If Wilder is sacked….

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

No, but he has that squad exactly where he would want it to build from and has already done most of the hard work. It would be like someone approaching Wilder in the summer after we won League One and offering him a job at West Brom or Coventry or some other middling Championship side he had no particular affinity with

You’re also forgetting we can more than double his wages. People don’t like to talk about this but to the manager himself, it’s obviously really important

 

[Snowflake]

The choice for Steve and Helmy is to stick with the plan following the playoff debacle and give Chris what he needs to put a squad together in the summer that will allow us to challenge or bring a new man (or woman) in and ditch Chris promptly to allow the new man (or woman) all summer to put a squad together etc.

Personally, I'm on Team Chris - but if they're giving him the bullet then for Foulkes sake do it quickly to allow the new man (or woman) time.

Our current team are already on the beach and even I, as a home and away supporter, am too and ready for the summer break!

Do it quickly but please with full d.d. this time. If not already underway then wait for another year.

 

[Tom Bott]

Promote from within to ensure some degree of continuity and appoint a DOF would be my preferred route.
It'll not happen

Leicester City have a DOF and had 3/4 managers this season, they can't even beat Sheffield Wednesday.
That with a team full of ex PL players.

Why people think appointing new managers/DOF's will transform us I have no idea.

We should also remember the summer before last, when Wilder had to rebuild the squad but the Prince was busy trying to sell the club and had little in the way of funding available.
Remember what the points deduction was for.

 

[RAP51]

Yeh yeh, another Wilder sacking thread

However, not seen one with potential solutions, so this is my opinion for what it’s worth.

I am of the growing opinion that Wilder should be sacked imminently, or, we should be actively talking to managerial candidates now with the view to bringing them in as soon as the season finishes.

This begs the question…who?

I’m of the opinion we should aim high but aim European. This smacks of Jokanovic thinking but I want a Northern European manager - because I think - and it might be a stereotype - they are less emotional than their southern European counterparts and offer something more structured and strategic. That’s just my take.

I’d like to put forward:

KJETIL KNUTSEN (Norwegian)

He’s manager of Norwegian side Bodo Glimt - I know, that’s probably a major step higher than Champ football as they’re in the champs league and for their size, do pretty well in it. But that is all down to him.

He’s never managed outside of Norway so I think this restricts any of the so called top 6 clubs in the major leagues tapping him up so I’d definitely say he’s a mid-lower Prem / top-end Champ manager.

However, why would he come here? Fuck knows. He’s doing fine where he is and he’s in the champs league. But, if I were our owners I’d be preparing a major offer, more than we’ve ever done on a manager before and breaking our ceiling to get him in. Sell him a project with the aim of being an established mid table premier league club in 5years (where’ve we heard that before?). He could see us as a stepping stone - if successful - to a much bigger club.

I’m writing this and thinking I sound a little bit delusional so no doubt you are too as the reader. It’s only one example of the type of manager I think we need, I’m sure there are others, but I really like the guy and his style of play and would deffo suit us as a club and fan base but with the added bonus of him actually knowing about how football tactics work.

Shoot me down.

If we look for a manager from abroad here are a few suggestions with managerial/ coaching experience; Axel Smeets,
Laurens Ten Heuvel, Roger Nilsen, Jonas Wirmola and Carl Veart. Hans Segers could be our goalkeeping coach and Georges Santos head scout. All these not only should please those in favour of looking abroad but keep our Bladey Blades onside as well as they will get the club.

 

[calcalcal]

The choice for Steve and Helmy is to stick with the plan following the playoff debacle and give Chris what he needs to put a squad together in the summer that will allow us to challenge or bring a new man (or woman) in and ditch Chris promptly to allow the new man (or woman) all summer to put a squad together etc.

Personally, I'm on Team Chris - but if they're giving him the bullet then for Foulkes sake do it quickly to allow the new man (or woman) time.

Our current team are already on the beach and even I, as a home and away supporter, am too and ready for the summer break!

Loretta incoming as new manager

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Loretta incoming as new manager

Loretta wouldn't stand for any oppression from owners/players/fans.

 

[calcalcal]

But can Loretta have babies (sign promising young players and not crocks)

 

[Sportbilly /Detroit Blade]

PorkTalk-levels of delusional, this. If that's the kind of thread we're having, I'm saying Klopp.

We couldn't afford his teeth, never mind about the rest of him!

 

[The Fox]

Leicester City have a DOF and had 3/4 managers this season, they can't even beat Sheffield Wednesday.
That with a team full of ex PL players.

Why people think appointing new managers/DOF's will transform us I have no idea.

We should also remember the summer before last, when Wilder had to rebuild the squad but the Prince was busy trying to sell the club and had little in the way of funding available.
Remember what the points deduction was for.

As its said its not a panacea but I dont think Liecester City's plight is due to them having a DOF either.

It pretty much comes down to defining and dividing responsibility and authority from a single individual. If you have a manager who can manage the whole football side of the club and the 1st team and the recruitment then thats fine.
If you've a good coach who's great at his job but not so great at the other stuff you need others to pick up those responsibilities.

 

[reedy63]

Kenworthys Tash.
The American Owners/Directors have never backed him with a significant budget. For a start. Your answer is wrong,
It's a bit disrespectful to say Wilder is past his sell-by date.
Chris Wilder deserves the chance to see what he can do with the transfer window at the end of this season.
If we have a bad stat next season after 15 games, we are in the bottom six of the championship. The American owners/directors.
will have to find a new Manager. I am hoping He does well from the start of next season.

 

[Gin&Juice]

weeeeerz ambition

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Leicester City have a DOF and had 3/4 managers this season, they can't even beat Sheffield Wednesday.
That with a team full of ex PL players.

Why people think appointing new managers/DOF's will transform us I have no idea.

We should also remember the summer before last, when Wilder had to rebuild the squad but the Prince was busy trying to sell the club and had little in the way of funding available.
Remember what the points deduction was for.

I think most people would like to see a DOF appointed as it would give some comfort that there'd be a 'football person' helping to make football decisions.

That'd be my motives any way. I don't think the current regime and structure dare make the decision to sack CW again, never mind pick a replacement.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Look

Yeh yeh, another Wilder sacking thread

However, not seen one with potential solutions, so this is my opinion for what it’s worth.

I am of the growing opinion that Wilder should be sacked imminently, or, we should be actively talking to managerial candidates now with the view to bringing them in as soon as the season finishes.

This begs the question…who?

I’m of the opinion we should aim high but aim European. This smacks of Jokanovic thinking but I want a Northern European manager - because I think - and it might be a stereotype - they are less emotional than their southern European counterparts and offer something more structured and strategic. That’s just my take.

I’d like to put forward:

KJETIL KNUTSEN (Norwegian)

He’s manager of Norwegian side Bodo Glimt - I know, that’s probably a major step higher than Champ football as they’re in the champs league and for their size, do pretty well in it. But that is all down to him.

He’s never managed outside of Norway so I think this restricts any of the so called top 6 clubs in the major leagues tapping him up so I’d definitely say he’s a mid-lower Prem / top-end Champ manager.

However, why would he come here? Fuck knows. He’s doing fine where he is and he’s in the champs league. But, if I were our owners I’d be preparing a major offer, more than we’ve ever done on a manager before and breaking our ceiling to get him in. Sell him a project with the aim of being an established mid table premier league club in 5years (where’ve we heard that before?). He could see us as a stepping stone - if successful - to a much bigger club.

I’m writing this and thinking I sound a little bit delusional so no doubt you are too as the reader. It’s only one example of the type of manager I think we need, I’m sure there are others, but I really like the guy and his style of play and would deffo suit us as a club and fan base but with the added bonus of him actually knowing about how football tactics work.

Shoot me down.

I’m not going to shoot you down for wanting CW gone. But I would say the “growing opinion” amongst BL faithful is…no opinion at all.
Sadly I think fans are becoming rather indifferent to what happens at end of the season.
If CW is still our manager going into next season, I will be 100% behind him. But if he isn’t…We move on.

 

[The Fox]

That'd be my motives any way. I don't think the current regime and structure dare make the decision to sack CW again, never mind pick a replacement.

Because im a sneaky macheavelin type I'd just appoint a DOF and Wilder and Bettis would resign in protest , thus solving the problem and saving money

 

[The Crab]

Yeh yeh, another Wilder sacking thread

However, not seen one with potential solutions, so this is my opinion for what it’s worth.

I am of the growing opinion that Wilder should be sacked imminently, or, we should be actively talking to managerial candidates now with the view to bringing them in as soon as the season finishes.

This begs the question…who?

I’m of the opinion we should aim high but aim European. This smacks of Jokanovic thinking but I want a Northern European manager - because I think - and it might be a stereotype - they are less emotional than their southern European counterparts and offer something more structured and strategic. That’s just my take.

I’d like to put forward:

KJETIL KNUTSEN (Norwegian)

He’s manager of Norwegian side Bodo Glimt - I know, that’s probably a major step higher than Champ football as they’re in the champs league and for their size, do pretty well in it. But that is all down to him.

He’s never managed outside of Norway so I think this restricts any of the so called top 6 clubs in the major leagues tapping him up so I’d definitely say he’s a mid-lower Prem / top-end Champ manager.

However, why would he come here? Fuck knows. He’s doing fine where he is and he’s in the champs league. But, if I were our owners I’d be preparing a major offer, more than we’ve ever done on a manager before and breaking our ceiling to get him in. Sell him a project with the aim of being an established mid table premier league club in 5years (where’ve we heard that before?). He could see us as a stepping stone - if successful - to a much bigger club.

I’m writing this and thinking I sound a little bit delusional so no doubt you are too as the reader. It’s only one example of the type of manager I think we need, I’m sure there are others, but I really like the guy and his style of play and would deffo suit us as a club and fan base but with the added bonus of him actually knowing about how football tactics work.

Shoot me down.

We’ll not get him mate. His next job will be far bigger

 

[luffenhamblade]

As its said its not a panacea but I dont think Liecester City's plight is due to them having a DOF either.

It pretty much comes down to defining and dividing responsibility and authority from a single individual. If you have a manager who can manage the whole football side of the club and the 1st team and the recruitment then thats fine.
If you've a good coach who's great at his job but not so great at the other stuff you need others to pick up those responsibilities.

It's down to a lot more than structure, just look at the commercial sector - there are great companies and c**p companies with the same structure. It's also down to having great people and, most importantly, a great culture. The simplistic argument between the two systems is rather fatuous in my view, but if we could get it right, I could see it as a positive move.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Because im a sneaky macheavelin type I'd just appoint a DOF and Wilder and Bettis would resign in protest , thus solving the problem and saving money

Or they'd be at loggerheads, and we'd be screwed - nice idea though!

 

[Kenilworth]

Everytime we've tried a change in direction, we've given the new manager the bare minimum in order to go in that direction.

Half arsed shite from the owners.

Revisionist claptrap.
Jokanovic was useless. Hecky proved that. Same group but almost got up in the play offs.
You’re just a sucker for rh “exotic” regardless of quality, Tarqs, admit it

 

[Kenilworth]

We do have coaches rather than a managerial replacement which is why they'd need support from a DOF in recruitment etc .

Its not a panacea but its a different way that might be less disruptive , and cheaper.

Cheaper and less disruptive like Watford’s managerial revolving door? That’s the Temu DoF way.

A DoF
It’s different
It might work
It’s on trend
A couple of quick changes and everything is rosy

Yeah, sure it will be.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Bergen Blade - thoughts on the above and where you think he may end up if/when he leaves Bodo/Glimt?

This was my opinion from a post five years ago:

Kjetil Knutsen has been an absolute sensation managing Bodø/Glimt in Norway. They've finished 2nd, 1st and are looks set to win again this season. They've also done pretty well in Europe, beating Roma 6-1 at home. In the return fixture, Mourinho was determined to get his revenge and played a stronger side, but only just managed a 2-2 draw. Along the way Knutsen has sold a lot of players for big money, but replaced them with cheap, young talents.

He plays 4-3-3 and wants his teams to dominate possession at all times. He's very specific and demanding about what he wants the players to do, and the football Bodø/Glimt have played has baffled me. I didn't think a Norwegian club team could be able to play like that.


The biggest club in Norway Rosenborg want him, and he was apparently a contender for the Norwich job. Lack of experience abroad is obvious, and he would probably want to change a lot of the squad to get in younger, fitter players, able to play high energy, dynamic football.

Since the above he's just continued impressing. By top European standards, Bodø/Glimt have average players, but they play brilliant football.

I'm sure there's been interest, but I doubt he'll move unless it's a very interesting job from an ambitious top flight club, or at least a big club looking to rebuild. Bodø/Glimt are building a new stadium and have earned a lot of money from their success in Europe, so he may feel they can go even further.

Egil Olsen and Ståle Solbakken were very knowledgeable managers, but couldn't make it work in England. There's no guarantee Knutsen would be a success either, but given the right club it would have been interesting to see.

 

[The Crab]

Crazy stat, didn't realise that.

The drop off in standard in Portugal drops off really quickly. Outside the top three nobody else is winning that league. Even Benfica have gone shit

 

[The Crab]

Not a chance. Their resources simply do not match ours.

True but he’s got a free hit there

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

We had the same towards the end of last season. Loads of different threads from the vocal minority who are convinced that change will bring success.

A bit pointless really because Wilder isn't going to be sacked this summer. He is under contract next season. He will be in charge of the team in August and barring a disastrous Autumn he'll be here next year too.

Here's a thought. Instead of insisting we should sack our manager every season, how about backing him and the team, singing loud and giving the Blades your full support. Regardless of who the coaching staff are, who's on the bench, who is in the net or playing in midfield. That's called being a 'supporter'.

The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Kenilworth]

As its said its not a panacea but I dont think Liecester City's plight is due to them having a DOF either.

It pretty much comes down to defining and dividing responsibility and authority from a single individual. If you have a manager who can manage the whole football side of the club and the 1st team and the recruitment then thats fine.
If you've a good coach who's great at his job but not so great at the other stuff you need others to pick up those responsibilities.

So, collectively, you’re telling us that the Leicester DoF, the whole crew, is responsible for a major clusterfuck?
Not just the one man?
Good to know.

 

[The Fox]

Cheaper and less disruptive like Watford’s managerial revolving door? That’s the Temu DoF way.

A DoF
It’s different
It might work
It’s on trend
A couple of quick changes and everything is rosy

Yeah, sure it will be.

I think using the basket case of Watford as evidence against is about as useful as me saying Real Madrid do have one and they do ok

 

[The Crab]

Cheaper and less disruptive like Watford’s managerial revolving door? That’s the Temu DoF way.

A DoF
It’s different
It might work
It’s on trend
A couple of quick changes and everything is rosy

Yeah, sure it will be.

Keeping things as they are isn’t going to work either Ken.

For a change (I know I know) my point isn’t specifically Wilder going, it’s how things are run at the club that isn’t working.

Even CW’s true believers must see that we have major issues with fitness and recruitment. That’s just off the top of my head

 

[Kenilworth]

I think most people would like to see a DOF appointed as it would give some comfort that there'd be a 'football person' helping to make football decisions.

That'd be my motives any way. I don't think the current regime and structure dare make the decision to sack CW again, never mind pick a replacement.

Makes me chuckle.
Mythical DoF’s are ten a penny, of course.

This unidentified “football man” must be the messiah. Where do we find such an oracle? What’s his credentials and what is his success based on? If he fails, who gets rid of him?

So, you’re advocating we switch the mantle from the responsibility, and single point of failure, of one man to ……. The responsibility, and single point of failure, of another man. A man who, as DoF, points the fickle finger of fate at any coach that fails and remains in post, regardless, despite any outcome on the field of play.

Genius

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Makes me chuckle.
Mythical DoF’s are ten a penny, of course.

This unidentified “football man” must be the messiah. Where do we find such an oracle? What’s his credentials and what is his success based on? If he fails, who gets rid of him?

So, you’re advocating we switch the mantle from the responsibility, and single point of failure, of one man to ……. The responsibility, and single point of failure, of another man. A man who, as DoF, points the fickle finger of fate at any coach that fails and remains in post, regardless, despite any outcome on the field of play.

Genius

What are you on about?

You've presumed a hell of a lot from my post.

 

[Kenilworth]

Keeping things as they are isn’t going to work either Ken.

For a change (I know I know) my point isn’t specifically Wilder going, it’s how things are run at the club that isn’t working.

Even CW’s true believers must see that we have major issues with fitness and recruitment. That’s just off the top of my head

Yep.
Do those elements go away by the change of manager?
The new boss would still have to address them.
It’ll still be a huge rebuild.

The recruitment wasn’t Wilder’s fault in the closed season. Bord wasn’t a Wilder fan boy, he just wanted to fleece the club to prove his new toy. COH showed they are clueless about football but had the balls to recognise the bollock they had dropped.

Agreed, change is needed. However, that change needs to take place in the background, whilst a rebuild is taking place.

You may wish to allow someone else to manage that rebuild but my contention is that Wilder is probably the best person to sort it this time around and if it’s shite by 15-20 games in then make a change then.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

It’s not going to happen as Wilder will still be here next season. I will chuck Tom Cleverlys name in. Basket case of a club at Watford who don’t have patience,same as us really. Doing a fantastic job and on the verge of the playoffs from being relegation certs. Plays good football as he was decent himself.