Injury crisis v Manager ability.

[Nightsweats]

Irrespective of the cause of our ridiculously dispraportionate injury list...

Has the manager got the best out of what's left.

The last 2 games have been disastrous in point returns and not encouraging in performance levels.

OK. Sander played 2 full games for Norway during the break, but who else was entitled to be even a bit tired?

Stoke will provide a stern test and we really need to get back on track. we are very lucky that so many rivals failed to make ground up this week. Had we got 6 we'd have put down a marker which would have had our rivals handing us one foot in an auto already. we didn't do it so neither did they.
The managers decisions are absolutely crucial right now and if they lead to further or prolonged injuries that's on him.

The games left before the end of the season #1 are crucial.
we need to reboot and go for wins in all of them. Worry about fatigue after that. Noone cares about Qatar and we have very few players there so shouldn't resume in any way but better off with the availability of a good number we are really missing.

The manager should maybe dial down the training if tiredness is , as he says an issue and let them burn their energies during the meaningfull 90 mins left pre season break.

 

[Keen Blade]

A manager saying his players are tired is an embarrassing admission of inadequacy.
And provides great encouragement to our rivals.

 

[BLADES1988]

disastrous

We're all gonna dieeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[Nightsweats]

We're all gonna dieeeeeeeeeeeee

How would you describe 1 point from 6 at home against Brum and QPR by the league leaders. Seriously.

 

[nopigfansintown]

He took a massive gamble on three players: Bogle, Baldock and Berge. They all limped off looking injured. Berge was a passenger for most of the match, looked shattered and needed saving from himself. Baldock was limping and went down before halftime and surprisingly came out for the second half.

Our players need managing much better. It's a relief to see Mcburnie suspended on Saturday because he'd be the next one injured.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Irrespective of the cause of our ridiculously dispraportionate injury list...

Has the manager got the best out of what's left.

The last 2 games have been disastrous in point returns and not encouraging in performance levels.

OK. Sander played 2 full games for Norway during the break, but who else was entitled to be even a bit tired?

Stoke will provide a stern test and we really need to get back on track. we are very lucky that so many rivals failed to make ground up this week. Had we got 6 we'd have put down a marker which would have had our rivals handing us one foot in an auto already. we didn't do it so neither did they.
The managers decisions are absolutely crucial right now and if they lead to further or prolonged injuries that's on him.

The games left before the end of the season #1 are crucial.
we need to reboot and go for wins in all of them. Worry about fatigue after that. Noone cares about Qatar and we have very few players there so shouldn't resume in any way but better off with the availability of a good number we are really missing.

The manager should maybe dial down the training if tiredness is , as he says an issue and let them burn their energies during the meaningfull 90 mins left pre season break.

You don't understand fitness and injuries then. Leave it to people who do.
On the one hand you want him to play players regardless of tiredness. But you want to blame him for injuries.

So I'm your book, a knackered Bogle plays. But Hecky gets it in the neck if he ends up fucked.

 

[Shoes_On]

To be top of the league despite our injury situation, I'd say he's worked miracles

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Hecky has the best attackers in the league And he doesn't know how to get the best out of them

When the starting 11 are on form not many can touch us but does that happen much in a full season when you have your first 11 all fit and firing

He doesn't know how to use players like macatee/khadra/brewster and just reverts to chucking sharp on as his go too tactic when chasing it IMO

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

He took a massive gamble on three players: Bogle, Baldock and Berge. They all limped off looking injured. Berge was a passenger for most of the match, looked shattered and needed saving from himself. Baldock was limping and went down before halftime and surprisingly came out for the second half.

Our players need managing much better. It's a relief to see Mcburnie suspended on Saturday because he'd be the next one injured.

Not sure if you can put Berge and Baldock’s injuries down to tiredness, Sander’s was caused by a challenge and George twisted awkwardly. Berge definitely looked tired but not convinced that led to the injury

Bogle I think was cramped up so tiredness definitely a factor with him.

 

[Nightsweats]

You don't understand fitness and injuries then. Leave it to people who do.
On the one hand you want him to play players regardless of tiredness. But you want to blame him for injuries.

So I'm your book, a knackered Bogle plays. But Hecky gets it in the neck if he ends up fucked.

No idea what your point is other than a childish attempt to come accross as clever.

We have a lot of injured players who can't feature.

We have a number who can make limited appearences.

We have the fully fit lot who can play the full 90.

The manager has stated publicly that those that featured agains Brum were tired. Why?

Only Berge played 2 x 90 in the break.

It's you who clearly understands nothing about how football, team selection and tactics work.

Seriously.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

No idea what your point is other than a childish attempt to come accross as clever.

We have a lot of injured players who can't feature.

We have a number who can make limited appearences.

We have the fully fit lot who can play the full 90.

The manager has stated publicly that those that featured agains Brum were tired. Why?

Only Berge played 2 x 90 in the break.

It's you who clearly understands nothing about how football, team selection and tactics work.

Seriously.

So, you'd play Bogle regardless (just as an example) ??

 

[Nightsweats]

To be top of the league despite our injury situation, I'd say he's worked miracles

Funnily enough he did better before Bogle and Sharp came back.

 

[Shoes_On]

Funnily enough he did better before Bogle and Sharp came back.

I don't think we need to be questioning the manager's ability every time we drop points. It's a long season, we're not gonna win every game. Who seriously expected us to be top at this stage?

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Not sure if you can put Berge and Baldock’s injuries down to tiredness, Sander’s was caused by a challenge and George twisted awkwardly. Berge definitely looked tired but not convinced that led to the injury

Bogle I think was cramped up so tiredness definitely a factor with him.

True, Berge was injured in the penalty incident.
Baldock came back on to see if he was ok after half time and clearly still knocked.
As a rule of thumb, playing tired players leads to injuries.
People on this thread saying otherwise (not you) will be the same ones spouting off it's all Heckies fault if he did.

 

[Nightsweats]

So, you'd play Bogle regardless (just as an example) ??

Nope. Wouldn't play Bogle beyond a few mins here and there till he was fully fit and could do 90.

Wouldn't chuck Billy on for a cameo.

I'd play the fit players wherever posible and replace them from the bench if as and when by other fit players.

No problem with the cameo, but only when the game is won, not as a last ditch hope the player might save the day.

Seems Sander and George may be lost for a while. Both avoidable.

No idea why you want to go beyond interesting debate and opinion on any of this.
You shouldn't assume you know more than anyone on here.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

True, Berge was injured in the penalty incident.
Baldock came back on to see if he was ok after half time and clearly still knocked.
As a rule of thumb, playing tired players leads to injuries.
People on this thread saying otherwise (not you) will be the same ones spouting off it's all Heckies fault if he did.

Absolutely a factor that’s fair comment but in these cases I think other factors were clearly more significant.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Nope. Wouldn't play Bogle beyond a few mins here and there till he was fully fit and could do 90.

Wouldn't chuck Billy on for a cameo.

I'd play the fit players wherever posible and replace them from the bench if as and when by other fit players.

No problem with the cameo, but only when the game is won, not as a last ditch hope the player might save the day.

Seems Sander and George may be lost for a while. Both avoidable.

No idea why you want to go beyond interesting debate and opinion on any of this.
You shouldn't assume you know more than anyone on here.

I don't know more than anybody.
But I do know ' worrying about fatigue after' like you first said, will give us a bigger injury list.

Then in the same post say

The managers decisions are absolutely crucial right now and if they lead to further or prolonged injuries that's on him.

So. You want him to play tired players, but any subsequent injuries because of that, you'll blame him?

I might have got wrong end of the stick. But I can only reply to what you wrote.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Absolutely a factor that’s fair comment but in these cases I think other factors were clearly more significant.

In case of Berge and baldock, not to do with tiredness I don't think.
I'm just meaning really the 'play em regardless, worry about fatigue later' comment.
I think that adds to our problems. I'd rather see players filling in , out of position, than risk more injuries.

 

[LewishamBlade]

Irrespective of the cause of our ridiculously dispraportionate injury list...

Has the manager got the best out of what's left.

The last 2 games have been disastrous in point returns and not encouraging in performance levels.

OK. Sander played 2 full games for Norway during the break, but who else was entitled to be even a bit tired?

Stoke will provide a stern test and we really need to get back on track. we are very lucky that so many rivals failed to make ground up this week. Had we got 6 we'd have put down a marker which would have had our rivals handing us one foot in an auto already. we didn't do it so neither did they.
The managers decisions are absolutely crucial right now and if they lead to further or prolonged injuries that's on him.

The games left before the end of the season #1 are crucial.
we need to reboot and go for wins in all of them. Worry about fatigue after that. Noone cares about Qatar and we have very few players there so shouldn't resume in any way but better off with the availability of a good number we are really missing.

The manager should maybe dial down the training if tiredness is , as he says an issue and let them burn their energies during the meaningfull 90 mins left pre season break.

God forbid we play a 4 though, it’ll be like playing without a keeper

 

[CPB]

We are a bit barebones at the back basically.
Last season at the end it was more our forward line and the right side of defence.

We weren't actually that bad vs QPR. More bad final decision final ball between us creating more clear cut chances.

But just think about our current injuries for our defensive options: J.Robinson, E.Stevens, B.Osborn, G.Baldock, A.A, Max Lowe, C.Clark. That's SEVEN out!
And Bogle's only just returned.

As for what players are entitled to be tired. Egan, Berge, N'Diaye, Baldock, Jebbison, Khadra, Doyle, Brewster, Norrington Davies all went and trained with their respective international call ups. All played at least some part. N'Diaye probably got the least amount of minutes but still had to travel.
Of these players called up all aside from Jebbison have featured/started for us since returning.

 

[Tom Bott]

How would you describe 1 point from 6 at home against Brum and QPR by the league leaders. Seriously.

How do you describe being top of the league ?
When have we ever won all of our games.

 

[anglian blade]

How would you describe 1 point from 6 at home against Brum and QPR by the league leaders. Seriously.

Disappointing, not a disaster.

 

[BLADES1988]

How would you describe 1 point from 6 at home against Brum and QPR by the league leaders. Seriously.

Not too bad considering -

1 mistake against brum = 1 goal. Just unlucky.
1 goal conceded against a decent well rested QPR side. We had enough chances to win the game and the refs were a complete joke. We had loads of very tired lads and still loads of injurys.

 

[Badger Blade]

Not that I'm advocating losing games but we can't win them all (as long as it doesn't become a habit). What's hard to take is that we gave points away due to silly lapses against teams who aren't exactly world beaters but at the same time are good enough to punish you. QPR in particular are no mugs and might well be in the top 6 mix come the end of the season.

Birmingham was down to some dreadful defending leaving Deeney all on his own and QPR, RND gave Willock a bit too much space and Wes was beaten on his near post. If these errors hadn't occurred, we'd be looking at a 1-0 and a 0-0. Hardly captivating stuff but we'd be getting the job done and negotiating the situation we're in pretty well.

We have looked disjointed, particularly against QPR. Tiredness shouldn't be an issue at this stage of the season, we're only 2 months in. If it is (and based on Tuesday's performance, it looked like it) then there need to be some looks inward to manage that during the week.

You don't want to send players into games cold off no training whatsoever but not to have slogged their guts out and have nothing in the tank when it matters so there's a balance to strike that we might not be doing at the moment.

 

[LSF]

How would you describe 1 point from 6 at home against Brum and QPR by the league leaders. Seriously.

Something that happens occasionally during a season, even to teams at top of league.
Not desirable but not disastrous either.
And if you're still top after this, can't be all bad.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Nope. Wouldn't play Bogle beyond a few mins here and there till he was fully fit and could do 90.

Wouldn't chuck Billy on for a cameo.

I'd play the fit players wherever posible and replace them from the bench if as and when by other fit players.

No problem with the cameo, but only when the game is won, not as a last ditch hope the player might save the day.

Seems Sander and George may be lost for a while. Both avoidable.

No idea why you want to go beyond interesting debate and opinion on any of this.
You shouldn't assume you know more than anyone on here.

Crikey Nightsweats you should be a doctor or physio the way you talk.

Hecki has said more than once they are carefull bringing back players after injury Bogle a classic example he is monitored all way through his injury, he wouldn't be playing if not fit enough .
Hecki has done a remarkable job getting us top of the league with all the setbacks we've had.
He knows what he's doing and no manager risks players beyond what there levels are.
Leave the people who know to get on with it.
Top of the league with an entire team out is a remarkable stat.

 

[mattbianco1]

Stoke will provide a stern test

0pts there as they've achieved in each of my 4 visits to that shithole city/ground.

Actually, my memory is toss. I've seen us draw there 3 times and lose once. The draws felt like defeats though.

 

[blade67]

I don't think we need to be questioning the manager's ability every time we drop points. It's a long season, we're not gonna win every game. Who seriously expected us to be top at this stage?

Quite right.

It's a points accumulation process. We have more than everyone else after 12 games. If people want to "blame" the manager for that, I'm sure he'll take it.

Hecky has probably made some mistakes, and I'm sure he'll make some more before the season is out. Overall he's done well so far.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

In reality we've been able to put out a very strong team all season despite the injuries. It's a bit of a miracle. I'd expect us to be top 6 with what we've had available

The test is coming now our line up is genuinely disturbed, and so far we've failed the test

If PH carries on approaching it like Tuesday we'll have more injuries in no time whilst continuing to drop points

 

[Harry's Game]

Irrespective of the cause of our ridiculously dispraportionate injury list...

Has the manager got the best out of what's left.

The last 2 games have been disastrous in point returns and not encouraging in performance levels.

OK. Sander played 2 full games for Norway during the break, but who else was entitled to be even a bit tired?

Stoke will provide a stern test and we really need to get back on track. we are very lucky that so many rivals failed to make ground up this week. Had we got 6 we'd have put down a marker which would have had our rivals handing us one foot in an auto already. we didn't do it so neither did they.
The managers decisions are absolutely crucial right now and if they lead to further or prolonged injuries that's on him.

The games left before the end of the season #1 are crucial.
we need to reboot and go for wins in all of them. Worry about fatigue after that. Noone cares about Qatar and we have very few players there so shouldn't resume in any way but better off with the availability of a good number we are really missing.

The manager should maybe dial down the training if tiredness is , as he says an issue and let them burn their energies during the meaningfull 90 mins left pre season break.

Do you Moonlight at The Daily Mail writing those stories about World War 3 ?