season, next season might be different.

If a club has a player that most clubs would love on loan then surely they would call the shots.
Might not be anything official but there could be a gentlemans agreement where there is massive pressure to give Riley a privileged chance and if he performs well, then play him.

It's an agreement that's mutually beneficial and normal in business.
I would also expect regular feedback and input from Man Utd as they need to protect their interest.
Not sure how clauses work on loan deals but you can be sure Man U will want some level of control.
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I appreciate your point mate, but (a) we're not a debutante's finishing school for potentially gifted young lads, and (b) the only thing that matters to this club is whether we gain promotion this season, which, by the way we've played, and our current position, looks more a probability than a possibility.

Of course Wilder wouldn't wish to sour a working relationship with the (formally) 'special one', but his first priority is to ensure that the admirable camaraderie that exists within our first team squad is maintained, and that schisms aren't created by 'special' agreements for young, untried, players who may or may not make a significant difference to SUFC's present and future. Players in form like Freeman shouldn't feel as if the carpet's being pulled from under their feet, otherwise this could create discontent and affect the harmony that exists within the squad. The whole point of any loan is whether it's in United's best interests, isn't that the only point in loaning a player?
 
Sheffsteel said:
Agree but Man Utd have all the power and don't really need the money.
Another factor is that Riley is very highly rated, even by Man Utd's high stands.

I could be wrong but you can imagine them saying "play him in your side and have him for free or a nominal fee but every time he doesn't play then it's going to cost"

Don't think clubs at a Championship level would agree this clause.
But at league 1 level virtually every club would agree to a deal like this.
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Ever wonder why Nosworthy never got dropped?
 
GrayBlade said:
Was it the same reason that we always brought the Chief off the sub's bench, even if there were only a couple of minutes left? :rolleyes:
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No. I cannot substantiate this at all and may be bollocks but I heard the deal was that we paid a small proportion of his wages if he played but if we didn't play him when fit we had to pay his full wages at £30,000 per week.
 
I don't understand why Mourinho would want a player to be guaranteed a position each week, I know he wants him to get regular football but if he's not good enough to command a position in L1, then surely that tells him everything he needs to know.

But if he is made to fight for his place like everyone else, surely this would have a better impact psychologically and would make him play better for fear of not impressing or even getting the chance to.
 
Marty_Mcfly said:
I don't understand why Mourinho would want a player to be guaranteed a position each week, I know he wants him to get regular football but if he's not good enough to command a position in L1, then surely that tells him everything he needs to know.

But if he is made to fight for his place like everyone else, surely this would have a better impact psychologically and would make him play better for fear of not impressing or even getting the chance to.
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Ah, the application of common-sense, runs through the very DNA of football so I've heard.
 

Sheffield Star Sports journalist:


Greg Bryan ‏@GregBryanStar
Joe Riley from #mufc on loan is a done deal. Been a slight delay in proceedings as he's had a slight hamstring strain #sufc #twitterblades


    1. tom duggan
⚔ ‏@duggantom 53m53 minutes ago
@GregBryanStar anyone else near ins or outs? We've been expecting Riley for a while

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