CONFIRMED Jefferson Cáceres and Christian Nwachukwu

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

What the fucks going on? We can’t want the Brighton model and then cry for any foreign lads we gamble on when we loan them out. You probably hear of 1 Brighton player for every 10 they import - the one who makes it and goes to Chelsea for £80m. The rest clearly weren’t good enough.

But. Not everyone wants the Brighton Model. I certainly don't. It sounds thoroughly depressing and I can't really think that's what running a football club should be about. Like a marketplace, like Monopoly, like Pork Belly Futures.

One Day, all this fuckerbouting will end. Clubs will buy players. Clubs will develop players. Clubs will play players. Clubs will Club.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

But. Not everyone wants the Brighton Model. I certainly don't. It sounds thoroughly depressing and I can't really think that's what running a football club should be about. Like a marketplace, like Monopoly, like Pork Belly Futures.

One Day, all this fuckerbouting will end. Clubs will buy players. Clubs will develop players. Clubs will play players. Clubs will Club.

I’m not sure I do tbh. But it’s brought them success. It’s brought them European football. That I do want. I’m not sure there’s a better way to do it.

 

[Blademan89]

Bord. The owner of Dunfermline and the guy whose company runs the AI company we use

I meant any reports that hes linked to them or are we just speculating?

Curious to know as if any of it is true and he is reported to be linked eith them it's well dodgy. With Bord clearly pulling a fast one, I mean I for one dont trust him, regardless.

 

[robbiez666]

While I don't think it is legitimate or right to compare this to people trafficking the English 'player farming' strategy shares a lot of similarities with it. I'm also seeing a few justifications not dissimilar to those used by people who traffic individuals as well. And yes, there are scales, but it's not a road I want to see the club going down.

 

[robbiez666]

I meant any reports that hes linked to them or are we just speculating?

Curious to know as if any of it is true and he is reported to be linked eith them it's well dodgy. With Bord clearly pulling a fast one, I mean I for one dont trust him, regardless.

linked to whom?

 

[Uganda Blade]

We can't loan him out because it still takes up an ESC spot.

Exactly. If the intention is to free up an ESC spot for Zeppelinstorm, it will have to be a (presumably free) transfer.
Let's hope we insert a Sheffield United-specific release clause or at least a first-refusal clause into his new contract.
However, didn't someone (York Blade?) post an expert's conclusion that Zetterspools has enough points for a work permit?

 

[LBA_Blade]

To be fair to Caceres a move to Dunfermline would give him a lot of confidence in terms of easier opponents which we can then bring back when ready however if this is genuinely the case, Nwachukwu seems to have done a John Darwin so unless he turns up in Panama anytime soon surely is spot is available?

 

[Blademan89]

But. Not everyone wants the Brighton Model. I certainly don't. It sounds thoroughly depressing and I can't really think that's what running a football club should be about. Like a marketplace, like Monopoly, like Pork Belly Futures.

One Day, all this fuckerbouting will end. Clubs will buy players. Clubs will develop players. Clubs will play players. Clubs will Club.

Well no, everyone in club football wants the man city / psg model but they sre few and far between.

Chelsea/forest is the next best model where owners just keep throwing money at the team and finding loopholes to be allowed to continue spending.

But Brighton/ Brentford model is probably the best model we can have for a club our size / located in a undesirable place and city, which allows us to be more self efficient, selling our top assets and regening new ones, as we wont be able to attract those other sort of owners.

 

[Blademan89]

linked to whom?

Dunfermline, is it speculation due to links with Bord and our club, or has it actually been reported.

 

[SufcBilly]

I meant any reports that hes linked to them or are we just speculating?

Curious to know as if any of it is true and he is reported to be linked eith them it's well dodgy. With Bord clearly pulling a fast one, I mean I for one dont trust him, regardless.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Well no, everyone in club football wants the man city / psg model but they sre few and far between.

Chelsea/forest is the next best model where owners just keep throwing money at the team and finding loopholes to be allowed to continue spending.

But Brighton/ Brentford model is probably the best model we can have for a club our size / located in a undesirable place and city, which allows us to be more self efficient, selling our top assets and regening new ones, as we wont be able to attract those other sort of owners.

FFS. I want the Manchester City model much, much less than I want even the Brighton Model. Just a plaything. Abhorrent. I'm happy with a sustainable by revenue model, buying players to fill gaps, with a firm view to playing those players.

 

[Blademan89]

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Cheers, stir site is shit and cut that last part off for me when I was looking.

 

[loyalblade95]

Awful planning.
Not fair on the lad either.
I get that not every transfer will work out and sometimes it's better to cut your losses early. But don't sign the kid unless he's capable enough.
From what I've seen and heard about him there's something to work with.

Its the same with any type of recruitment, not every player is going to work.

I remember Ansu Fati signing for Brighton on loan from Barcelona, think he was about the same age Caceres is now, very highly rated at Barca but for whatever reason, it just didn't work out for him at Brighton.

As you said, sometimes it's just better to cut your losses and move on, and maybe there is something in him that we could have worked with, but it's just not happening quick enough.

Ukaki is 2 years younger than him, yet seems to have kicked on quicker and is more highly rated by the club, hence his place on the bench.

 

[Blademan89]

FFS. I want the Manchester City model much, much less than I want even the Brighton Model. Just a plaything. Abhorrent. I'm happy with a sustainable by revenue model, buying players to fill gaps, with a firm view to playing those players.

Why? Look what its fone for man city, Turned them into a power house club, winning all sorts of titles and competition.

Main thing about man city model, is the redevelopment and what they have done for that area of Manchester. Then again Sheffield council wouldnt allow anything of that kind here, 1 their bitter pigs and 2 they're all backwards thinking pocket lining cretins that couldn't run a piss up in a brewery.

 

[loyalblade95]

Exactly. If the intention is to free up an ESC spot for Zeppelinstorm, it will have to be a (presumably free) transfer.
Let's hope we insert a Sheffield United-specific release clause or at least a first-refusal clause into his new contract.
However, didn't someone (York Blade?) post an expert's conclusion that Zetterspools has enough points for a work permit?

A buy back clause might be something to consider, plus some good add ons and a decent sell on should he be successful.

 

[Bladeloyal]

But. Not everyone wants the Brighton Model. I certainly don't. It sounds thoroughly depressing and I can't really think that's what running a football club should be about. Like a marketplace, like Monopoly, like Pork Belly Futures.

One Day, all this fuckerbouting will end. Clubs will buy players. Clubs will develop players. Clubs will play players. Clubs will Club.

Not while we are still here

 

[Guesty]

I was hoping this sort of incompetence was behind us - the days of chasing a manager we couldn't employ, of not realising that if a player started a new season, he'd no longer have the points to join us, etc. etc.

But no, we're filling up slots with players anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex knows will never contribute to the first team, preventing us from signing players we might need. Absolutely terrific.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Why? Look what its fone for man city, Turned them into a power house club, winning all sorts of titles and competition.

Main thing about man city model, is the redevelopment and what they have done for that area of Manchester. Then again Sheffield council wouldnt allow anything of that kind here, 1 their bitter pigs and 2 they're all backwards thinking pocket lining cretins that couldn't run a piss up in a brewery.

I fundamentally disagree with your point about Sheffield Council.

As you know, Sheffield Council have invested in a number of Councillors from Eastern Europe. While it is unlikely that those particular Councillors will ever be elected to Sheffield Council, nor serve in a Sheffield Council Cabinet post, the intention is to offer those Councillors for election to a "Partner Council".

If say, just one out of the dozens of overseas Councillors being moved to Sheffield Council is successful, then the money generated by Sheffield Council in deploying that Councillor to (say) New York City will be used to offset Sheffield Council Tax. Meaning savings for you & me. AND vastly improved redevelopment for the local area.

This new model for Local Councils is surely the way forward...

 

[CrookesBlade]

Brought him in when we looked PL bound. Circumstances have changed and we need somebody else instead, 2 managers have looked at him and decided he’s not for them so I’m struggling to see the fuss.

Doubt the lad has been sold a dream, just a chance at carving out a career in the UK and worse comes to worse goes back to Peru with a few quid in his pocket.

AI or no AI we’ve signed plenty who’ve barely made a first team appearance then are quietly shipped off.

 

[SufcBilly]

 

[Davalon]

All appears to of stemmed from the expat accountant wanting some attention

The bloke is an attention seeking shit stirring prick

 

[Blademan89]

I fundamentally disagree with your point about Sheffield Council.

As you know, Sheffield Council have invested in a number of Councillors from Eastern Europe. While it is unlikely that those particular Councillors will ever be elected to Sheffield Council, nor serve in a Sheffield Council Cabinet post, the intention is to offer those Councillors for election to a "Partner Council".

If say, just one out of the dozens of overseas Councillors being moved to Sheffield Council is successful, then the money generated by Sheffield Council in deploying that Councillor to (say) New York City will be used to offset Sheffield Council Tax. Meaning savings for you & me. AND vastly improved redevelopment for the local area.

This new model for Local Councils is surely the way forward...

Fair enough, but from my view living in the city currently and under Sheffield council, its been nothing but a third rate city. Unattractive, and hard to deal with, look at the state of fargate and other areas of the city centre, not to mention the constant new 1 way systems and bus gates in and around it.

They are well known for trying to force pedestrianisation, making it difficult to access with a car, let alone the price of parking, Ridiculous clean air zones.

Ridiculous wasted money cycle lanes, poor repair works, poor roads, dont forget that massive cock up with container on fargate, under ground bin systems that doesnt work, about 3 years to cobble 400M stretch, driving all business out of the area, no boutique shops on Moor.

That's before we get on to state of rest of Sheffield.

But I see why its 3rd rate then if they have fetched a load of eastern European councillors in - fargate not far off Pripyat.

 

[Davalon]

Club signs player from abroad. Player seems he won't be up to standard required after being at the club for a while and is looked to be moved on to allow another player to be brought in who may be.

Forum fannies talk about 'trafficking'.

 

[Working Class Hero]

Turns out AI isn't a great way to find players. Who'd have thought?

 

[SufcBilly]

Turns out AI isn't a great way to find players. Who'd have thought?

I’m no expert, but I don’t think there will have been a “was he trafficked by the Russians” filter that they could’ve ticked to exclude him

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Is this why we’ve seen nothing of him apart from the back of his shirt?

 

[dexter101]

Brought him in when we looked PL bound. Circumstances have changed and we need somebody else instead, 2 managers have looked at him and decided he’s not for them so I’m struggling to see the fuss.

Doubt the lad has been sold a dream, just a chance at carving out a career in the UK and worse comes to worse goes back to Peru with a few quid in his pocket.

AI or no AI we’ve signed plenty who’ve barely made a first team appearance then are quietly shipped off.

I quite like him but I agree with you that when we bought him, we may not have been planning on having only 4 of these slots (PL sides get more right?)

I think hes shown enough that might make him interesting for another club and in effect we will have offered him a gateway into football in Britain, assume at Championship level or similar, better paid that Peru?

Other circumstances seem to have forced out hand and so if this is true, I hope he does go onto have a good career here.

We will just look a bit daft if he goes on to be the next Messi

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

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[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I'm not particularly coming for anyone who has already posted on this thread. But, how depressing. People trafficking players, using "Ooooohhhh aren't we clever" small print in the regulations.
Shifting them on if it doesn't work, as it's a one in some large number chance that he'll be good enough anyway. But, don't worry, we won't lose money during this slave trade, so that's alright then. Thoroughly depressing that this is what "we've" become.

While kids in the Academy, born up Meadowhead, are looking at the Teamsheets pinned up and thinking - what's fucking happening here?

Partner Clubs? Is that the shit what is down for us?

Seriously, you're comparing the abhorrence of people trafficking to us potentially moving a player to a Scottish Championship side? A move in which he will most likely have a say and if anything, is a loan in everything but name?

I personally think we're all over the place and the 'strategy' was done the back of the fag packet and now is being done on the fly, but to say this is "people trafficking" is fucking ridiculous.

Yep, and somewhat trivialising an abhorrent real world issue. I'm sure that wasn't the intention but come on...

While I don't think it is legitimate or right to compare this to people trafficking the English 'player farming' strategy shares a lot of similarities with it. I'm also seeing a few justifications not dissimilar to those used by people who traffic individuals as well. And yes, there are scales, but it's not a road I want to see the club going down.

Club signs player from abroad. Player seems he won't be up to standard required after being at the club for a while and is looked to be moved on to allow another player to be brought in who may be.

Forum fannies talk about 'trafficking'.

Sorry. Probably my mistake. In my post I assumed that the FIFA concerns of Trafficking relating to Christian N were widely known and understood.

 

[Balham]

I remember Ansu Fati signing for Brighton on loan from Barcelona, think he was about the same age Caceres is now, very highly rated at Barca but for whatever reason, it just didn't work out for him at Brighton.

Fati is the latest example of a player chewed up and spat out by the Barcelona machine. He was electric when he first broke into the Barça first team but a succession of injuries has really taken its toll. They’ve been trying to get rid of him for years.