It’s pathetic

[jt64]

I think Wilder had twigged that we couldn't simply buy replacements because they were far too expensive so instead gambled on keeping players well into their 30s and that they would retain the same levels.

Which players:

a) were relied upon by Wilder in the Premier League
b) have already declined
c) were over 30 when they signed their last contract extension?

 

[Now and again]

If you love wilder that much go and support boro !

I love what he did for the club and I hope he has success at Boro.

I hope even more that we have success again and that Slav can be the man to deliver it.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Hi Stegosaurus here,

I think Wilder was overrated.

He fluked his way into an admittedly good formation--maybe I'll stretch to a great formation. But then, when teams figured it out, there was no Plan B and he stubbornly stuck with it even though it clearly wasnt working.

Then, he flat-out lost the dressing room with his comments after the Leicester match and playing Lundstram even though he clearly didn't care which had a negative impact on the rest of the side.

Not to mention the millions he spaffed away.

 

[Now and again]

Hi Stegosaurus here

Thanks for your kind words.

You my friend are incredibly welcome. Enjoy the FA cup replay trip to Fulham.

It’s lovely this time of year on a cold Tuesday night.

 

[Now and again]

You my friend are incredibly welcome. Enjoy the FA cup replay trip to Fulham.

It’s lovely this time of year on a cold Tuesday night.

Plymouth

 

[Chingo]

I love what he did for the club and I hope he has success at Boro.

I hope even more that we have success again and that Slav can be the man to deliver it.

Do you love ALL that he did for the club ?

 

[Now and again]

Do you love ALL that he did for the club ?

No.

I loved where he took us from and for giving us our pride and identity back.

I loved smashing the entitled pigs all over their shit hole of a ground.

And many other memories.

 

[Blad]

The. Greatest.

 

[steve26272]

But my personal opinion is that if Chris was still at the football club we would be closer to Promotion than we currently find ourselves.

UTB

I would agree, if we are talking about the CW of the first 3.5 years, 100%

But if he hadn’t lost the plot monumentally, and took the team down, we wouldn’t be fighting for promotion, we’d still be in the Prem

 

[DaleHillBlade]

Is this the obituary thread?

 

[Nagima]

The reason some of the fans are critical of Wilder is down to the legacy of what he has left behind and the fear that we are fucked for a few years.
Everyone would agree that he was really successful and took us on a great journey. But he has left the club in a precarious position due to overpaying for players that have not performed.
The squad lacks leadership and athleticism..We should have been in a good position with parachute payments etc after two seasons in the Championship. But it looks like we don't have a pot to pass in and nobody seems to be interested in buying any of our squad.

 

[Now and again]

I would agree, if we are talking about the CW of the first 3.5 years, 100%

But if he hadn’t lost the plot monumentally, and took the team down, we wouldn’t be fighting for promotion, we’d still be in the Prem

I think it’s unfair for anyone to describe it as losing the plot or losing his marbles.

I didn’t agree that he lost anything, other than football matches at a incredibly difficult time under difficult circumstances.

 

[Now and again]

The reason some of the fans are critical of Wilder is down to the legacy of what he has left behind and the fear that we are fucked for a few years.
Everyone would agree that he was really successful and took us on a great journey. But he has left the club in a precarious position due to overpaying for players that have not performed.
The squad lacks leadership and athleticism..We should have been in a good position with parachute payments etc after two seasons in the Championship. But it looks like we don't have a pot to pass in and nobody seems to be interested in buying any of our squad.

We are only in this position on the back of him over achieving in the first place. With the team we had it was a miracle that we achieved in our first season.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Which players:

a) were relied upon by Wilder in the Premier League
b) have already declined
c) were over 30 when they signed their last contract extension?

Basham, Stevens, Didz & Billy? Jags as well to a lesser extent.

 

[steve26272]

I think it’s unfair for anyone to describe it as losing the plot or losing his marbles.

I didn’t agree that he lost anything, other than football matches at a incredibly difficult time under difficult circumstances.

I’m not mocking him or anyone else that has any issues with mental health mate

But in the first prem season he was ‘we will give anyone a game’ & ‘effort is a given, not something that should be applauded’ to ‘how can we compete’ & ‘this team isn’t good enough’ in season2

His sniping at the board in interviews and stubbornness around Lunny, lack of a plan B, regression from a front foot team to sit back and hope for a 1-0 was clear for all to see.

As you say he lost football matches, but the above is what contributed to that, and that imo is losing the plot albeit in a professional sense

Hopefully a break from the pressure will have allowed him to clear his head,

As for all I blame him for leading us to relegation, I thank him for leading us there in the first place

I don’t think the 2 have to be mutually exclusive

 

[Now and again]

I’m not mocking him or anyone else that has any issues with mental health mate

But in the first prem season he was ‘we will give anyone a game’ & ‘effort is a given, not something that should be applauded’ to ‘how can we compete’ & ‘this team isn’t good enough’ in season2

His sniping at the board in interviews and stubbornness around Lunny, lack of a plan B, regression from a front foot team to sit back and hope for a 1-0 was clear for all to see.

As you say he lost football matches, but the above is what contributed to that, and that imo is losing the plot albeit in a professional sense

Hopefully a break from the pressure will have allowed him to clear his head,

As for all I blame him for leading us to relegation, I thank him for leading us there in the first place

I don’t think the 2 have to be mutually exclusive

Sorry pal I wasn’t accusing you of mocking him, he was obviously under a lot of pressure at the time. And as anyone who has experienced sustained pressure for a long period knows it will take a toll.

Like I say he will have learnt things about himself during that tough period, I don’t blame him solely or personally for relegation.

The gulf from Championship to Premier League is as big as it has ever been. Look at Leeds, Norwich, Villa. Brentford are currently doing a Blades, but that won’t last.

So I don’t blame him for relegation because we won the lottery by the fact he worked miracles in getting us there in the first place.

 

[BigBed]

Couldnt give a toss what anyonelse thinks of Wilder, but I will always thank the guy, for giving me the best 4yrs I've had as a Blade!
He was an awesome manager, he brought the fans and the club back together, he lifted us all, not only did he take us to 9th in the premier league after 6yrs in league 1!!, he made us believe again, he performed miracles, and, ok, he made some shocking signings, but he also made some good ones, and gave us an identity that we had lost.
The man is a Blades legend.

 

[Nagima]

We are only in this position on the back of him over achieving in the first place. With the team we had it was a miracle that we achieved in our first season.

We are potentially getting into a situation that could leave us in a worse position than when Wilder started. So yes he did a cracking job in the first number of years. But what happened over the last two years between infighting and rubbish recruitment could very well cripple us for the next few years.. He spouted about sustainability but his judgement on practically all transfers was terrible.

 

[Mario1889]

I find it unbelievable some of the criticism on here for Wilder. I can only think I that these muppets or either Pigs or Morons.

The man gave us our club and identity back, some signings may not have worked out as he or we had hoped, but I’d love to know who all these other world class players are that wanted to come to Sheffield and play on the wages that we can offer.

The narrative of him sneaking out the back door is just bollocks, he’s not that type of character. It was quite obviously a clash between him and the owners.

It’s also pathetic that people are now calling for Slav to be moved on, what does sacking a manager this early on achieve. Just look at what has happened with that approach over at the rusty side of town.

Yes we are in a shit situation and yes yesterday’s performance was one of far too many poor performances, but we are still in a decent position to build for a comeback.

For those genuine Blades on here, let’s keep it together and not behave like children, let’s behave like Blades MEN and get through this situation that we are currently in.

If anyone wants any confirmation of how bad things can get then put ITV on right now and watch the coverage of The massive. Some fat Geordie talking about a cup run where they lost in two consecutive finals and are now playing in the Dog and Duck league once again.

Keep the faith. UTB

Right so because some fans disagree with you they are either muppets, pigs or morons!?

You’re an idiot.

 

[MagnifiqueShorehamStreet]

We used to pur when Wilder ripped into his usually high performing team after the occasional blip, and admire how he absolutely would not accept mediocrity from his team. It's only fair to apply the same standards to him.

So on that basis, he gave us an incredible 3.5 seasons, the like of which I will probably never see again following this club..but, he absolutely lost his marbles in the final part of his tenure, gave us the most embarrassing season I can ever remember, refused to take his fair share of the blame and left us chronically under strength for the level at which we were playing.

So whilst I will always be thankful for the good things he did, I also resent this shit state that he largely created and then walked away from.

”Most embarrassing season, I can ever remember”, you have a very short memory then my friend.
I could list you about 25 which were a lot worse than that.
Also, we we’re playing the likes of liverpool, chelsea etc, in the middle of a pandemic with no fans at the lane or anywhere.You only got to see it through your sky tellybox.
Try any season in league 1, cept, the one when Wilder was there, for starters.

 

[Now and again]

Right so because some fans disagree with you they are either muppets, pigs or morons!?

You’re an idiot.

No not at all. You are missing what I’ve said.
It’s not about me it’s about the respect that should be shown to a man who did so much for the club.

I wasn’t calling anyone anything from a personal point of view.

But you I am going to call a Moron.

 

[ancientblade]

McBurnie for starters you teing me we coudn't have spent £20m on a better player from abroad? Dennis for example much cheaper. Look at leeds the players they signed.

we could have had jarrad bowen for the same 20k that mcburnie cost what a mistake that was

 

[Stretch]

”Most embarrassing season, I can ever remember”, you have a very short memory then my friend.
I could list you about 25 which were a lot worse than that.
Also, we we’re playing the likes of liverpool, chelsea etc, in the middle of a pandemic with no fans at the lane or anywhere.You only got to see it through your sky tellybox.
Try any season in league 1, cept, the one when Wilder was there, for starters.

Well if you measure embarrassment by league position, then obviously we have had much worse times, but seriously have we ever looked so hopelessly out of our depth as we did in that season? Has any team in fact?

The global exposure of that league isn't a good thing when you are putting on 'performances' like we were week in and week out.

Thankfully we avoided beating Derby's 'record', but didn't we still end up as one the lowest scorers ever?

Never have I been so relieved to see a season finish. It was excruciating.

 

[wizadry]

Wilder was as much to blame for promotion as he was for the relegation, I’m not sure what’s confusing about the two. He did wonders then he didn’t, it really is that simple and what a great 3 or so years he gave us, that will never be forgotten, we had some terrific days out.

I hope he fucks Boro up though because they’re a competitive rival, nothing personal.

 

[Now and again]

we could have had jarrad bowen for the same 20k that mcburnie cost what a mistake that was

Did he want to come to Sheffield?
What wage is he on at West Ham?

 

[MagnifiqueShorehamStreet]

Well if you measure embarrassment by league position, then obviously we have had much worse times, but seriously have we ever looked so hopelessly out of our depth as we did in that season? Has any team in fact?

The global exposure of that league isn't a good thing when you are putting on 'performances' like we were week in and week out.

Thankfully we avoided beating Derby's 'record', but didn't we still end up as one the lowest scorers ever?

Never have I been so relieved to see a season finish. It was excruciating.

We’ll have to agree to differ on this one.
some of the sides put out by the likes of Heath, Adkins, Sirrel,Weir, Peter’s etc, now they were truly awful.
Maybe the passage of time, has dampened your memory.
Yes, last season was poor, and we were out of our depth,but, we were playing and watching the blades against the very best players in the world.Not Crewe, Burton, and Gillingham.I remember games when we looked out of our depth against these teams.Thankfully Wilder came along and saved us from that.
Until now, that is,when sadly we are looking out of our depth against some awful teams in the Championship.Give me losing 2-1 to liverpool, and 3-2 to Man U, and not forgetting winning at Old Trafford and Goodison under Hecky,any day of the week, compared to what we saw yesterday.

 

[BLADE OF GRASS]

Yeah of course, and he like all of us will have learnt from the experiences amongst the way.

I’m not saying he’s infallible or above criticism because there are plenty of things that could have been done better.

But my personal opinion is that if Chris was still at the football club we would be closer to Promotion than we currently find ourselves.

UTB

I believe he could have too but regardless of what may or may not have been going on behind the scenes if he was as bigger blade as me or many others on this forum then you would be having to drag me away from this club kicking and screaming.i certainly wouldn't have walked away as easily as he did and not with 4m in my back pocket , he promised us he wouldn't walk away and leave this club in a mess and he's done just that . He had the vast majority of us in the palm of his hand its not like he was getting pelters either I would have probably stuck by him even if we ended up in league 1 under his management, he preferred the money and the clean cv.

 

[Now and again]

I believe he could have too but regardless of what may or may not have been going on behind the scenes if he was as bigger blade as me or many others on this forum then you would be having to drag me away from this club kicking and screaming.i certainly wouldn't have walked away as easily as he did and not with 4m in my back pocket , he promised us he wouldn't walk away and leave this club in a mess and he's done just that . He had the vast majority of us in the palm of his hand its not like he was getting pelters either I would have probably stuck by him even if we ended up in league 1 under his management, he preferred the money and the clean cv.

My take is that it wasn’t a case of him walking away. It was down to his relationship with the hierarchy.

How is taking us from drowning in League 1 to the Premier league, having a tough season and yet leaving us with far more money and better quality players than when he took over leaving us in a worse position?

How much money did he bring to our club with the promotions and two Premier league seasons?

 

[vegleeds]

Problem is his detractors won’t let it go.
When will people stop whining about everything being his fault?

I'll think you'll find the thread wasn't started by a detractor. My fear is that when Middlesbrough FC under their new managership start playing games, we're going to get a slew of Boro related threads on here concerning results, tactics, success/failure etc by both detractors/hero-worshippers of our earlier manager CW to try to reinforce the validity of their entrenched views on him.

 

[Now and again]

I'll think you'll find the thread wasn't started by a detractor. My fear is that when Middlesbrough FC under their new managership start playing games, we're going to get a slew of Boro related threads on here concerning results, tactics, success/failure etc by both detractors/hero-worshippers of our earlier manager CW to try to reinforce the validity of their entrenched views on him.

So ignore them