Jagielka

[Westran]

http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/16-17/rumour-mill/35056.html

Some interesting comments on the Toffees rumour mill. They certainly seem to think he still has a part to play at Goodison, although most seem to think they need a replacement. If he was to stay it would be as cover and to act almost as a mentor to the new defenders they get in rather than as a coach.

IF he was to come to the lane (and its a big if) he would get first team football every week and you'd think would be guaranteed a coaching role, if he has aspirations to go into coaching and management after the game then maybe he would be better dropping down to cut his teeth in an environment where his experience would be more sort after, he might not get that opportunity in the PL.

Still, I can't see it happening personally. (It usually does happen when I say that...)

 

[Grizzly blade]

There just aren't any reliable sources of info these days, which in truth is probably a good thing.

A professional set up would not be releasing details to any old chuff who asks them, or spilling the beans to mates in the pub on the pretence they keep it to themselves.

I don't go for any of the rumours these days because for some reason there are lots of people happy to make stories up in the hope they will be right. And fact is, if they make enough up in the end they will get one right through sheer probability.

I think it's possible he could come back. I think we do have the capability to put together a financial package that would suit him, I think he would be open to coming back to the club, and I reckon he is the sort of lad who is looking to get into coaching. I also think Jags is the kind of lad who's level headed and perhaps less concerned about the money he could get. In other words he will consider all offers on merit, rather than who offers the most cash. It may also be the case he has family in Sheffield if his missus was from the area.

However on the other hand, there may well be plenty of clubs able to match or better what we can offer, plus we are perhaps more optimistic than we should be that he might hold some long term affection for United enough to want to play for a huge pay cut. And that's because I believe that the club is no longer in the habit of offering huge salaries and spending way more than we can afford to lose, even though we could of course chuck 30k a week at him if we wanted to. And I a man happy about that.

So there are a lot of things working in our favour, but we are relying on the lad being happy with the wage we will offer. I agree he would be a bit of a coup to get in, but on the other hand he sent going to get us promoted single handed as the influence at centre back is much less than a top quality striker. I'm 50/50 that this might happen.

 

[him behind you]

Have to say that I'm not totally convinced that this would be a great signing. Jags is 35 years old and while he may well want to put something back to the club so have the passion to fit in, would he really be the perfect CB we need? We don't have much pace now and, at 35, I don't think Jags will bring that. I also don't know whether his reading of the game is quite that good to make up for any lack of pace - I'm not even sure it's better than Jake Wright's who I thought read the game from that position last year as good as anyone we've had in years.

It may or may not happen, and if it does and it works, them great and I hope I'm proved wrong - but I don't think I'd lose any sleep if we don't sign him.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Have to say that I'm not totally convinced that this would be a great signing. Jags is 35 years old and while he may well want to put something back to the club so have the passion to fit in, would he really be the perfect CB we need? We don't have much pace now and, at 35, I don't think Jags will bring that. I also don't know whether his reading of the game is quite that good to make up for any lack of pace - I'm not even sure it's better than Jake Wright's who I thought read the game from that position last year as good as anyone we've had in years.

It may or may not happen, and if it does and it works, them great and I hope I'm proved wrong - but I don't think I'd lose any sleep if we don't sign him.

As a younger player, it was Jags pace and tackling that made up for his lack of positioning at times.
However, he's hugely experienced and played against the best players and teams in the world, as well as worked for some experienced managers for club and country.
That aspect of his game is bound to have improved.

 

[Jon P]

If there were any weight to these rumours, surely one of the lads from BBC Radio Sheffield would have mentioned something by now - Gids, Staton or Buchan.

 

[Westran]

I'd be interested to hear from the local press on the matter, Danny04 any thoughts?

 

[Grizzly blade]

I suspect the club will have cut most ties with the media locally after the Evans fiasco.
They scored a real own goal there releasing those details early.

Loose lips, sink ships. And loose lips were all too keen to try sinking our promotion party. Even if the info came from Chezzy, the media should have gone to United to let them know and sought their approval.

 

[him behind you]

As a younger player, it was Jags pace and tackling that made up for his lack of positioning at times.
However, he's hugely experienced and played against the best players and teams in the world, as well as worked for some experienced managers for club and country.
That aspect of his game is bound to have improved.

Agreed Grizzly. You would like to think that it will have but I do worry that he could still get dragged out of position and, without his younger pace, could leave us exposed. We'll see - I hope I'm wrong if he does sign for us.

 

[wizadry]

On the deal itself if it were to materialise, could it be that when DCL went they had an agreement as to why they got DCL relatively cheap? For instance Everton paying Jags some of his wages whilst he's with us?

Only adding a theory to all the other bullshit, I felt left out and just thought I'd join in.

 

[stringer]

I'd be interested to hear from the local press on the matter, Danny04 any thoughts?

I'd be very suspect of any Twitter account with 18 followers saying it's a done deal. It isn't and speaking entirely personally, I'd be amazed if it happens. At risk of repeating myself, here's something I wrote a few weeks back that pretty much covers it.

I suspect the club will have cut most ties with the media locally after the Evans fiasco.
They scored a real own goal there releasing those details early.

Loose lips, sink ships. And loose lips were all too keen to try sinking our promotion party. Even if the info came from Chezzy, the media should have gone to United to let them know and sought their approval.

Sorry Grizzly, but that's nonsense.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

I'd be very suspect of any Twitter account with 18 followers saying it's a done deal. It isn't and speaking entirely personally, I'd be amazed if it happens. At risk of repeating myself, here's something I wrote a few weeks back that pretty much covers it.



Sorry Grizzly, but that's nonsense.

Just about sum it up in that article. Not saying it couldn't happen, but it doesn't fit the Wilder mould for signings. The fact that all the info on this is coming from wannabe ITKs on twitter, doesn't give it much credence. However, that doesn't preclude that there may have been contact, however brief, between player and club. Would be a surprise, though for this to go through, given Wilder has a budget (whatever that is) and this one signing would take a big chunk of that.

Given that, Ethel on her fruit and veg stall in the market sold Jags a bag of peaches this morning, and she says it's nailed on!

 

[B14Nco]

Not that I think it will happen but if you think we should go into this season with Jake Wright instead of Jags if the opportunity was there you're an absolute lunatic.

 

[Bladesman]

I'd be interested to hear from the local press on the matter, Danny04 any thoughts?

They will wait til every other media outlet has announced it first.

 

[sheffielder]

Is there a chance Danny and Maxter are the same person?

Nice way to link to that toilet paper though

 

[Grizzly blade]

I'd be very suspect of any Twitter account with 18 followers saying it's a done deal. It isn't and speaking entirely personally, I'd be amazed if it happens. At risk of repeating myself, here's something I wrote a few weeks back that pretty much covers it.



Sorry Grizzly, but that's nonsense.

So that's an article of opinion, and nothing we don't all know already. Basically sums up the thoughts of the majority on here.

Clearly I got it wrong, and United had no problem at all with that sensationalist article about an "ex rapist" rejoining the club for a big fee being released just before the end of the season and before the two teams played each other.
Or maybe they were fuming.

 

[LenTednTony]

There is also a way around the wages thing as well. Say top wages for the role of player and, say, equal top wages for that role as a coach? Don't think it's gonna happen but boy, I think it would enhance our back line immensley.

 

[alcoblade]

Not that I think it will happen but if you think we should go into this season with Jake Wright instead of Jags if the opportunity was there you're an absolute lunatic.

By "opportunity", we are comparing a several million pound option with a several hundred thousand pound option. The millions of pounds of difference is money that will not be then spent elsewhere.

It is not simply a case of Phil Jagielka ( an opportunity) V Jake Wright.

 

[Westran]

The ever reliable HITC have put their 10 penceworth in, giving the possibility of this deal 3/10.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/06/1...-odds-on-favourites-to-sign-evertons-phil-ja/

 

[Sithblade]

Jags, Podolski, Leonard and Holmes all signed

 

[Grizzly blade]

There is also a way around the wages thing as well. Say top wages for the role of player and, say, equal top wages for that role as a coach? Don't think it's gonna happen but boy, I think it would enhance our back line immensley.

No, player role only for me and pay for his outstanding coaching qualifications, while allowing him access to the academy players in order to attain the qualifications.
We gain a player, he gains qualifications he can use for the rest of his working life. That's more than fair.

 

[I should coco]

Not that I think it will happen but if you think we should go into this season with Jake Wright instead of Jags if the opportunity was there you're an absolute lunatic.

Jake Wright probably £2-4k per week (perhaps less if not playing).

Jags after massive pay cut, probably minimum £15-20k per week.

Who would be the lunatic, if Jag's wages stopped us signing a shit hot younger prospect elsewhere?

 

[Chief_Froley]

Jags, Podolski, Leonard and Holmes all signed
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I signed Podolski too! Him, Hernandez, Kaka and Villa changed the landscape of English football forever on my FIFA! (by which I mean they were all too old by the time I bought them and could only last a half which also left me without money for cover and getting sacked at the end of the season for not meeting my financial goals)

 

[PaddysMad]

Easy now

 

[Ricky]

Jags, Podolski, Leonard and Holmes all signed
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Sorry, can't take you seriously when you have Fleck RCM and Leonard LCM. And I don't care if Brayford has a better rating than Basham, you should be locked up for playing him ahead of him.

 

[Blade58]

Just can't see the club and in particular Wilder, after all he has said, breaking the wage structure.

He seems to be a big advocate of wage structures and working within budgets

 

[Ron_Justice]

Just can't see the club and in particular Wilder, after all he has said, breaking the wage structure.

He seems to be a big advocate of wage structures and working within budgets

That doesn't mean it's not a goer. Just the board / CW will need to be creative in their offer and Jags would need to be happy with a cut, to the cash in his pocket.

 

[B14Nco]

Jake Wright probably £2-4k per week (perhaps less if not playing).

Jags after massive pay cut, probably minimum £15-20k per week.

Who would be the lunatic, if Jag's wages stopped us signing a shit hot younger prospect elsewhere?

Ah what I've yet again failed to understand is that people on here know the financial workings of every deal and can also see into the future.

This would be a proper marquee signing... it would not only be a great signing in football terms but would also make other teams take note but also other players that we might look to sign.

But this probably won't happen anyway.

 

[mancunianblade]

This is gonna happen isn't it

 

[B14Nco]

Jake Wright probably £2-4k per week (perhaps less if not playing).

Jags after massive pay cut, probably minimum £15-20k per week.

Who would be the lunatic, if Jag's wages stopped us signing a shit hot younger prospect elsewhere?

And also who is this shit hot youngster we're signing instead of the guy who was capitaning England last year?

 

[stringer]

So that's an article of opinion, and nothing we don't all know already. Basically sums up the thoughts of the majority on here.

Clearly I got it wrong, and United had no problem at all with that sensationalist article about an "ex rapist" rejoining the club for a big fee being released just before the end of the season and before the two teams played each other.
Or maybe they were fuming.

Yes, it's a column. That's what a column is, opinion. But apply the principles in it (signing young, hungry players on the way up with something to prove and not breaking the wage structure) to signing someone who's 34, a multi-millionaire probably not good enough to be a Prem regular anymore who'd be on about 20k a week and you can fairly confidently predict which way Jags to United is going, in my opinion.

Fascinated by your second point. A sensationalist article about an "ex-rapist" rejoining the club for a big fee? Do you have a link?