JCR - Baxter - Basham - Adams

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

JCR - Baxter - Basham - Adams
Sharp - Sammon

That's the midfield & forward line from when we beat Peteborough 3-1 away and then beat Blackpool 2-0. Having been succesful it's not been used since. I'm trying to get my head around why that would be? Two of our best performances this season and we seem to go out of our way to not replicate it?

 

[SwissBlade]

JCR - Baxter - Basham - Adams
Sharp - Sammon

That's the midfield & forward line from when we beat Peteborough 3-1 away and then beat Blackpool 2-0. Having been succesful it's not been used since. I'm trying to get my head around why that would be? Two of our best performances this season and we seem to go out of our way to not replicate it?

In fairness the Blackpool game (and Chesterfield) were against woeful opposition and we've been found out since.

Baxter and basham in centre mid doesn't really work for me

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

In fairness the Blackpool game (and Chesterfield) were against woeful opposition and we've been found out since.

Baxter and basham in centre mid doesn't really work for me

And Peteborough away?

 

[Tyler Durden]

Well 5 out of 6 played yesterday (although Sammon was brought on too late to make any real impact).
We were still dogshit.
It's at the point now where any combination or line-up you use won't make a blind bit of difference.
The problem lies within the culture amongst the squad, which is harder to fix.

 

[SwissBlade]

And Peteborough away?

Can't speak of that as I didn't go, apparently we played well

 

[alcoblade]

In fairness the Blackpool game (and Chesterfield) were against woeful opposition and we've been found out since.

Baxter and basham in centre mid doesn't really work for me

Chesterfield were better than us for most of that match. We just took our chances, and they didn't.

I haven't been impressed once with us this season.

UTB

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Well 5 out of 6 played yesterday (although Sammon was brought on too late to make any real impact).
We were still dogshit.
It's at the point now where any combination or line-up you use won't make a blind bit of difference.
The problem lies within the culture amongst the squad, which is harder to fix.

Basham was in Defence and the midfield featured Coutts and Hammond without JCR. to try and claim that is anything like the line-up suggesting is just plain silly.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Can't speak of that as I didn't go, apparently we played well

We were great. The point is that this hasn't failed yet, only succeeded but has still been shelved for some reason.

 

[Bergen Blade]

JCR - Baxter - Basham - Adams
Sharp - Sammon

That's the midfield & forward line from when we beat Peteborough 3-1 away and then beat Blackpool 2-0. Having been succesful it's not been used since. I'm trying to get my head around why that would be? Two of our best performances this season and we seem to go out of our way to not replicate it?

We were 1-0 up when that became the midfield, and we scored our third after Sharp had been replaced. So that's effectively a line up that drew 1-1 against Peterborough for a period of the game.

 

[Deadbat]

Well 5 out of 6 played yesterday (although Sammon was brought on too late to make any real impact).
We were still dogshit.
It's at the point now where any combination or line-up you use won't make a blind bit of difference.
The problem lies within the culture amongst the squad, which is harder to fix.

Agreed. All the shuffling, changes and players coming back has made no difference. We need a big, hard bastard who is going to come in and grab some of them by the throat. A Booker, Jones type.

Thought Hammond might be able to do that but he has no more fight than the rest of them and has made no difference whatsoever. I actually would send him back. If he cant stand out either in play or a leader v Oldham, Crewe whether he is 100% match fit or not then it is a major worry.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Basham was in Defence and the midfield featured Coutts and Hammond without JCR. to try and claim that is anything like the line-up suggesting is just plain silly.

You're the one who was talking about the line-up.
My point is that any line-up would've failed and will continue to fail whilst we have the attitude in the squad.
Simple stuff really.

 

[Deadbat]

Incidentally anyone see Michael Tonge's tackle for Stevenage last night. Never saw him put in a tackle in 5 or 6 years at the Lane and yesterday he two foots someone around their knee cap. Straight red. Whilst his pal is captaining England, he is now playing right at the bottom of the whole league. Tonge was probably technically the better player. Another one who lacked heart

 

[Tyler Durden]

Agreed. All the shuffling, changes and players coming back has made no difference. We need a big, hard bastard who is going to come in and grab some of them by the throat. A Booker, Jones type.

Thought Hammond might be able to do that but he has no more fight than the rest of them and has made no difference whatsoever. I actually would send him back. If he cant stand out either in play or a leader v Oldham, Crewe whether he is 100% match fit or not then it is a major worry.

Hammond is definitely a worrying one. Considering how we persued him for so long, he seems to have brought nothing to the table so far. In fact he seems to be fitting right in with the non-fuck giving approach of the rest of the squad. And like you say, even if fully fit it wouldn't make a difference.

 

[Blade59]

I think any debate about formations, team selections is now pointless. You might as well draw 11 players out of a hat and the result would still be the same. Individually and collectively these players have not got what it takes. It does not matter how good you are if you havn't got the desire to succeed and improve and lack any passion and bottle.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Incidentally anyone see Michael Tonge's tackle for Stevenage last night. Never saw him put in a tackle in 5 or 6 years at the Lane and yesterday he two foots someone around their knee cap. Straight red. Whilst his pal is captaining England, he is now playing right at the bottom of the whole league. Tonge was probably technically the better player. Another one who lacked heart

I miss the days when we could just single out just Michael Tonge for disappearing for 90 minutes.
I never thought we'd see the day when we had an entire squad doing the same.

 

[alcoblade]

Agreed. All the shuffling, changes and players coming back has made no difference. We need a big, hard bastard who is going to come in and grab some of them by the throat. A Booker, Jones type.

Thought Hammond might be able to do that but he has no more fight than the rest of them and has made no difference whatsoever. I actually would send him back. If he cant stand out either in play or a leader v Oldham, Crewe whether he is 100% match fit or not then it is a major worry.

Hammond can't possibly be as bad as he's appeared so far. He's been performing at a much higher level, too recently, to have fallen that far.

He's been utter shite for us, and I'm sure he knows it.

UTB

 

[BushBlade]

Incidentally anyone see Michael Tonge's tackle for Stevenage last night. Never saw him put in a tackle in 5 or 6 years at the Lane and yesterday he two foots someone around their knee cap. Straight red. Whilst his pal is captaining England, he is now playing right at the bottom of the whole league. Tonge was probably technically the better player. Another one who lacked heart

Apparently he didn't even like being a footballer.

 

[Toledo Blade]

JCR - Baxter - Basham - Adams
Sharp - Sammon

That's the midfield & forward line from when we beat Peteborough 3-1 away and then beat Blackpool 2-0. Having been succesful it's not been used since. I'm trying to get my head around why that would be? Two of our best performances this season and we seem to go out of our way to not replicate it?

The trouble is we sell the good players, just look at them Blackman, Murphy, Mcgiure, Lowton, Quinn all in a higher leagues now, we are a selling club. which brings in poor replacements. The whole team just looks as if they are not interested, I dread to think if we ever got promoted what it would be like, just look at MK Dons, Preston and Bristol City all struggling in the higher league.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

We were 1-0 up when that became the midfield, and we scored our third after Sharp had been replaced. So that's effectively a line up that drew 1-1 against Peterborough for a period of the game.

Nice insight there Bergen. Still I'm going on the feel of the whole match rather than simple statistics. We were very convincing.

 

[BushBlade]

Nice insight there Bergen. Still I'm going on the feel of the whole match rather than simple statistics. We were very convincing.

Peterborough sacked their manager not long after though.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Peterborough sacked their manager not long after though.

We can only beat the teams that are in front of us. Swindon away we lost Baxter so went JCR - Reed - Basham - Adams with Sammon and Sharp again. Another good day at the office. Check our results when JCR & Sammon have started / played most of the game together and you'll see we often fair mutch better than when we play just 1 or neither.

 

[Blade58]

Hammond is definitely a worrying one. Considering how we persued him for so long, he seems to have brought nothing to the table so far. In fact he seems to be fitting right in with the non-fuck giving approach of the rest of the squad. And like you say, even if fully fit it wouldn't make a difference.

I get the impression with Hammond rightly or wrongly, that dropping down from the prem to the "pub league" he thinks it will be a piece of piss, but what teams may lack in quality they make up for in effort. He's getting harried on the ball hence his high percentage of mis-placed passes and caught in possession

Perhaps he's looking up and players just aren't showing for the ball? Or perhaps he needs to realise he has to step up to play in this division rather than step down if you get my drift.

 

[Tyler Durden]

I get the impression with Hammond rightly or wrongly, that dropping down from the prem to the "pub league" he thinks it will be a piece of piss, but what teams may lack in quality they make up for in effort. He's getting harried on the ball hence his high percentage of mis-placed passes and caught in possession

Perhaps he's looking up and players just aren't showing for the ball? Or perhaps he needs to realise he has to step up to play in this division rather than step down if you get my drift.

I hope that's the case, a period of readjustment maybe?
The problem is the players we have, who haven't dropped down from the Premiership are adopting the same approach, and don't seem to be learning.

 

[BushBlade]

I get the impression with Hammond rightly or wrongly, that dropping down from the prem to the "pub league" he thinks it will be a piece of piss, but what teams may lack in quality they make up for in effort. He's getting harried on the ball hence his high percentage of mis-placed passes and caught in possession

Perhaps he's looking up and players just aren't showing for the ball? Or perhaps he needs to realise he has to step up to play in this division rather than step down if you get my drift.

I'd be surprised. He's played in this league before and he's hardly an established PL player. I think he only played for Leicester 12 times last season and I don't think he's played for them at all this season.
I'm hoping he's just rusty.

 

[robbiez666]

If he's going to play two up top he needs to go back to Sammon and Sharp. That was working.

 

[groveblade]

I generally really enjoy looking at the tactical analysis and thinking about who we should pick, what formation etc..

However - after yesterday's capitulation I have finally realised that all this group of players need to be told at the moment is:

effort
Try harder
Run more and faster
Run on the ball and off it
Mark people properly
Jump higher
Win tackles
Harass opponents at all times when they have the ball
Concentrate from set pieces
Clear the ball a long way when you're defending
Shoot at goal when you get a chance
attitude
Don't fucking think it's everyone else's responsibility to win the game
Don't think you're a quality player when you're getting turned over week in week out

JUST DO THE FUCKING BASICS RIGHT!!!

(once you're doing that - THEN tactics etc can start to make a difference..)

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Agree with everyone saying that attitude needs to be right for any tactics to work. However maybe the attitude/poor morale stems from the fact that when we win games Adkins still tinkers? That can't help players when the moment anyone gets fit it results in someone else being immediately dropped. I'm a Done fan but the way he's waltzed in and upset the balance of a team that was scoring for fun can't have helped in the dressing room.

 

[Bergen Blade]

If he's going to play two up top he needs to go back to Sammon and Sharp. That was working.

We lost home matches vs Bury and Colchester with them up front. Midfield remains a problem with the 4-4-2 formation.

 

[Tyler Durden]

I generally really enjoy looking at the tactical analysis and thinking about who we should pick, what formation etc..

However - after yesterday's capitulation I have finally realised that all this group of players need to be told at the moment is:

effort
Try harder
Run more and faster
Run on the ball and off it
Mark people properly
Jump higher
Win tackles
Harass opponents at all times when they have the ball
Concentrate from set pieces
Clear the ball a long way when you're defending
Shoot at goal when you get a chance
attitude
Don't fucking think it's everyone else's responsibility to win the game
Don't think you're a quality player when you're getting turned over week in week out

JUST DO THE FUCKING BASICS RIGHT!!!

(once you're doing that - THEN tactics etc can start to make a difference..)

This should be pinned up in the dressing room.

 

[mosbolad]

I generally really enjoy looking at the tactical analysis and thinking about who we should pick, what formation etc..

However - after yesterday's capitulation I have finally realised that all this group of players need to be told at the moment is:

effort
Try harder
Run more and faster
Run on the ball and off it
Mark people properly
Jump higher
Win tackles
Harass opponents at all times when they have the ball
Concentrate from set pieces
Clear the ball a long way when you're defending
Shoot at goal when you get a chance
attitude
Don't fucking think it's everyone else's responsibility to win the game
Don't think you're a quality player when you're getting turned over week in week out

JUST DO THE FUCKING BASICS RIGHT!!!

(once you're doing that - THEN tactics etc can start to make a difference..)

EXCELLENT!!! Have 10 likes!

All I would add is....

You're a professional footballer ON and OFF the pitch.

Live like one, train like one.

Or summatt!