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Bogle and Lowe are ripping it up at the moment, but I would feel much better if Baldock and RND were available too.

I still think a fully fit RND offers more than Lowe. The two of them together were great.
Robinson is hitting some really good form again now, we saw it last season. I like what he brings.
Clark has always looked very steady for us when he's turned out.

We have good depth in that area, just a shame we can't seem to get them all available and competing with each other.
 

Sounds like Doyle has been fit for the past week but Hecky went with the same squad vs Boro
I’m still scratching my head how Fleck didn’t play any part in the Wrexham game but then came on vs Swansea.

Once Baldock & Doyle are back it’s a tough squad to get in. I presume Coulibaly & Osborn drop out.

Does Sharp get in the squad ahead of Jebbo? Probably for experience but you’d want Jebbo in there too so you’re dropping another good pro
 
I’m still scratching my head how Fleck didn’t play any part in the Wrexham game but then came on vs Swansea.

Once Baldock & Doyle are back it’s a tough squad to get in. I presume Coulibaly & Osborn drop out.

Does Sharp get in the squad ahead of Jebbo? Probably for experience but you’d want Jebbo in there too so you’re dropping another good pro
I'd say timing re Fleck. Probably not wanting to risk him against Wrexham.

I think your first team and subs, with everyone fit, would look something like:

----------------------------------------Wes
-----------Bogle/Baldock-----Anel---Egan---Clark-----RND
-----------------------Berge----------Norwood------McAtee
------------------------------Ndiaye----------McBurnie

subs:



Managers like to have 2 forwards on the bench. He may even lose a defender or midfielder and have Jebbo in there as well.

You could potentially have:

Davies, Bash, Osborn, Doyle, Sharp, Brewster, Jebbo
 
First of all, gutted to lose to Middlesbrough. I felt like a victory over them would have sealed things for us.
Now, I worry about a momentum shift going into a tough run of fixtures.
XG models apparently have us at around 2.5 suggesting we probably should have won the match. As per previous posts in other threads, it isn't how I saw the game. They looked a lot stronger than us in that 2nd half and looked good value for their win.

In recent years, we've always bounced back from disappointments strongly and we will need our leaders to stand-up this Saturday... we miss the character and tenacity of the likes of Baldock and RND in times like these.

In terms of injuries, the good news is that Tommy Doyle has now completed a full week of training so will be available for this Saturday's trip to Millwall.
We lost the midfield battle on Wednesday night, not for the first time this season - so maybe we'll see McAtee dropped and one of; Fleck, Coulibaly, Osborn or Doyle given the nod. Personally, I don't think any of them are the answer to our troubles... but one of them might (at least) improve things.

Billy Sharp's injury doesn't sound as bad as first feared. He won't be around this weekend but maybe by the Watford or Spurs games...

No update on Baldock or Stevens, who I thought might be nearing a return by now.
RND and Brewster, we assume, are still some way off.


Revised guesses below:

T Doyle - mid-February 2023 (3 weeks) - calf

W Osula - late February 2023 (5 weeks) - fractured jaw

B Sharp - late-February 2023 - (2 weeks) ankle injury

G Baldock - early-March 2023 (6 weeks) - hamstring strain

E Stevens - early-2023 (6 weeks) - unknown muscular injury

R Brewster - March 2023 (5 months) - hamstring surgery

R Norrington-Davies - March 2023 (5 months) - hamstring surgery

Guess at the team away to Millwall:

..........................Foderingham
............Basham....Egan.......Robinson
...Bogle..............................................Lowe
.........Berge.......Norwood...........Osborn
...................Ndiaye.......McBurnie

Subs: Davies, Ahmedhodzic, Clark, McAtee, Coulibaly, Doyle, Jebbison.

I don't know why, but I have a feeling he may give Anel a rest this Saturday. He looked shattered on Wednesday night and I worry that we're burning him out post-glandular fever.
Another player that I would rest would be Ndiaye. Another one who's levels have dropped and we need to look after. I'd give Jebbison a run out but I doubt Hecky will go for it.
Finally, after losing the midfield battle on Wednesday night, I can see Heckingbottom dropping McAtee and bringing someone else in. Osborn is probably the one he trusts the most right now based on fitness levels (over Doyle and Fleck) and experience (over Coulibaly).
 
I'd say timing re Fleck. Probably not wanting to risk him against Wrexham.

I think your first team and subs, with everyone fit, would look something like:

----------------------------------------Wes
-----------Bogle/Baldock-----Anel---Egan---Clark-----RND
-----------------------Berge----------Norwood------McAtee
------------------------------Ndiaye----------McBurnie

subs:



Managers like to have 2 forwards on the bench. He may even lose a defender or midfielder and have Jebbo in there as well.

You could potentially have:

Davies, Bash, Osborn, Doyle, Sharp, Brewster, Jebbo
I get your team but your bench is missing Baldock or Bogle & Lowe. Tough decision with good players missing out.

No wonder the prince is skint paying for this amount of quality to be sat in the medical room
 
If he rests Anel , is Bash strong enough in the air ?
If he rests McAtee , he'll play Osborn which isn't much use in going forward so Berge will have to be bang at it creatively.
I doubt he'll start Doyle or Fleck..
I do like the look of Coulibaly but being as R footer he can only replace Norwood or Berge , so he'll be on the bench.
 
I'd say timing re Fleck. Probably not wanting to risk him against Wrexham.

I think your first team and subs, with everyone fit, would look something like:

----------------------------------------Wes
-----------Bogle/Baldock-----Anel---Egan---Clark-----RND
-----------------------Berge----------Norwood------McAtee
------------------------------Ndiaye----------McBurnie

subs:



Managers like to have 2 forwards on the bench. He may even lose a defender or midfielder and have Jebbo in there as well.

You could potentially have:

Davies, Bash, Osborn, Doyle, Sharp, Brewster, Jebbo

It'll never happen, but if everyone was available...

........................Foderingham
...............Anel.......Egan.......Clark
...Bogle..........................................RND
.........Berge.......Norwood.......McAtee
...................Ndiaye.......McBurnie

Subs: Davies, Baldock, Basham, Robinson, Doyle, Brewster, Jebbison.

Jebbison & Brewster get the nod over Sharp as I think they're capable of changing a game with their attributes.
 
It'll never happen, but if everyone was available...

........................Foderingham
...............Anel.......Egan.......Clark
...Bogle..........................................RND
.........Berge.......Norwood.......McAtee
...................Ndiaye.......McBurnie

Subs: Davies, Baldock, Basham, Robinson, Doyle, Brewster, Jebbison.

Jebbison & Brewster get the nod over Sharp as I think they're capable of changing a game with their attributes.
Yes but with RND at LCB and Lowe at LWB. They were excellent together before the injuries. Lowe doesn’t even make your bench which I don’t get at all.
 
Yes but with RND at LCB and Lowe at LWB. They were excellent together before the injuries. Lowe doesn’t even make your bench which I don’t get at all.

Don't get me wrong, I really rate Lowe at this level.

The choice was between Robinson or Lowe and Robinson got the nod because he covers more positions in an emergency.
 

I don't know why, but I have a feeling he may give Anel a rest this Saturday. He looked shattered on Wednesday night and I worry that we're burning him out post-glandular fever.

Another player that I would rest would be Ndiaye. Another one who's levels have dropped and we need to look after. I'd give Jebbison a run out but I doubt Hecky will go for it.

Finally, after losing the midfield battle on Wednesday night, I can see Heckingbottom dropping McAtee and bringing someone else in. Osborn is probably the one he trusts the most right now based on fitness levels (over Doyle and Fleck) and experience (over Coulibaly).


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Certainly wasn't far out with the logic this week!
 
CM, can I just clarify why you think Boro are likely to be our nearest rival, when we are 12 points, and 3 positions clear of them, as well as being above them in most of the form tables?

I don't doubt that they have had a good run of late, and are likely to finish strongly, but all the historic models show that 12 points is quite a gap to close, even with this many games left and considering that we are still one of the form teams of the division.

Our nearest rival is Burnley, and we shouldn't discount Watford so easily perhaps, unless I am missing something here?

Hi Stretch,

Between the international break in September and the World Cup break in November we played 11 games.

We went six games without a win and eventually our form picked up and we went on a little run.
We got 15 points from those 11 games, equivalent to 1.36 points / game.

We have 10 injuries again and we've only been back a few weeks. The number is climbing, rather than reducing.

Do I think it's at least possible that we could have another injury crisis and go through a similar dip in form? Yes, I do.
Which is why I think a lot of people's confidence levels (those saying promotion is nay certain) are too high and very premature with 20 games (!) still to go.

By the way, I'm not predicting anything. I'm just concerned by the conditioning of our squad and see it as the only barrier to us pissing it... this is why I pay particular attention to the injury status.

Stretch now can you see why, six / seven weeks ago, I was describing Middlesbrough as our biggest challenge?

A lot called me miserable but it felt inevitable to me that one of the chasing pack would put together a big run and at some point we'd have a dip. I thought our dip would come around now, with the run we're going into but I expected it to be due to injuries.
We've actually improved quite a lot on the injury front and have nigh on a first XI out most weeks.

The January transfer window has really hurt us. You can see what an injection of quality has done to Middlesbrough. They're flying high and they look fresh.
Our squad looks tired. Bogle, Anel, Egan, Norwood, Berge, Doyle, Ndiaye... it's harder to actually find one of our players that is in good form at the moment.

Fans were declaring themselves as 90% sure we'd be promoted... in January. It felt so, so premature to be doing that.
We're still favourites but it's going to take really good form to hold Middlesbrough off.
Anybody that thought we could coast in showing midtable form was in Dreamland.
 
Illness been going through the squad the last few weeks. Would explain a few things.
 
It'll never happen, but if everyone was available...

........................Foderingham
...............Anel.......Egan.......Clark
...Bogle..........................................RND
.........Berge.......Norwood.......McAtee
...................Ndiaye.......McBurnie

Subs: Davies, Baldock, Basham, Robinson, Doyle, Brewster, Jebbison.

Jebbison & Brewster get the nod over Sharp as I think they're capable of changing a game with their attributes.

I'd probably agree, but bar Clark for JLT, and Lowe for RND, that's what we've had the last couple of games! Frustrating that as we seem to be getting closer to having a theoretical best XI available, we're losing form. It happens to the best, and worst, teams, however - and this is the Championship.

I wouldn't be losing too much faith, but there's certainly no let up in coming games in terms of opposition. Given we have 3 midweeks in a row now, hopefully Baldock, Fleck, and even Enda are in a position where they can cover some minutes.
 
i think its 50/50 between robinson and clark but i would drop lowe for robinson at lwb and put clark back in at lcb think in midfield i think i would go for mcatee over doyle
 
A tough week and an opportunity blown.
Had we avoided defeat in those two games, I think we'd be very close to being un-catchable. As it is, we've left the door open and incentivised Middlesbrough to chase us down. It's re-shaped the external discourse amongst media and fans but hopefully the players aren't distracted by it.
It's going to take a big effort to onto 2nd spot.

The second half against Middlesbrough and first half to Millwall, were really poor performances.
We have to find a way of performing for longer spells in games - as, at present - we only seem to have a good 20-30 mins in us. It's been enough against lower-end opposition, but Middlesbrough and Millwall have shown us that it won't be enough against better sides.
We need to improve quickly.

It doesn't sound like those improvements are going to come in the form of returning absentees.... On the injury front, we've had no update lately on the timelines of any of our missing players. Some of which, Baldock and RND in particular, could make a big impact...
However, we do have players like Ahmedhodzic, Clark and Fleck waiting in the wings.
At their best, all would give us a stronger defensive platform to work from... something that has been missing from our identity in recent weeks.


Revised guesses below:

W Osula - late February 2023 (5 weeks) - fractured jaw

B Sharp - early-March 2023 - (3 weeks) ankle injury

G Baldock - early-March 2023 (6 weeks) - hamstring strain

E Stevens - early-2023 (6 weeks) - unknown muscular injury

R Brewster - March 2023 (5 months) - hamstring surgery

R Norrington-Davies - March 2023 (5 months) - hamstring surgery

Guess at the team for Watford's visit:

..........................Foderingham
....................Anel....Egan.......Clark
...Bogle..............................................Lowe
.................Norwood.......Fleck
......Berge...................................Ndiaye
...........................McBurnie

Subs: Davies, Basham, Robinson, Osborn, Doyle, McAtee, Jebbison.


Watford
It isn't a great time to be playing Watford. They're the only club in the league who seem to have had injury troubles as bad as ours.
The cavalry seems to be returning for the run-in now and they arrive off the back of a good win over West Brom.
It isn't going to be an easy game but we can help ourselves by keeping things a lot tighter and being a little less gung-ho than in our recent losses.

Defence
We've been unusually vulnerable in recent weeks. The best defence in the league is suddenly leaking 3 goals a game... and soft ones at that.
It needs a reset and the best way to do that is to make some changes. Anel & Clark are my preferred choices in the back 3.

Medium / long term - as soon as Baldock and RND are fit, I would stick them back into the XI in place of Bogle & Lowe who seem to have gone well off the boil. We miss their heart and grit in moments like this.

Midfield
Our weakest area. We were completely outplayed by Middlesbrough and Millwall in the middle of the park.
We've needed reinforcements in there for a few transfer windows, but sadly the embargo has stopped play.
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of Tommy Doyle. I thought he was our worst player again last weekend (goal aside). We know Osborn lacks the quality, he shouldn't start other than in emergencies .... and PH doesn't seem to trust Coulibaly.
Therefore, getting Fleck back to where he was in the run-in last season probably represents our best shot at getting some sort of decent shape in midfield.
It is a long-shot, as he isn't naturally the best conditioned of athletes but we have to try.

Forwards
McBurnie is probably the only player to come out of the last couple of games with any credit. He looked bang up for it. Led the the line well, tried to hold and link at every opportunity and defended our box from set-pieces. He's a no-brainer.

McAtee and Jebbison are strong options off the bench.
 
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I'd put Robinson in his best position centre of the defence where he doesn't have to worry about passing and coming out with the ball, and either drop Egan or put Egan on the right if Annel isn't available and Clarke at L/H centre back
Just my twopence
 

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