CONFIRMED Jebbison loaned to Burton Albion

[Rochdaleblade]

Why do all these other managers seem to rate jebbo but not our own?

 

[Mojo]

Why do all these other managers seem to rate jebbo but not our own?

Cause they know if this lad develops as he should then you've hit the jackpot

 

[Davalon]

Selling promising youngsters for relative buttons because we can't shift massively under-performing expensive flops.

Thanks Backdoor Chris.

 

[Roygbiv]

Yeah 6 million is gonna sort us right out and get us some quality. I mean look what quality we've got now after spending 120 million

But surely that's like saying we shouldn't buy anyone again because our last 20 signings have been shit.

 

[adamawdhali]

It seems our problem is attracting players. I see no benefit in selling jebbo. Darren smith stated that 3 weeks ago, vieria and davies were pending deals and we had agreed deal with two clubs for a winger and a goalkeeper however they didn’t want to join. The scenario could easily be that we sell jebbo and not be able to use that money as we can’t attract anyone of quality or we panic buy and get some shit. I just think it’s incredibly risky and this will only help the prince

 

[Deadbat]

The lads 18 man

Exactly. We have no idea if he is going to go on and be great or not. Evidence so far is some promise.

The current manager does not think he is good enough currently to play for a 2nd bottom team in tier 2. There have, and are plenty of teenagers that are regulars from the top division to the bottom so there is also an argument that if he was that good he would be playing. Slav sees them every day in training

We are a club that clearly needs to sell and bring funds in and noone wants any of our players.

A few clubs see some potential in this lad and he MAY go onto be great but there are a lot more issues in the club top to bottom than this for me. If we did get 10 million plusvwith adds on for him I'd be in the minority and say that is great business NOW. Of course we'd not reinvest the money but that is another story ...

 

[Mojo]

But surely that's like saying we shouldn't buy anyone again because our last 20 signings have been shit.

No, I'm saying we couldn't sign anyone decent with 120 mill to spend so what makes you think 6 mill is gonna magically sort us out. It will do nothing and again we lose one of our most promising youths and a chance to make truly big bucks in future. But I guess selling him for a fee higher than we sold Ramsdale, DCL, Maguire and Adams combined is decent. I mean those players now are only worth about 200 million.

 

[Roygbiv]

No, I'm saying we couldn't sign anyone decent with 120 mill to spend so what makes you think 6 mill is gonna magically sort us out. It will do nothing and again we lose one of our most promising youths and a chance to make truly big bucks in future. But I guess selling him for a fee higher than we sold Ramsdale, DCL, Maguire and Adams combined is decent. I mean those players now are only worth about 200 million.

I don't want to sell him. In fact I'd probably have him above most of our strikers but if money is an issue I don't think we are in a position to turn down a big bid for what's currently our 8th choice striker. If money isn't an issue I totally agree that £5m is too low.

 

[Wards]

Yeah 6 million is gonna sort us right out and get us some quality. I mean look what quality we've got now after spending 120 million

We’re not in a position to rely on an 18 year old kid though, nor can we provide him with enough opportunity to develop this season. The alternative at this stage is we keep him and slowly sleepwalk into League One. The squad is in need of a total overhaul, if that’s 3 players now and another 3 in Jan then a sale is going to have to finance that. It’s like some old dear who’s refusing to sell the family silver even though the bailiffs are ready to chuck her out of her house for not paying the rent.

What’s gone before re: recruitment is done. We can’t change that. Best we can do now is try make a reasonable grab at finding some stability. As I’ve said previously - this is the turd in the relegation sandwich. Sometimes you have little option but to swallow the thing.

 

[adamawdhali]

It seems our problem is attracting players. I see no benefit in selling jebbo. Darren smith stated that 3 weeks ago, vieria and davies were pending deals and we had agreed deal with two clubs for a winger and a goalkeeper however they didn’t want to join. The scenario could easily be that we sell jebbo and not be able to use that money as we can’t attract anyone of quality or we panic buy and get some shit. I just think it’s incredibly risky and this will only help the prince

Furthermore I don’t see why we need to sell when we are only bring in loans. People will point to Watford, Bournemouth, west brom selling but they also bought instead of just loans

 

[adamawdhali]

For those also saying slav doesn’t think he’s good enough, read his comments on him. He wants him to go on loan to speed up his development so he can be our future. He also said he doesn’t want to sell jebbo and i think he said the board told him rammer and berge were the only players he’d have no control over if they left or not, the rest he could decide

 

[Deadbat]

No, I'm saying we couldn't sign anyone decent with 120 mill to spend so what makes you think 6 mill is gonna magically sort us out. It will do nothing and again we lose one of our most promising youths and a chance to make truly big bucks in future. But I guess selling him for a fee higher than we sold Ramsdale, DCL, Maguire and Adams combined is decent. I mean those players now are only worth about 200 million.

United were never going to be able to keep hold of those players in the Champ/League One. We got what they were worth then.

If Jebbison stays then unless he plays regular for a few seasons and does well, then his valuation might actually not move much. Weirdly him not playing much may see it being at the highest we could get (see Brewster Liverpool) as teams are gambling on limited evidence but the rawness.

Noone really said we should have got more money for those young players at the time. I actually thought all were fair fees for where we were. All were completely unproven at top level (all League 1 players and 2 barely played) and we had to sell to reinvest.

Of course they've all gone on and done great but none would have ever been worth what they are now by staying with us as we were miles off the Prem and would not have got there by playing just kids.

I get the argument we always sell our best young players but for the most part we are never in the top flight so have no choice. Most other clubs have to do the same.

 

[Mojo]

United were never going to be able to keep hold of those players in the Champ/League One. We got what they were worth then.

If Jebbison stays then unless he plays regular for a few seasons and does well, then his valuation might actually not move much. Weirdly him not playing much may see it being at the highest we could get (see Brewster Liverpool) as teams are gambling on limited evidence but the rawness.

Noone really said we should have got more money for those young players at the time. I actually thought all were fair fees for where we were. All were completely unproven at top level (all League 1 players and 2 barely played) and we had to sell to reinvest.

Of course they've all gone on and done great but none would have ever been worth what they are now by staying with us as we were miles off the Prem and would not have got there by playing just kids.

I get the argument we always sell our best young players but for the most part we are never in the top flight so have no choice. Most other clubs have to do the same.

They were fucking absolutely dogshit deals at the time, hence Everton bragging about stealing DCL for years to come.

 

[Deadbat]

They were fucking absolutely dogshit deals at the time, hence Everton bragging about stealing DCL for years to come.

They weren't. I feel you are reinventing history.

I'm not sure many Blades were in uproar at the time? We have struck some awful deals in the past but would not put any of these in that bracket. You can't talk about what they are worth now really as that is irrelevant to what they were worth at the time.

Maybe we could have got a bit more for Maguire but we were stuck in League One and not sure you will get much more than the money we got for a promising player but unproven in the top 2 leagues.

Adams was in and out of the team and had potential but it took him a few years even at Birmingham to realise his promise. Wilder moved him on to help fund other deals.

This was the same with DCL and Ramsdale. These were not even close to the first team and were kids. We needed senior pros and people to get us out of League One...it allowed us to bring in O' Connell, Fleck, Moore etc

I can't recall any United fans saying we should have got more for DCL.

Most Everton fans also thought he was poor the first few years.

All have gone onto be great but were not going to get close to the levels they have got to by staying at United in League One.

What was your opinion on the Slew sale by the way? Was that a great deal just because he did nothing 5 years later?

 

[Mojo]

They weren't. I feel you are reinventing history.

I'm not sure many Blades were in uproar at the time? We have struck some awful deals in the past but would not put any of these in that bracket. You can't talk about what they are worth now really as that is irrelevant to what they were worth at the time.

Maybe we could have got a bit more for Maguire but we were stuck in League One and not sure you will get much more than the money we got for a promising player but unproven in the top 2 leagues.

Adams was in and out of the team and had potential but it took him a few years even at Birmingham to realise his promise. Wilder moved him on to help fund other deals.

This was the same with DCL and Ramsdale. These were not even close to the first team and were kids. We needed senior pros and people to get us out of League One...it allowed us to bring in O' Connell, Fleck, Moore etc

I can't recall any United fans saying we should have got more for DCL.

Most Everton fans also thought he was poor the first few years.

All have gone onto be great but were not going to get close to the levels they have got to by staying at United in League One.

What was your opinion on the Slew sale by the way? Was that a great deal just because he did nothing 5 years later?

DCL was an absolute terrible deal. It's not reinventing history. Just look at the facts. Everton have laughed their bollocks off at us ever since saying they couldn't believe they got him so cheap. Just cause people on here thought it was a good deal is completely irrelevant as is Slew. DCL and Jebbo have natural physicality, pace and athleticism that, if you develop them properly, will go on to be top tier strikers, as you are seeing now with DCL.

5 or 6 million for Jebbison is a shit deal. Hence a whole host of premier league clubs are making offers cause they can clearly see the immense potential this lad has. He's just turned 18 and half of league one want to loan him. I'm sorry but I just can't agree that selling Jebbo for 6 mill is a good thing.

 

[Silent Blade]

DCL was an absolute terrible deal.

Did you say this in here when he left us?

 

[bladesfc]

DCL was an absolute terrible deal. It's not reinventing history.

You forget that the DCL money probably saved the club from administration in 2016. And we could potentially be in a similar position again soon.

 

[Shirty Blade]

Do we have a sell on clause on on the DCL deal?

 

[Yogi]

Do we have a sell on clause on on the DCL deal?

Yes

 

[Shirty Blade]

In that case if he keeps bagging the goals and he moves to a really big club for a big fee it still may prove to be a decent deal for us. I wasn't particularly happy when we let him go, same with Slew, but both departures were necessary for the development of the club at the time.

 

[FriethBlade]

They weren't. I feel you are reinventing history.

I'm not sure many Blades were in uproar at the time? We have struck some awful deals in the past but would not put any of these in that bracket. You can't talk about what they are worth now really as that is irrelevant to what they were worth at the time.

Maybe we could have got a bit more for Maguire but we were stuck in League One and not sure you will get much more than the money we got for a promising player but unproven in the top 2 leagues.

Adams was in and out of the team and had potential but it took him a few years even at Birmingham to realise his promise. Wilder moved him on to help fund other deals.

This was the same with DCL and Ramsdale. These were not even close to the first team and were kids. We needed senior pros and people to get us out of League One...it allowed us to bring in O' Connell, Fleck, Moore etc

I can't recall any United fans saying we should have got more for DCL.

Most Everton fans also thought he was poor the first few years.

All have gone onto be great but were not going to get close to the levels they have got to by staying at United in League One.

What was your opinion on the Slew sale by the way? Was that a great deal just because he did nothing 5 years later?

A number of us said the DCL deal was appalling at the time. It wasn't because I thought he'd become a top striker or an international...it was because when a top Premier league team come calling for a young, English centre forward you don't sell for less than 1m quid ( which is what Unsworth said Everton paid). I know the argument that selling back then funded our rebuild and promotion push but it doesn't change the fact we sold him for peanuts to a minted Premier league team.

Re Jebbison, I dont want to see him go but at least the current board seem to have a better idea of what a raw centre forward is worth. Hopefully there will be a big sell on clause inserted too.

What's more concerning is what will happen with any proceeds as it seems Jebbo may be sold to plug some of the financial gap left by not selling Berge.

 

[Deadbat]

A number of us said the DCL deal was appalling at the time. It wasn't because I thought he'd become a top striker or an international...it was because when a top Premier league team come calling for a young, English centre forward you don't sell for less than 1m quid ( which is what Unsworth said Everton paid). I know the argument that selling back then funded our rebuild and promotion push but it doesn't change the fact we sold him for peanuts to a minted Premier league team.

Re Jebbison, I dont want to see him go but at least the current board seem to have a better idea of what a raw centre forward is worth. Hopefully there will be a big sell on clause inserted too.

What's more concerning is what will happen with any proceeds as it seems Jebbo may be sold to plug some of the financial gap left by not selling Berge.

I must admit at the time I can barely recall anyone saying it was a bad deal/fee. Might be worth going back on the forum to see from the time.

Certainly not sure anyone said it was an appalling deal?

I do feel a lot are rewriting history. Clearly he has gone on to do brilliantly. I never saw it and might have been one of those using phrases like bambi on ice. I'll admit it. I was wrong.

I would say when they were sold I felt Slew would go on to do more than DCL. I'm honest enough to admit that.

Those convinced DCL was going to make a top player I am not convinced they had such an opinion at the time. Easy to say it now.

 

[FriethBlade]

Read my point again deadbeat...I never thought he'd make a top player....just that accepting less than 1m from a very rich Premier league team for a young English centre forward was a big under valuation

 

[Mojo]

Did you say this in here when he left us?

No cause I wasn't posting much in here then.

Maybe if we kept him then we wouldn't have been scratching around for a striker when we did make it to the prem and end up getting our pants pulled down on Brewster McBurnie and Burke. It's a false economy selling top potential youngsters. As we painfully found out with DCL and Ramsdale.

 

[Silent Blade]

No cause I wasn't posting much in here then.

Of course you didnt, Mr Hindsight!

 

[Blade56]

I'm probably on my own but find it funny how all of a sudden many feel Jebbison is worth 20-25 million.

Because we’ve lost perspective of player values as a club and fan base after we thought Brewster was worth £23m, McBambie £20m etc

If it brings 2 or 3 in I think we have to do it!

Think we should loan him out to thrive and bank his talent if he proves he can do it at league level then cash in or use him IF we manage to save HMS sinking ship

 

[Snowflake]

DCL was an absolute terrible deal. It's not reinventing history. Just look at the facts. Everton have laughed their bollocks off at us ever since saying they couldn't believe they got him so cheap. Just cause people on here thought it was a good deal is completely irrelevant as is Slew. DCL and Jebbo have natural physicality, pace and athleticism that, if you develop them properly, will go on to be top tier strikers, as you are seeing now with DCL.

5 or 6 million for Jebbison is a shit deal. Hence a whole host of premier league clubs are making offers cause they can clearly see the immense potential this lad has. He's just turned 18 and half of league one want to loan him. I'm sorry but I just can't agree that selling Jebbo for 6 mill is a good thing.

My recollection is that DCL was a slim forward with no great pace but some potential. The price we got at the time was ok.
He did little at first with Everton, but slowly their training , coaching and his willingness has turned him into a Premiership striker.
We cannot now say it was a bad deal because of what Everton have achieved with him.

 

[Deadbat]

Read my point again deadbeat...I never thought he'd make a top player....just that accepting less than 1m from a very rich Premier league team for a young English centre forward was a big under valuation

Was there anyone else interested though? If we had gone back to Everton when we were desperate for money and said nope we want more they may have said no thanks.

Not sure there was a bidding war at all. Most were shocked Everton came in for him as was not even in our first team squad for a side that had finished mid table in League One. Jebbison there does seem more interested in him from the reports so teams might be willing to pay more to see off rivals.

The notion that Calvert Lewin was undervalued when we sold is purely based on what he has done since but it is all in retrospect. I cannot remember anyone saying we should have got more at the time. Unless anyone can provide evidence from the forum or elsewhere I struggle to believe it sadly.

 

[Mojo]

Of course you didnt, Mr Hindsight!

Yeah cause if you didn't say it on here you never said it at all right? Is that how it works?! Look at my posting history, I wasn't posting at all on here at the time

 

[nopigfansintown]

I must admit at the time I can barely recall anyone saying it was a bad deal/fee. Might be worth going back on the forum to see from the time.

Certainly not sure anyone said it was an appalling deal?

I do feel a lot are rewriting history. Clearly he has gone on to do brilliantly. I never saw it and might have been one of those using phrases like bambi on ice. I'll admit it. I was wrong.

I would say when they were sold I felt Slew would go on to do more than DCL. I'm honest enough to admit that.

Those convinced DCL was going to make a top player I am not convinced they had such an opinion at the time. Easy to say it now.

Hugely disappointed with this if true. Regular watchers of the youth teams will know he has outstanding potential.

For one million they've had our pants down. Desperate times, desperate measures.

Probably the best we could've hoped for given the contractual situation. Just got to hope the clauses are all in order: sell on, PL appearances, England youth caps, England senior caps. This kid has the potential to go further than any Blades youth keeper I've seen. Lets hope the club learns from this situation and gets the good ones tied down. Sell when they have two or three years left, if needs must.

They've given him a four and a half year deal which is a huge show of faith. I predicted on these boards that DCL would impress at Everton, and Maguire would thrive in the PL and eventually play for England (still pending).. I would be happy to predict that this kid will play in the top two divisions of English football, regularly, before these 4.5 years are over. I consider it a conservative prediction.

I watch the U18 and U23s regular and have been tipping Ramsdale and DCL for the PL for years. I think Ramsdale would've been on a lot less than the figures you quote at United, but would have wanted a senior players wage to consider signing again.. We couldn't have stood in his way (or indeed any young players) but we could have strengthened our negotiating position. Its about realising value so we can improve our own position - I don't think we have with this transfer.. Ultimately any young player that you think has Pl potential has to be signed to a long deal because the potential upside is huge when compared to the negligible cost. Anybody who watched Rambo knew within a few months that he was destined for bigger things, its inconceivable that we have somehow arrived at this situation.