CONFIRMED Jefferson Cáceres and Christian Nwachukwu

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Awful planning.
Not fair on the lad either.
I get that not every transfer will work out and sometimes it's better to cut your losses early. But don't sign the kid unless he's capable enough.
From what I've seen and heard about him there's something to work with.
 
It was the first roll of the dice in a longer term experiment. We aren't going to get them all right, maybe we only get 1 in every 10 of these right but they go on to be huge successes and we sell them for big money. As a model it will evolve and hopefully become better at picking the better prospects.

Maybe harsh on the lad himself but as I said previously, we need to see these as extended trial periods and not traditional transfers. He's had 7/8 months to make an impression and clearly hasn't. That's football - move him on if he's not good enough.
 
Very unfair if true. The lad has moved from the other side of the world at a young age. Must feel very unsettling. I hope if he goes to Dunfermline he can establish himself. There was talk on here prior to the COH takeover that American ownership is ruthless, which some applauded and others feared, although here I'm not sure if it suggests the former but rather incompetence.
 
Imagine being a player in South America with the option to sign for a Championship team but knowing that team may ship you out to Dunfermline if you aren't match ready in a few months because that club is so badly run.
 
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Wards said:
It was the first roll of the dice in a longer term experiment. We aren't going to get them all right, maybe we only get 1 in every 10 of these right but they go on to be huge successes and we sell them for big money. As a model it will evolve and hopefully become better at picking the better prospects.

Maybe harsh on the lad himself but as I said previously, we need to see these as extended trial periods and not traditional transfers. He's had 7/8 months to make an impression and clearly hasn't. That's football - move him on if he's not good enough.
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This strategy so far genuinely seems to be throwing a load of shit at a wall and seeing what sticks. Football clubs have made a bit of a habit of doing that in recent years, some relatively successfully (eg. Forest, Chelsea). But I’d hope for a slightly better floor than the player being so bad they need bombing off after a matter of months.
 
Wards said:
It was the first roll of the dice in a longer term experiment. We aren't going to get them all right, maybe we only get 1 in every 10 of these right but they go on to be huge successes and we sell them for big money. As a model it will evolve and hopefully become better at picking the better prospects.

Maybe harsh on the lad himself but as I said previously, we need to see these as extended trial periods and not traditional transfers. He's had 7/8 months to make an impression and clearly hasn't. That's football - move him on if he's not good enough.
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It's not about that though,it's about not making your first priority the positions you know need strengthening with first team ready players,then finding out that signing unknowns then becomes a hindrance to actually signing first team ready players in a key position.
 
Innuendoandouttheother said:
Very unfair if true. The lad has moved from the other side of the world at a young age. Must feel very unsettling. I hope if he goes to Dunfermline he can establish himself. There was talk on here prior to the COH takeover that American ownership is ruthless, which some applauded and others feared, although here I'm not sure if it suggests the former but rather incompetence.
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Football is a brutal industry for the people involved and always has been
 
robbiez666 said:
Imagine being a player in South America with the option to sign for a Championship team but knowing that team may ship you out to Dunfermline if you aren't match ready in a few months because that club is so badly run.
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Where is he linked to Dunfermline? I read the stir report but just says we are thinking about getting rid to free up a ESC spot?

Can't see which clubs hes been linked too.
 
Blacksea said:
It's not about that though,it's about not making your first priority the positions you know need strengthening with first team ready players,then finding out that signing unknowns then becomes a hindrance to actually signing first team ready players in a key position.
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It's not ideal that it's effectively stopping us from bringing in someone we may actually need but I'm sure they'll have learnt from it. If they can move someone on like Caceres then it's fine by me. Fail quickly as they say.
 
Wards said:
It's not ideal that it's effectively stopping us from bringing in someone we may actually need but I'm sure they'll have learnt from it. If they can move someone on like Caceres then it's fine by me. Fail quickly as they say.
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Yes,but at this level and the level we have aspirations to get to,it doesn't inspire confidence in me that people in key positions in the club have what it takes to make the good decisions that make the difference between getting there and going backwards.
 

I'm not particularly coming for anyone who has already posted on this thread. But, how depressing. People trafficking players, using "Ooooohhhh aren't we clever" small print in the regulations.
Shifting them on if it doesn't work, as it's a one in some large number chance that he'll be good enough anyway. But, don't worry, we won't lose money during this slave trade, so that's alright then. Thoroughly depressing that this is what "we've" become.

While kids in the Academy, born up Meadowhead, are looking at the Teamsheets pinned up and thinking - what's fucking happening here?

Partner Clubs? Is that the shit what is down for us?
 
Not end of the world as pretty much all those mentioned were likely earmarked for a loan anyway? not going to be first team regulars more of a development level
 
I think there is a huge over reaction going on here, even if it is true. Maybe not the best planning from the club, but if it was a mistake to bring him in, maybe it's best to rectify quickly.

The move will also have been discussed between the player and his agent, in relation what is best for his career progression. If he isn't yet good enough for this level, then try elsewhere.

He can live in Edinburgh, which has infinitely more going for a young chap than Sheffield, and he will have a pleasant 20 mile commute each day to training, including a nice drive along the Forth Bridge. He is not being sent to a SIberian labour camp, and he will hardly be frog marched at gunpoint and handcuffed to a plane seat.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
I'm not particularly coming for anyone who has already posted on this thread. But, how depressing. People trafficking players, using "Ooooohhhh aren't we clever" small print in the regulations.
Shifting them on if it doesn't work, as it's a one in some large number chance that he'll be good enough anyway. But, don't worry, we won't lose money during this slave trade, so that's alright then. Thoroughly depressing that this is what "we've" become.

While kids in the Academy, born up Meadowhead, are looking at the Teamsheets pinned up and thinking - what's fucking happening here?

Partner Clubs? Is that the shit what is down for us?
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Seriously, you're comparing the abhorrence of people trafficking to us potentially moving a player to a Scottish Championship side? A move in which he will most likely have a say and if anything, is a loan in everything but name?

I personally think we're all over the place and the 'strategy' was done the back of the fag packet and now is being done on the fly, but to say this is "people trafficking" is fucking ridiculous.
 
Houso said:
Seriously, you're comparing the abhorrence of people trafficking to us potentially moving a player to a Scottish Championship side? A move in which he will most likely have a say and if anything, is a loan in everything but name?

I personally think we're all over the place and the 'strategy' was done the back of the fag packet and now is being done on the fly, but to say this is "people trafficking" is fucking ridiculous.
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Yep, and somewhat trivialising an abhorrent real world issue. I'm sure that wasn't the intention but come on...
 
No problem with this. Even with known seasoned signings, only 1 in 4 or 5 work, with these younger players from overseas that percentage will be much less. Obviously not seen enough for us to loan him out.
 
robbiez666 said:
Imagine being a player in South America with the option to sign for a Championship team but knowing that team may ship you out to Dunfermline if you aren't match ready in a few months because that club is so badly run.
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Regardless of talking down Dunfermline, this will be a standard of football and salary that he would not have been close to if we hadn't intervened in January so still an upwards move for him
 
Wards said:
It was the first roll of the dice in a longer term experiment. We aren't going to get them all right, maybe we only get 1 in every 10 of these right but they go on to be huge successes and we sell them for big money. As a model it will evolve and hopefully become better at picking the better prospects.

Maybe harsh on the lad himself but as I said previously, we need to see these as extended trial periods and not traditional transfers. He's had 7/8 months to make an impression and clearly hasn't. That's football - move him on if he's not good enough.
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Agree, give the process time.

What really worries me is they appear to be focusing on these sort of long term experiments and have forgotten they have a football club to run.

Selling anyone above 5’-11” seems to be their priority atm. Dint they see what we saw on Satdi, a team falling apart in front of an exposed Cooper?
 
robbiez666 said:
Bord. The owner of Dunfermline and the guy whose company runs the AI company we use
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I’m probably not the only person who has a problem with this.

1. Who the fuck is James Bord and what qualifies him to be having any say on the recruitment of an EFL Championship club? Is he about to become Sheffield United’s Paixao?

2. Why did we sign Caceres who is a left winger and also sign Nwachukwu, who is also a left winger? Signing two development players for the same position does not seem very targeted when you have limited ESC slots.

3. Isn’t it all rather convenient that we may need to free up an ESC slot so the team that may benefit, highly likely at a knock down price, is going to be Dunfermline, the team than James Bord so conveniently owns?

How is this whole arrangement not some sort of conflict of interest? It seems we are front and centre as the patsy here to take the risk and James Bord’s club then sit behind reeling potentially the benefit.

The only way I see us protected here is to free up a slot, we sell to Dunfermline with a buy back that differs very little form the sale price. Otherwise we are locked into the downside and James Bord the upside. Can he play his high stakes poker with another club rather than ours?
 

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