Is Relegation The Best Result Now ?

[Jim Chimmerney]

Just interested to see what people think at this point. Are we actually better off being relegated now with all the consequences that brings or do people think we would be better off scraping out of trouble and using, potentially, a mini revival to carry a bit of momentum into next season ?

A simple 'Yes' for relegation, 'No' for staying up.

For my twopennyworth it's a 'Yes', I think we need a new broom sweeping clean from top to bottom and the only way that's going to happen is if we go down. Survive and nothing will change IMO.

 

[Gareth]

Voted NO - Relegation is never the "best option". Always build from the highest possible place...

 

[Muttley]

No not never....ever!! Do you really want defeats to our Porcine friends and......yes....the customary 2 defeats to bloody Chesterfield?

 

[raul]

Fleety says "yes" My DNA says "no". There's absolutely no evdience to suggest next season will be some sort of walk in the park in League 1. It's 4 years since our last relegation, how many expected upwards movement rather than downward then?

 

[sheffielder]

It's not best however it's the only

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

No way am I saying it would be a walk in the park but the squad (and club) needs an overhaul, and I don't think that would happen if we stayed up. IMO we would have exactly the same problems next season if we stay up and at least if we're in League 1, ther big earners will be moved on (or will jump) and MA will have a chance to re-build properly.

It feels the same as when Bassett came and took us down.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

It's not best however it's the only

Exactly. Its a bit of a nothing question in the sense that it is pointless pondering the inevitable. They're going down Jim, it matters not one bit whether we think its for the better or not.

 

[LS5 Blade]

We will still be in exactly the same position as last year with half a team to call our own, of which hardly any are good enough or quick enough. We will then go through our usual panic buy period of signing players no one else wants, and then struggle against other teams with pace and creativity no matter which division we are in.

I'd prefer the weekly humiliation in the Championship, rather than Division 3 thank you very much!

 

[Yossarian]

Some of these players need the shame of a relegation on their C.V.

 

[Selly]

It feels the same as when Bassett came and took us down.

If we can unearth a goalscoring machine at Donny for £30k, I'll agree on that point...

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I'd prefer the weekly humiliation in the Championship, rather than Division 3 thank you very much!

This. I also don`t want to be considering either:

a) Going out of the Auto Windscreens Sheild (or whatever it is called now)
b) Winning the Auto Windscreens Sheild (or whatever it is called now)
c) being out of the FA Cup by Christmas.
d) Another 3rd Division Derby (as we all know how well the last one went...)

It's just all too depressing

 

[Guesty]

Are you kidding? We'll not come back up for years! This squad isn't nearly good enough for promotion, we'll be lucky to finish top half.

We've already got far too big a wage bill for this decision, how on earth are we going to cope with vastly reduced TV revenue, attendances etc?

 

[sheffielder]

we are getting relegated, if amazingly this shower of shit get out of it this year there hardly one of the 'old' pro's who is going to improve for next year while Micky will add a few more journeymen. us being relegated will allow us to get rid of all this shower of shit and bring in youth players and young stars from other lower league clubs. Unfortunately I am getting to the point where I don't trust Micky to sign anyone decent

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Some of these players need the shame of a relegation on their C.V.

If these players felt shame we wouldn't be where we are now

 

[Micalijo]

Can't believe this - you're only saying it because you want a local game in a couple of seasons against Fleetwood.

I just cannot see anyway in which relegation could be good for the club. Have the clear out in the second tier? Why isn't that possible?

 

[TheSwollengland]

Voted No but doubt its an option at this stage

 

[Guesty]

Can't believe this - you're only saying it because you want a local game in a couple of seasons against Fleetwood.

I just cannot see anyway in which relegation could be good for the club. Have the clear out in the second tier? Why isn't that possible?

Derbies? Everyone loves a Derby. And Games against Wednesday in the third tier have historically been good for us, if I recall...

Seriously, what is everyone thinking? That if we go down we're magically going to find another Deane and Agana?

 

[JohnDenver]

Some of these players need the shame of a relegation on their C.V.

That only ever affects the manager's reputation.

Some of the players will actually be rewarded as we look to pay-off contracts. There will be no penalty clauses in there.

As for the initial question. There is no logical reason for wanting relegation. The myth of a healthy purging is nonsense. Stay up. Rebuild from there.

 

[sheffielder]

Derbies? Everyone loves a Derby. And Games against Wednesday in the third tier have historically been good for us, if I recall...

Seriously, what is everyone thinking? That if we go down we're magically going to find another Deane and Agana?

What are you expecting if we stay up?

 

[Guesty]

What are you expecting if we stay up?

Enough money to remain viable, for a start.

 

[Wapping Blade]

Voted No though I think we're down (and I'm Mr Optimistic to the nth degree).

Listening to Megson last week gave me a forecast of what might happen if we go down whereby the players think they're too good for the 3rd division and get turned over by clubs that want it more.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Relegation would (more like will) be a disaster (I wonder what will happen to all the "debt free in three years" cobblers that Birch as on about). However if a miracle occurs and we do stay up it will only prolong the inevitable. Maybe going down will force McCabe's hand and he will piss off back to Belgium, but i'm not sure what position that would leave us in financially (presumably buggered unless someone with a wedge comes in).

 

[JohnDenver]

Listening to Megson last week gave me a forecast of what might happen if we go down whereby the players think they're too good for the 3rd division and get turned over by clubs that want it more.

Just to be slightly positive (just a bit - not too much ), I doubt that attitude will prevail with us. Wendy largely kept their squad together from the relegation season. We simply don't have a squad to keep together.

Next term we'll have a new team of lower league players to play in the lower leagues. Attitude will be less of a problem than ability.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Not like me to be in the negative minority

I understand everyone's points about building from where we are etc etc but look at Leeds and Norwich. You can come back stronger and whilst that's a massive risk, I just think that relegation will be a huge kick up the arse for the club and if, by some miracle, we manage to stay up, that much needed kick up the arse won't happen.

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Relegation would (more like will) be a disaster (I wonder what will happen to all the "debt free in three years" cobblers that Birch as on about). However if a miracle occurs and we do stay up it will only prolong the inevitable. Maybe going down will force McCabe's hand and he will piss off back to Belgium, but i'm not sure what position that would leave us in financially (presumably buggered unless someone with a wedge comes in).

Just to be slightly positive (just a bit - not too much ), I doubt that attitude will prevail with us. Wendy largely kept their squad together from the relegation season. We simply don't have a squad to keep together.

Next term we'll have a new team of lower league players to play in the lower leagues. Attitude will be less of a problem than ability.

That's my point, the likes of Hendo, Evans etc will be off and we'll have no option but to replace with youngsters and lower division players. I also think it would force McCabe's hand.

 

[Guesty]

Not like me to be in the negative minority

I understand everyone's points about building from where we are etc etc but look at Leeds and Norwich. You can come back stronger and whilst that's a massive risk, I just think that relegation will be a huge kick up the arse for the club and if, by some miracle, we manage to stay up, that much needed kick up the arse won't happen.

You think we'll get the crowds Norwich and Leeds got in League 1? Not a hope in hell.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Just to be slightly positive (just a bit - not too much ), I doubt that attitude will prevail with us. Wendy largely kept their squad together from the relegation season. We simply don't have a squad to keep together.

Next term we'll have a new team of lower league players to play in the lower leagues. Attitude will be less of a problem than ability.

But thats exactly what you need, the correct players for the division you're playing in, Andy Morrison at Man City when they were in division 3 springs to mind.

 

[sheffielder]

Relegation will mean the value of this club is practically halved. McCabe (if he has the money) needs to pump in 2million quid ontop of the fireselling we are doing to actually build a team for the future, one which isn't going to be dismantled again next summer. Only then if successful will he be able to find investment.

My only worry is, does he have the money to do this, nevermind is he willing

 

[raul]

Next term we'll have a new team of lower league players to play in the lower leagues. Attitude will be less of a problem than ability.

Coupled with a lower league manager, that looks more like a plan for a long stay.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

You think we'll get the crowds Norwich and Leeds got in League 1? Not a hope in hell.

Look at our crowds in the 4th division, I appreciate that's almost 30 years ago but success will bring them back, IF we could hit the ground running.

Back to my point, will season ticket sales be considerably higher if we stay up ? Bizarrely, it could even be the opposite if the club responded to relegation by selling them on the cheap, which is the kick up the arse I'm talking about.

 

[Selly]

I understand everyone's points about building from where we are etc etc but look at Leeds and Norwich. You can come back stronger and whilst that's a massive risk, I just think that relegation will be a huge kick up the arse for the club and if, by some miracle, we manage to stay up, that much needed kick up the arse won't happen

I understand everyone's points about building from League 1 etc etc but look at Southampton and Charlton. You can languish down there for years...

 

[secretchief]

We can't build from league one because all the dead wood are on long contracts.

 

[lenners]

Relegation would be an absolute disaster for us.
We've got numerous players on contracts way above League One wages, players who may well not fancy League One but who other clubs may not fancy on the kind of wages we're paying them.
The notion that we'll suddenly rebuild looks like complete fantasy.
Staying up would have been a Godsend and presented an opportunity to stop the rot from a relative position of strength.
Financially, going down means McCabe would have to dig deep to keep the club afloat.
Given how he's treated the club in the last couple of years, United could be in danger of oblivion.