CONFIRMED Jay McCeveley

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Esablade said:
He knows what he can do and think's he'll be a good addition as COVER for Harris/defence.
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I think this is precisely the problem though and becoming an all too familiar sentence regarding our summer transfer business.

Our first team needs addressing, we don't need anymore cover. With our supposed new-found wealth/the Harry money/the cup run money we should have been able to bring in the talent necessary to make ourselves the comfortable favourites for promotion yet all we seem to have done so far is bring in a load of journeymen/average League One/'backup' players in the hope that our (admittedly very good) manager will get the best out of them and lead us to promotion. It just seems like we're taking such big gambles on inconsistent players like Harris, Howard, Flynn, Doyle, and even Murphy performing consistently at their best whilst bringing in players who may or may not turn out to be decent to cover them. A 5th season down here is not an option which is why people are becoming concerned about our transfer dealings and apparent lack of interest in improving the first team.

I'll reserve full judgement until the window has shut but given the sort of statements the club were making regarding the investment and the talk surrounding certain high profile players coming here, you really can't blame people for being slightly disillusioned with both this transfer and our overall business during the summer.
 
Houso said:
It's an uninspiring signing but is very solid backup. There is though a much bigger issue in that we have a couple of other positions who we still need first choice bloody players for.

Alcock, whose primary position is right back, can cover left back, but at the moment he's covering central defence. Meanwhile, we have an aging midfielder who (despite a good performance in the League Cup) is covering right back... and has now played 180 minutes the last week. Not to mention that our most experienced (and presumably most 'solid') central defenders were given a run around by a team in the league below us on Saturday.

Quality back-up is a wonderful luxury to be able to afford. But it shouldn't be the priority at the moment - especially when bringing in first choice players will free up other players to move into their best roles.
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Arguably at this level, aren't all teams making do and mending with squads? If we were still pushing for promotion to the Premier League then I think you'd be right to be spitting feathers but I just don't think we get the income in to enable us to carry a squad with 2 for every position.
 
S5Blade said:
So we have signed a player who is only 29, as cover, for full back and CB who has nearly 50 premiership games, 150 games in the league above us and 60 in this division (in a team who have finished top 8 the last 2 seasons) for free..... as cover, and people are not happy with this?

Who should we be signing as backup for bob and co? Bale? Evra? That lad from Everton, Baines is it? He has experience at this level and above, will fill in where needs be. Why the big hoo har? Dont think he will be the last of our business in this window, he has been signed as back up, relax, as Swizzler says, Promotion is sorted. These are just signings to provide talking points :D Clough is probably just a bit bored.
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Good post s5Blade,the only qualm iv'e got is Cloughy saying he's back up(cover).I think a manager should never say this as it means players like Harris take their foot of the peddle and relax knowing he is first choice.Cloughy should have said somewhere along the lines of Jay has come in to challenge Bob for the left back spot but if needed can play centre back also.
 
wizadry said:
Good post s5Blade,the only qualm iv'e got is Cloughy saying he's back up(cover).I think a manager should never say this as it means players like Harris take their foot of the peddle and relax knowing he is first choice.Cloughy should have said somewhere along the lines of Jay has come in to challenge Bob for the left back spot but if needed can play centre back also.
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Given bobs 2 performances so far, It won't be long until he is playing catch up with Jay....
 
Mack said:
I think this is precisely the problem though and becoming an all too familiar sentence regarding our summer transfer business.

Our first team needs addressing, we don't need anymore cover. With our supposed new-found wealth/the Harry money/the cup run money we should have been able to bring in the talent necessary to make ourselves the comfortable favourites for promotion yet all we seem to have done so far is bring in a load of journeymen/average League One/'backup' players in the hope that our (admittedly very good) manager will get the best out of them and lead us to promotion. It just seems like we're taking such big gambles on inconsistent players like Harris, Howard, Flynn, Doyle, and even Murphy performing consistently at their best whilst bringing in players who may or may not turn out to be decent to cover them. A 5th season down here is not an option which is why people are becoming concerned about our transfer dealings and apparent lack of interest in improving the first team.

I'll reserve full judgement until the window has shut but given the sort of statements the club were making regarding the investment and the talk surrounding certain high profile players coming here, you really can't blame people for being slightly disillusioned with both this transfer and our overall business during the summer.
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We had one 'proper' left back. Harris. Now we have two.

I understand the frustrations and I'm sure the management team are frustrated at missing out on players also (not saying we're done this transfer window if the right player comes along)...but as we've seen last season, a lot of what Nigel does is about balance and team spirit.

IMO Nigel has assembled a squad that will be there or there-a-bouts come Jan when we will see if need to spend to push for the auto's.

UTB!
 
WeareBlades said:
Think some people need to calm down. Clough has said repeatedly he needed another defensive player for cover? Not a bad cover player played quite a few times for Swindon or are not the worst team in the league.
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Which league are they in...................remind me.
 
Game changing? The only way the game has changed is we beat Bristol city 3-0 at home last year and lost the same fixture 2-1 this year.
 
Mceveley challenging for a place is one thing. But Iain Turner? Oh fuck off.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
What would you say if that £2.5M was closer to £4.5M including add ons etc or maybe £750,000 via a tribunal?
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I'd say:

1. Undisclosed fees are stupid and anyone who thinks they prevent teams from learning what was paid for a player are naive.

2. The value depends on the add ons. If they require, say, an England cap, they are worthless.

3. If our big plan for the money is to buy reserve left backs and a fourth keeper I would rather have kept Maguire.
 
Revolution said:
Undisclosed fees are stupid and anyone who thinks they prevent teams from learning what was paid for a player are naive.
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What? Are you saying you don't believe the bit where everyone puts their prices up just because you've sold someone. How dare you?

It's a right pain in the arse, every time I park my Ferrari up at Morrisons there's always some little scrote running in front of me adding a zero onto all the price tags. Really pisses me of I can tell you.
 

WeareBlades said:
So we will buy players who are not available for a good price and may not even make a difference. How longs Harry been gone? 10 days - 2 weeks? If the players are not available to buy then we can't buy them not his fault is it. Not going to spend a million on left back cover when we already have one of the best left backs in the league.
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Anyways I for one am refusing to jump on the bandwagon of slagging players off who iv not seen play in a blades shirt. Without Clough and his team last season we would have been in a relegation dog fight all season, but with his GOOD signings and tactics he saved us. No point in crying over spilt milk wishing we had Brayford and Coady, we ant got em just need to get behind this team and focus on the players we have which isn't a bad bunch at all.
 
I hope he is just for cover because this is an utter crap signing.

Like I have said already he was decent about 10 years ago.

Just another journeyman added to the collection.

Is Dele Adebola still playing?
 
Well, the squad is unarguably stronger than last year. This will be worth plenty of points in the long run.

But what we need now is for the new players like McNulty, Higdon, Alcock, Basham and HM2 to show they've the quality to fire us into the top two. If they can't then we either spend or join the throng of playoff hopefuls.
 
Everyone moaning about the squad compared to last year, remember Coady and Brayford were both loans, we wouldn't have got near either on a permanent transfer - we've not dipped into the loan market yet but I'm sure we will. Fact is at this level we're not going to be making quality permanent signings that will excite the fans, but we can build a strong squad and promote our own youth, which is exactly what we've done.

I don't really know anything about McEveley or Turner but I certainly won't be judging them until I've seen them play. Wonder what fans of another club would have thought if they'd bought Murphy off us last January?
 
JohnDenver said:
Well, the squad is unarguably stronger than last year. This will be worth plenty of points in the long run.
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I would say it is arguable. Look at what we have compared to what we had. How much better are:
McEverley than Hill
Magahey than Maguire
Alcock than Brayford AND Freeman
Campbell Ryce than Brandy
McNulty than Taylor
Basham and thingy that's injured than Coady?

Not an awful lot, if at all, I wouldn't say.

As for it being worth plenty of points, basically you're suggesting we are waiting for everybody to pick up injuries or suspensions because they must have below average replacements, whereas we don't? We don't have back up that can change a game. All the new signings are just "steady".

On paper I think we have an average League 1 squad. The only stand outs, Murphy, Baxter and Scougall, were all here last season, as were Maguire and Brayford (I won't include Coady because he wasn't a particularly stand out player, although he is probably better than his replacements, one of which is yet to feature in a competitive game due to injury).

We've signed plenty of back up so far, but we are still waiting for any signings that make you think "he's a definite starter, I can't wait to see him play." My fear is that nobody like this is on their way to us and we are left with a squad of average League 1 performers and very little to set us apart from the rest. The only one that comes remotely close is Higdon who looks a decent signing. Although a 31 year old whose best years were in Scotland doesn't really strike you as the one to make the difference between promotion or failure.

Again, it is only my view, I would rather us have signed some definite starters, real quality players, and run the risk of using the youth players as back up. I've been shouted down before for saying that it is the eleven on the pitch that make the difference. Well, I stand by the view that I would rather have a strong core first eleven and use youngsters as back up as and when required, than have a slightly larger squad of average players offering very little to make the difference.
 
Latters said:
I would say it is arguable. Look at what we have compared to what we had. How much better are:
McEverley than Hill
Magahey than Maguire
Alcock than Brayford AND Freeman
Campbell Ryce than Brandy
McNulty than Taylor
Basham and thingy that's injured than Coady?

Not an awful lot, if at all, I wouldn't say.

As for it being worth plenty of points, basically you're suggesting we are waiting for everybody to pick up injuries or suspensions because they must have below average replacements, whereas we don't? We don't have back up that can change a game. All the new signings are just "steady".

On paper I think we have an average League 1 squad. The only stand outs, Murphy, Baxter and Scougall, were all here last season, as were Maguire and Brayford (I won't include Coady because he wasn't a particularly stand out player, although he is probably better than his replacements, one of which is yet to feature in a competitive game due to injury).

We've signed plenty of back up so far, but we are still waiting for any signings that make you think "he's a definite starter, I can't wait to see him play." My fear is that nobody like this is on their way to us and we are left with a squad of average League 1 performers and very little to set us apart from the rest. The only one that comes remotely close is Higdon who looks a decent signing. Although a 31 year old whose best years were in Scotland doesn't really strike you as the one to make the difference between promotion or failure.

Again, it is only my view, I would rather us have signed some definite starters, real quality players, and run the risk of using the youth players as back up. I've been shouted down before for saying that it is the eleven on the pitch that make the difference. Well, I stand by the view that I would rather have a strong core first eleven and use youngsters as back up as and when required, than have a slightly larger squad of average players offering very little to make the difference.
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Living this far away from the action, I rely on the opinions of those who are kind enough to post information and match reports about all things Blades related. I hope to catch a few televised games but they will show only part of what's going on.
Similarly I believe that most members of this forum are disadvantaged when it comes to judging players from elsewhere.

Nigel Clough however is in a position to evaluate a player, see what we cannot and make an informed decision concerning team building.

Unfortunately some of the recent posts reflect a lack of confidence in our manager. I find this strange after what he achieved last season.

I trust his judgement. One named player is much the same as another to me , we may disagree over team selections but. I do hope that. Nigel and the team get our full support, whoever wears the shirt.
 
Sirius said:
Living this far away from the action, I rely on the opinions of those who are kind enough to post information and match reports about all things Blades related. I hope to catch a few televised games but they will show only part of what's going on.
Similarly I believe that most members of this forum are disadvantaged when it comes to judging players from elsewhere.

Nigel Clough however is in a position to evaluate a player, see what we cannot and make an informed decision concerning team building.

Unfortunately some of the recent posts reflect a lack of confidence in our manager. I find this strange after what he achieved last season.

I trust his judgement. One named player is much the same as another to me , we may disagree over team selections but. I do hope that. Nigel and the team get our full support, whoever wears the shirt.
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I don't think many are questioning if Clough is making the most out of what he's got, more that what he's been given isn't enough.

UTB
 
Sirius said:
Living this far away from the action, I rely on the opinions of those who are kind enough to post information and match reports about all things Blades related. I hope to catch a few televised games but they will show only part of what's going on.
Similarly I believe that most members of this forum are disadvantaged when it comes to judging players from elsewhere.

Nigel Clough however is in a position to evaluate a player, see what we cannot and make an informed decision concerning team building.

Unfortunately some of the recent posts reflect a lack of confidence in our manager. I find this strange after what he achieved last season.

I trust his judgement. One named player is much the same as another to me , we may disagree over team selections but. I do hope that. Nigel and the team get our full support, whoever wears the shirt.
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I like Clough. He is the best manager we have had in a number of years, by some considerable distance. What he achieved with us last season was admirable, given the start we'd had, and I wish we had him in place a couple of games earlier. We might not be where we are now.

I trust that he is the best man for the job. However, this does not mean that I enjoy a blind faith believing that he is completely infallible and every decision he makes is a master stroke. Even the best make mistakes; look at Ronaldo's miss against us.

My opinion is that the vast majority of players we have signed are squad players at this level. I find this disappointing.

Sorry if anybody thinks I am being overly negative, but it is my opinion. I struggle to get excited by a summer of signing players from the likes of Peterborough, Tranmere, Walsall and Livingston. Happily, Scougall proved that the latter do have some talent to offer, but I would surmise that he was the exception, rather than the rule, or they'd be a bit better off than they are.

I would like my lack of enthusiasm towards the signings to be proven unfounded, and I await Clough's genius shining through once again when he manages to get a seemingly average League 1 squad promoted at the end of the season.
 

Surely the World cup proved that a team is much more important than individuals ,with many of the higher achieving countries playing players who we have never heard of in place of big names. I believe Clough is following the same format and getting players that suit his agenda to build a squad and team that is capable and comfortable in its structure.
 
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