Player Suggestion Jake Buxton

[Cerberus Blade]

Worth a punt but...... Do we another Derby player?

Do we what another Derby player?

 

[Blade58]

We have signed 2 potential bench players thus far. We are more building our squad first rather than adding real quality.

The rumoured signings of Etheridge, Stevens and Baldock are all to build our 24 man squad.

I would guess the money will be spent on a CB,CM,Number 10, ST.

I think if he does this it's the best we could possibly do.

Where's the Baldock rumour surfaced from Bladezz? Haven't seen that one

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I still have this vision that Wilder is keeping his powder dry for a couple of established Championship players to fit in down the spine of the team

A CB and a striker would be my preference.

McCabe said Wilder will have a top half Championship budget and I reckon with the signings made thus far and adding in Stevens, we've only scratched the surface to date

A top half Championship budget is a decent budget eh? I think what that means is, aside from those clubs most recently in the Prem and sitting on big parachute payments we will have the financial clout to compete. Add to that the fact that Wilder is shrewd with his signings and is more likely to spend that on good up and coming players, who obviously cost less than those who already have established themselves at this level, we should be competitive.

As for Jake Buxton - he's one we've admired before. By all accounts he's a very good player and a bit of a cult hero, especially at Derby. If Wilder feels he's what we need on the pitch in terms of experience and leadership for the Championship then that's good enough for me. But age isn't on his side at 32 and he'll need to weigh that up versus finding a younger more agile central defender. Personally I think Jack O' Connell is the best bloke for the centre half job - and if we sign a good left full back to play alongside him the need for another centre half might be not so great, given we have Jake Wright as back up.

 

[Chali 2na]

Wasn't he the fella that Clough wanted to sign when he was at Leeds?

Personally i'd like a decent 24-28 year old Centre Half with pace and good experience at Championship level that can slot in alongside JOC (and his magic hat).

I'd also like JOC to lose a bit of muscle bulk over the summer (he's already looking a lot leaner than when he joined us) to be a bit more of an athletic racing snake.

What is "muscle bulk"? And how does one go about removing it?

 

[Norderner]

IMO Buxton injury prone, and painfully slow. Pearce is just shit, pure shit. We need pace through the spine now if possible.

 

[SwissBlade]

What is "muscle bulk"? And how does one go about removing it?

Ha ha poor terminology, I just think he's got too much bulk and that he could be leaner

 

[1danewhitehouse]

What is "muscle bulk"? And how does one go about removing it?

My interpretation is that it is weight gained in the form of muscle. The result of eating high protein and doing lots of resistance training. My guess would be that the best way to remove it would be to do less resistance training and more cardio and possibly eat less protein and carbs.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Hope not. Not too bothered about his age but he's slow, not very tall, has had bad injuries and doesn't seem to have got back to the level he was at for Derby. Similar thoughts to when we signed Jake Wright in many ways but he's 2 years older and would cost more.

He is a leader though and playing in the middle of a back 3 would suit him.

If there was a time to sign him it would've been about the time this thread was started.

I'd rather go for Jason Pearce at Charlton than Buxton.

If we’re going for a Charlton centre half, I actually thought Patrick Bauer looked better when they came to the lane. Was really impressed with him. If we could get him and the lad from Fleetwood who was mentioned before, with EEL and Wilson leaving, I’d be happy with that.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Wasn't he the fella that Clough wanted to sign when he was at Leeds?

Personally i'd like a decent 24-28 year old Centre Half with pace and good experience at Championship level that can slot in alongside JOC (and his magic hat).

I'd also like JOC to lose a bit of muscle bulk over the summer (he's already looking a lot leaner than when he joined us) to be a bit more of an athletic racing snake.

I reckon the type of centre half you describe would probably cost in the region of £4-5 million and around £20k or so a week in wages. But if we can get a 22-26 year old CB who has excelled in League 1 and who Wilder thinks can step up (like Bauer) we might get them for around £750k and less than £10k wages.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

We have signed 2 potential bench players thus far. We are more building our squad first rather than adding real quality.

The rumoured signings of Etheridge, Stevens and Baldock are all to build our 24 man squad.

I would guess the money will be spent on a CB,CM,Number 10, ST.

I think if he does this it's the best we could possibly do.

The signings we are making at the moment lead me to believed that Wilder wants to give the lads who got us here (most of the first team) their chance to make a mark in the championship. Players like Stevens, Thomas and Evans aren’t likely to be assured of a starting place but probably offer improvement to the squad replacing the likes of Hussey, Done and McNulty giving us a stronger bench to try different approaches if the lads who got us here struggle. I hope that we might make 1 marquee striker signing as buying in a top striker (one who can create for himself) can make all the difference. However, I don’t expect too many “proven” championship players through the door. More players signed on the relative cheap from lower leagues who Wilder thinks could maybe step up and give us options throughout the squad.

 

[Ricky]

Tell you what, I wouldn't be very appeh if we signed Buxton and EEL as the centre halves.

Pearce definitely isn't 'pure shit'. He's solid, he's a leader and reads the game well. Wigan's best form when they went up was with him in the team, same with Charlton this season. He only left Wigan because he wanted to move south. Previously he was a regular in the Championship for 4 seasons with Portsmouth and Leeds.
Also, playing in the middle of a 3 could take him to another level, as with Jake Wright. His height would be a bonus in that position.

 

[Chali 2na]

My interpretation is that it is weight gained in the form of muscle. The result of eating high protein and doing lots of resistance training. My guess would be that the best way to remove it would be to do less resistance training and more cardio and possibly eat less protein and carbs.

"Weight gained in the form of muscle" - otherwise known simply as 'muscle'

In which case, the conditions you listed above won't reduce the mass, it will just slow growth.

If he wanted to reduce muscle, the only way would be to have a caloric deficit so great that his body cannibalised his muscle to provide energy. This isnt healthy and would almost certainly hinder performance.


What I'm trying to say is that any extra 'bulk' that O'Connell may or may not have will be fat.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

"Weight gained in the form of muscle" - otherwise known simply as 'muscle'

In which case, the conditions you listed above won't reduce the mass, it will just slow growth.

If he wanted to reduce muscle, the only way would be to have a caloric deficit so great that his body cannibalised his muscle to provide energy. This isnt healthy and would almost certainly hinder performance.


What I'm trying to say is that any extra 'bulk' that O'Connell may or may not have will be fat.

Fair play mate, you're more clued up on the subject than me I suspect.

 

[LJBlade]

Tell you what, I wouldn't be very appeh if we signed Buxton and EEL as the centre halves.

Pearce definitely isn't 'pure shit'. He's solid, he's a leader and reads the game well. Wigan's best form when they went up was with him in the team, same with Charlton this season. He only left Wigan because he wanted to move south. Previously he was a regular in the Championship for 4 seasons with Portsmouth and Leeds.
Also, playing in the middle of a 3 could take him to another level, as with Jake Wright. His height would be a bonus in that position.

He's only 6ft 1 according to Charlton's website so he's not exactly massive. Having said that though they've got Ricky Holmes down as being 6ft 2 which definitely isn't true.

At 6ft 1 Pearce would be shorter than all of our current defenders, except Jake Wright, who's the same height.

*Not disagreeing with your comments about him being a decent signing as I don't really know that much about him.

 

[Davalon]

I'm free most Saturdays guys, and I've Championship experience coming out of my poopipe

 

[Ricky]

He's only 6ft 1 according to Charlton's website so he's not exactly massive. Having said that though they've got Ricky Holmes down as being 6ft 2 which definitely isn't true.

At 6ft 1 Pearce would be shorter than all of our current defenders, except Jake Wright, who's the same height.

*Not disagreeing with your comments about him being a decent signing as I don't really know that much about him.

He looks 6"1 or 6"2 to me, and has been quite strong in the air when I've seen him.

The idea seems to be to have big/athletic types at RCB and LCB to attack the ball with the guy in the middle organising and sweeping up so to have someone with height in the middle would be a bonus, at least for us because we've had Wright there, so it would be an additional tall player in the team and another big presence at set pieces.

Pearce is also left footed, like Wright, which would only help the continuity.

 

[SteelCityBlade]

I know Bucko and his Dad, i'll ask and see if they can spill on the rumours!

 

[TCsLoveChild]

Wasn't he the fella that Clough wanted to sign when he was at Leeds?

Personally i'd like a decent 24-28 year old Centre Half with pace and good experience at Championship level that can slot in alongside JOC (and his magic hat).

I'd also like JOC to lose a bit of muscle bulk over the summer (he's already looking a lot leaner than when he joined us) to be a bit more of an athletic racing snake.

Its a no from me then. Clough was at Leeds in 1974 so that would make Buxton in his 60s now. Waay too old for the Championship.

UTB

 

[Chali 2na]

Fair play mate, you're more clued up on the subject than me I suspect.

Don't mind me 1DW, my pedantic response is the result of years of frustration seeing people confuse muscle and fat.

 

[SwissBlade]

My interpretation is that it is weight gained in the form of muscle. The result of eating high protein and doing lots of resistance training. My guess would be that the best way to remove it would be to do less resistance training and more cardio and possibly eat less protein and carbs.

Yes this is about right.

"Weight gained in the form of muscle" - otherwise known simply as 'muscle'

In which case, the conditions you listed above won't reduce the mass, it will just slow growth.

If he wanted to reduce muscle, the only way would be to have a caloric deficit so great that his body cannibalised his muscle to provide energy. This isnt healthy and would almost certainly hinder performance.


What I'm trying to say is that any extra 'bulk' that O'Connell may or may not have will be fat.

No thats incorrect. Its possible to have a lot more muscle mass/ bulk and not be fat. Kell Brook is a perfect example. For the 3G fight he bulked up to meet the weight, very low fat % on him, much more muscle bulk and power. Now he is reducing weight again, but maintaining good muscle. The same needs to happen with JOC (Harry Maguire was the same).

A fitness programme for JOC for the summer would be:
May-June
- Cardio: Lower intensity, lower heart rate training, lots of runs or bike
- Strength: Lower weight, increased repetitions and working on core strength to build a solid, balanced unit

July
- Cardio: Speed and power work, Swimming and Higher intensity runs mixed in with the lower intensity training
- Strength: Core work, and low weight.

By august you'd expect him to be leaner and faster, although its a fine line with a centre half, you don't want him to lose all his strength,

 

[Norderner]

I reckon the type of centre half you describe would probably cost in the region of £4-5 million and around £20k or so a week in wages. But if we can get a 22-26 year old CB who has excelled in League 1 and who Wilder thinks can step up (like Bauer) we might get them for around £750k and less than £10k wages.

Bauer was by far their best defender, tall, power, pace, and calm on the ball. Seen Pearce on numerous occasions and he's just a shit Chris Morgan wanna be, imo. Nowhere near good enough for us.

 

[Chali 2na]

Yes this is about right.



No thats incorrect. Its possible to have a lot more muscle mass/ bulk and not be fat. Kell Brook is a perfect example. For the 3G fight he bulked up to meet the weight, very low fat % on him, much more muscle bulk and power. Now he is reducing weight again, but maintaining good muscle. The same needs to happen with JOC (Harry Maguire was the same).

A fitness programme for JOC for the summer would be:
May-June
- Cardio: Lower intensity, lower heart rate training, lots of runs or bike
- Strength: Lower weight, increased repetitions and working on core strength to build a solid, balanced unit

July
- Cardio: Speed and power work, Swimming and Higher intensity runs mixed in with the lower intensity training
- Strength: Core work, and low weight.

By august you'd expect him to be leaner and faster, although its a fine line with a centre half, you don't want him to lose all his strength,

I don't know enough about Kell Brook to contest your point, all i'll say that the reduction in his weight will be almost entirely the loss of fat as opposed to the reduction of muscle.

While one can reduce muscle using some exercise and lifestyle techniques, the results are nominal and progress is slow. The only way to rapidly decrease muscle mass (over the course of pre-season/between fights) is by cannibalising your muscle. Like i mentioned before, this isn't practical for athletes without severely decreasing performance.

 

[Grappler]

My interpretation is that it is weight gained in the form of muscle. The result of eating high protein and doing lots of resistance training. My guess would be that the best way to remove it would be to do less resistance training and more cardio and possibly eat less protein and carbs.

Nope, you don't want to do that if you are an athlete, even skinny old Mo Farah talked up the importance of protein in his Quorn TV ads!

 

[SwissBlade]

I don't know enough about Kell Brook to contest your point, all i'll say that the reduction in his weight will be almost entirely the loss of fat as opposed to the reduction of muscle.

While one can reduce muscle using some exercise and lifestyle techniques, the results are nominal and progress is slow. The only way to rapidly decrease muscle mass (over the course of pre-season/between fights) is by cannibalising your muscle. Like i mentioned before, this isn't practical for athletes without severely decreasing performance.

Its not a rapid decrease which is needed as with JOC, we're not talking a lot to be honest and yes a fast decrease in muscle will affect performance. Like Kell Brook, JOC just needs to get to his 'fighting weight'

Kell is currently shedding the weight (since sept last year) from Middle weight when he was 72.3kg, back down to Welterweight which has an upper limit of 66.7 kg, so a loss of at least 5.6 kg required, I think he was running about 4% body fat by the time of the fight, i doubt he'll be much different this time.

With a more endurance based training plan and as 1danewhitehouse said, a reduction in Carbs, within the 3 month preseason there would be difference, but probably the final result would be much longer.

I should stress though that we were the fittest team in League one and I think the team we have looking after fitness is doing a fantastic job and i have no doubt we will be among the fittest teams in the Championship too.

 

[SwissBlade]

Nope, you don't want to do that if you are an athlete, even skinny old Mo Farah talked up the importance of protein in his Quorn TV ads!

Correct, Fewer Carbs, more protein.

 

[SteveBlade]

Steak and eggs and eggs and steak...

That's what you should have for breakfast

 

[SwissBlade]

Steak and eggs and eggs and steak...

That's what you should have for breakfast

Post exercise

 

[SteveBlade]

Post exercise

Steak and eggs and eggs and steak...

Just making sure you heard.

 

[Chali 2na]

Its not a rapid decrease which is needed as with JOC, we're not talking a lot to be honest and yes a fast decrease in muscle will affect performance. Like Kell Brook, JOC just needs to get to his 'fighting weight'

Kell is currently shedding the weight (since sept last year) from Middle weight when he was 72.3kg, back down to Welterweight which has an upper limit of 66.7 kg, so a loss of at least 5.6 kg required, I think he was running about 4% body fat by the time of the fight, i doubt he'll be much different this time.

With a more endurance based training plan and as 1danewhitehouse said, a reduction in Carbs, within the 3 month preseason there would be difference, but probably the final result would be much longer.

I should stress though that we were the fittest team in League one and I think the team we have looking after fitness is doing a fantastic job and i have no doubt we will be among the fittest teams in the Championship too.

If "Its not a rapid decrease which is needed" for O'Connell, then why in your original post did you suggest he should "lose muscle bulk"?

Surely, if the ammount of weight O'Connell apparently needs to shed is so small, why not focus on removing fat rather than muscle? He would get the same benefit of a reduction in overall weight without risking a loss in strength.

 

[SwissBlade]

If "Its not a rapid decrease which is needed" for O'Connell, then why in your original post did you suggest he should "lose muscle bulk"?

Surely, if the ammount of weight O'Connell apparently needs to shed is so small, why not focus on removing fat rather than muscle? He would get the same benefit of a reduction in overall weight without risking a loss in strength.

Because i don't think he needs to be as strong to do the job that he does