If Wilder is sacked….

[Kenilworth]

What are you on about?

You've presumed a hell of a lot from my post.

No I haven’t. You’ve just advocated the removal of responsibility from one person to another person. That’s all.

Then the DoF might be even harder to shift as we have a carousel of head coaches that come and go I a Watford style. Not sure that would be much of an improvement.

 

[Tarqs]

Revisionist claptrap.
Jokanovic was useless. Hecky proved that. Same group but almost got up in the play offs.
You’re just a sucker for rh “exotic” regardless of quality, Tarqs, admit it

Jokanovic had a record of promotion from this division. 2 from 2 attempts, albeit one was with a top top side at this level.

It's not revisionist at all. Yeah Hecky got more out of the players than Jokanovic, but Jokanovic wasn't backed at all. He even said before he pissed off that no promises to him were delivered.

Horses for courses and all that.

 

[Keen Blade]

I thought that too as I was typing. But the point being, we need to aim high post-Wilder, we need to give someone the keys to the club and build a proper project. I’m unsure where the club thinks it’s going at the moment, there’s a distinct lack of direction.

It has to come from the owners.
What is their plan ?
Is it REALLY for PL ? For more than one painful season ?
Have they yet acquired ANY nouse , about UK Soccer ball , with which to identify what's required to achieve it ?
Can't they see that bumbling along with Wilder and the current structure might keep the Wilderettes happy , but will NEVER get them closer to their objective.
The whole staff of the club has reached the end of a cycle and is stale , like last week's bread.
This is the perennial problem with remote owners , if you don't have a credible business structure in place , under which performance & progress can be monitored.
Remote owners can't sense what's going on from a distance.
Wilder can keep telling them
"You have to do a lot of things right to win a tight game of football"
and they are forced to swallow it till the cows come home.
They have no means to cross-examine him.
RS interviews don't help them coz the sycophantic feckers never ask the killer questions which fans pose on here.
As a criminal barrister , used to polite but incisive questioning , I am grinding my teeth in frustration at the lack of journalistic enquiry.
From another angle , it is heartening to see some non-parachute clubs at the top - but we've HAD that £ and we've now failed twice to get back up , and the tap's turned off.
However much I love the club and however much I sing & shout , that's a relative failure in anyone's book.
Whether it's Wilder in or Wilder out , I'm just aching for the owners to "get a grip" because imo they're fiddling while Rome burns.
And their populist "bladey bladey line" with Wilder for life followed by Sharp , is deeply disturbing.

 

[The Crab]

Yep.
Do those elements go away by the change of manager?
The new boss would still have to address them.
It’ll still be a huge rebuild.

The recruitment wasn’t Wilder’s fault in the closed season. Bord wasn’t a Wilder fan boy, he just wanted to fleece the club to prove his new toy. COH showed they are clueless about football but had the balls to recognise the bollock they had dropped.

Agreed, change is needed. However, that change needs to take place in the background, whilst a rebuild is taking place.

You may wish to allow someone else to manage that rebuild but my contention is that Wilder is probably the best person to sort it this time around and if it’s shite by 15-20 games in then make a change then.

That’s fair enough Ken. At least you didn’t patronise me like a certain poster the other day.

I might not agree with you (actually some of your points I am in agreement with) but I’m of the view that we will start next season with Wilder. There can be no excuses though, he has more or less a clean sheet of paper and a big job moving out the dross.

This isn’t the worst team I’ve seen, but more worrying for me is that I’ve never given less of a shit about a team as I do right now. It’s the most un-wilder wilder team I’ve ever seen. Unfit and mentally weak, dialling it in most weeks.

We will see what happens eh

 

[Tom Bott]

weeeeerz ambition

It's also known as 'investment' on the world football forums.
Top six earn loads of money.

Strangely there is little room for more than 6 clubs in there though.

Listening to FH tonight, losses for league 1 football clubs have trebled in the last four years.

Football fans have no comprehension of 'losses' - it's not our business that's losing £ 6/10 million per year.
It's not our money.

Yet we think it's our club.

See the near bankrupt SWFC.

 

[Tom Bott]

but we've HAD that £ and we've now failed twice to get back up , and the tap's turned off.
However much I love the club and however much I sing & shout , that's a relative failure in anyone's book.

Precisely what QPR, Norwich, Stoke,Derby Watford and more are also saying.

If only there was room for 20/30 clubs in the top six.

 

[KMC-1889]

Wilder gets another season for me. As frustrated as I am with watching us at the moment, but if not... Michael Skubala

No chance Skubala leaves a club with a young, hungry owner with his head screwed on and a fantastic club set up to come and work at our circus.

 

[Tom Bott]

I think most people would like to see a DOF appointed as it would give some comfort that there'd be a 'football person' helping to make football decisions.

Look at the lifespan of the average DOF though, they get swapped as often as managers.

Provides a new potential scapegoat though, so that's a plus.

 

[KMC-1889]

No I haven’t. You’ve just advocated the removal of responsibility from one person to another person. That’s all.

Then the DoF might be even harder to shift as we have a carousel of head coaches that come and go I a Watford style. Not sure that would be much of an improvement.

Watford are currently 7 places above us.

Heaven forbid we try and do something modern and forward thinking.

 

[Tom Bott]

No chance Skubala leaves a club with a young, hungry owner with his head screwed on and a fantastic club set up to come and work at our circus.

Very valid point.

Let's sack our manager, appoint a-n other, employ an AI model to hoover up a whole bunch of random players.
Any potential new manager is going to look at that fiasco and think, that's not a well run club.

Though no one on here is pointing that much blame at the new owners - yet.
After all many were saying that we needed to use AI - think Brentford and Brighton,-what could possibly go wrong, though that narrative has died down after our summer debacle.

The James Bord ( Mr AI ) bid of near £ 40 million for the car crash that is Pork central shows that AI is as much bollocks as the future.

Let's just focus the narrative on blaming Wilder, as the scapegoat of this month.

 

[Eggy]

It’s not going to happen as Wilder will still be here next season. I will chuck Tom Cleverlys name in. Basket case of a club at Watford who don’t have patience,same as us really. Doing a fantastic job and on the verge of the playoffs from being relegation certs. Plays good football as he was decent himself.

I don't know if you're being ironic, or not. But if not, then I hate to break this to you, but unsurprisingly, he was sacked nearly 12 months ago. They're on their 4th manger since his departure.

 

[Tom Bott]

Watford are currently 7 places above us.

Heaven forbid we try and do something modern and forward thinking.

When they fail to reach the play offs once more they can then employ their 13th new manager in the last five years.

Or their 4th. new sporting director/DOF.

It's all progress and forward thinking.

 

[Kenilworth]

Jokanovic had a record of promotion from this division. 2 from 2 attempts, albeit one was with a top top side at this level.

It's not revisionist at all. Yeah Hecky got more out of the players than Jokanovic, but Jokanovic wasn't backed at all. He even said before he pissed off that no promises to him were delivered.

Horses for courses and all that.

Yes, he did but have you seen his record after us?

 

[Kenilworth]

That’s fair enough Ken. At least you didn’t patronise me like a certain poster the other day.

I might not agree with you (actually some of your points I am in agreement with) but I’m of the view that we will start next season with Wilder. There can be no excuses though, he has more or less a clean sheet of paper and a big job moving out the dross.

This isn’t the worst team I’ve seen, but more worrying for me is that I’ve never given less of a shit about a team as I do right now. It’s the most un-wilder wilder team I’ve ever seen. Unfit and mentally weak, dialling it in most weeks.

We will see what happens eh

With you there, Crabby
It's a very unlikeable set of players.
Brooksy aside, I'm not sure I like any of them

 

[Kenilworth]

Watford are currently 7 places above us.

Heaven forbid we try and do something modern and forward thinking.

They didn't have the start we had this season
How many managers / coaches have they gone through?
Last season we were miles ahead of them
This season COH shot the horse, fell off the cart and slipped on the shit the horse left as it had its arse blown off.

And I am not anti change. I am anti knee jerk to just go for a different manager purely for the sake of it, or a DoF for the skae of it, without the major infrastrucutre changes that are fundamentally necessary.
Doing something modern and forward thinking would be a step change. When has a Sheff U board ever done that?
Just replacing one lynchpin with a different type of lynchpin with all the risk that goes with it, if the decision isn't right, is just playing at it.
Get the infrastructure in place. Invest in the Cat 1. Sort the med & conditioning team out. Then move from there.
Wilder won't be in charge for ever. People will get their wish, soon enough.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Look, I would never ever call for Chris Wilder to be sacked…But conversely, l would no longer get into an argument with someone who does.

 

[Aston max]

 

[54yrblade]

With you there, Crabby
It's a very unlikeable set of players.
Brooksy aside, I'm not sure I like any of them

Other than memories of Hamer's occasional 'moments' none will live long in the memory once they're gone.
Bob Booker and Monty weren't world beaters but they gave it everything they had.

I believe it's called 'character' and 'proper Sheffield United players'. This lot aren't even in the same post code.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

I don't know if you're being ironic, or not. But if not, then I hate to break this to you, but unsurprisingly, he was sacked nearly 12 months ago. They're on their 4th manger since his departure.

Yes,I knew and yes I know Watford are a shitshow of a club. Have you tracked him down at Plymouth ? There are some decent young managers about,unfortunately they would not last 2 minutes at BDTBL as we are still living in the Wilder mark 1 era.

 

[Blade56]

Trump, win even when really we’re losing

 

[jt64]

Dominico Tedesco in Turkey. Former Schalke boss

If not available, Dave Aldedi is available and should be cheaper

 

[Dkc]

Watford are currently 7 places above us.

Heaven forbid we try and do something modern and forward thinking.

Watford are only six points above us and we play them in a couple of weeks. We could still finish the season above them.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

He will get the summer and the first 10-15 games. If things don't improve then fans will turn. Despite what is often reported in the local press, the vast majority of fans are on the fence with Wilder and what happens over the summer will push them one way or the other. You'll always have extremists on both sides but it's the ones in the middle who will eventually decide his fate.

I think you are being generous, fans are already not renewing season tickets.
If he doesn't hit the ground running he will be lucky to get 5 games.

 

[Dkc]

Yes,I knew and yes I know Watford are a shitshow of a club. Have you tracked him down at Plymouth ? There are some decent young managers about,unfortunately they would not last 2 minutes at BDTBL as we are still living in the Wilder mark 1 era.

There were some decent young managers around last summer. Including one who'd done well at Reading and Hull.

 

[ATL Recs]

I expect Chris Wilder to sign players who can play full tilt 90-plus minutes and have attacking tactics.
Like when He took the manager's job in 2016. make up proud to be Blades. If the American owners/directors back him.
Chris Wilder will get the players who will be promoted automatically next season.

It’s the players he’s signed who can’t do 90 exception is Hamer he didn’t sign him

 

[Dkc]

I think you are being generous, fans are already not renewing season tickets.
If he doesn't hit the ground running he will be lucky to get 5 games.

Season tickets only went on sale on March 26. Given that PL football was a real possibility this time last season you'd expect renewals to be down this year, but I haven't seen any numbers published.

Wilder will be given more than five games even if we lose them all (which we won't. Wilder has never lost five in a row outside the PL).

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Is this another 'only wilder can' post?

Nope, but with parachute payments stopping and investors likely to reign things in, CW staying rather than another gamble would be my first choice.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

There were some decent young managers around last summer. Including one who'd done well at Reading and Hull.

Bloke at Lincoln has done well too.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Season tickets only went on sale on March 26. Given that PL football was a real possibility this time last season you'd expect renewals to be down this year, but I haven't seen any numbers published.

Wilder will be given more than five games even if we lose them all (which we won't. Wilder has never lost five in a row outside the PL).

I meant he'll be lucky to get 5 games before fans turn on him if he doesn't hit the ground running.
I think its a certainty that season ticket sales will be down and think we will probably be looking at 24k attendances next season.

 

[john Mathison]

If Wilder goes, who next????? Next season we will have very little to spend in transfer window's, who is going to come here????