If we lose at Cardiff............

[Torrix1889]

So you're saying, last seasons total for the play offs will stand, but the relegation total won't? Logical

I think you will see a lower total for the play offs, around 69 points.

And a higher total for relegation, approx 52 points.

Considering the current occupants of the play-off positions are on the following points;

Forest - 67 with 8 games left
Leicester - 61 with 9 games left
Swansea - 61 with 8 games left
Cardiff - 58 with 9 games left

By your "logic" Cardiff will only pick up 11 points from a possible 27, Swansea 8 points from a possible 24, Leicester 8 points from a possible 27 and Forest 2 points from a possible 24!

That means for the final play-off place to be 69 points then one of those 4 sides would have to display RELEGATION form from here on in.

And we would have to pick up 16 from a possible 24 into the bargain!

Dream on Robbie!

 

[TonyAgana]

Because I don't don velcro footwear on a Saturday afternoon, I'm going to assume I fit into the camp you're talking about, Lou.

However, I'm happy-clapping my way through this season because I think that with the shit that the playing and managing staff has had to put up with, we could very easily be languishing in the bottom half / battling against relegation. My optimism comes from that. I think we're over-achieving.

 

[LouTheBlade]

Considering the current occupants of the play-off positions are on the following points;

Forest - 67 with 8 games left
Leicester - 61 with 9 games left
Swansea - 61 with 8 games left
Cardiff - 58 with 9 games left

By your "logic" Cardiff will only pick up 11 points from a possible 27, Swansea 8 points from a possible 24, Leicester 8 points from a possible 27 and Forest 2 points from a possible 24!

That means for the final play-off place to be 69 points then one of those 4 sides would have to display RELEGATION form from here on in.

Dream on Robbie!

This is what my original point was all about. As Torrix says at least one of the current occupants would have to do more than collapse! They would have to completely throw in the towel and lose more than half of their remaining games.

It must be wonderful living in magical pixy fairy land!!!

 

[Wards]

I'm not an eternal optimist but I like watching the Blades. I went on my own to Donny, got piss wet through, burnt my mouth on a nuclear hot pie and by 3-15pm when everyone was singing Blackwell sort it maybe I'd made the wrong decision. After all I could have been 'enjoying myself' in front of the telly.

Was it the rendering of 'Were you there when Monty scored?' or We've got Jordan Jordan Stewart (pause quizzically) at left back at left back. Or was it 'They try to get the ball past Nyron.........and he say no no no or was it someone singing Crocodile Shoes when Glenn Little came on that improved my mood. The crowd went beserk forever when we scored and the Donny fans sat there miserable and left early. It might have been different; like 3-0 to them at half time or we might have snatched a win at the end. That is what watching football and supporting a team is all about, highs and lows.
No we are not going up, Blackwell will not be manager of the year, we've got no money, we've sold the kids, we've wasted opportunities and been shafted in the process and don't get me started on Robson. But there is always tomorrow and the day after .......and we might just beat Cardiff.

I'll take that image down as it's turning my internet mental!

But well said :thumbup:

 

[TonyAgana]

The best music comes out of suffering, Wards.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Donny was a much better place to visit than say Barnsley.

Near enough to get 10 hours in the pubs drinking both before and after. There was no hassle and no pubs that wouldn't let you in. Nice to be treated as a human being.

Shame about that 90 min spell in the centre.

 

[Wards]

Donny was a much better place to visit than say Barnsley.

Near enough to get 10 hours in the pubs drinking both before and after. There was no hassle and no pubs that wouldn't let you in. Nice to be treated as a human being.

Shame about that 90 min spell in the centre.

Also a shame that some twat decided to throw themselves in front of a train and rendering my train back to Meadowhall completely useless. Very selfish

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Early trains were fine as well as later ones.

You don't drink enough!!

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

We won't win at Cardiff because we ain't good enough.
As has been pointed out on this forum before, Cardiff have held onto their best players instead of selling up and paying their taxes, so good luck to 'em.

 

[Sensiblade]

If we don't win then we probably won't make the playoffs, roll on next season

 

[oldblade]

Agree totally with Torrix on the first point. We just have way too much ground to make up and even a Cardiff administration would probablly see us blow it to one of the other chasing teams.

Regarding the latter point about relegation I was looking at the table saturday night and thinking the same thing. Although I think this has happened before. For some reason I seem to remember Gillingham (under Stan Ternant) going down with over 50 points???

Can any of our resident stattos confirm that???

In 1995-6 season, Millwall were relegated on 52 points.

In 2007-8, Leicester went down on 52 points.

In 2003-4 Walsall went down on 51 points.

In 2004-5 Gillingham went down on 50 points.

 

[DuncDisorderly]

We won't win at Cardiff because we ain't good enough.
As has been pointed out on this forum before, Cardiff have held onto their best players instead of selling up and paying their taxes, so good luck to 'em.

Lets hope the HMRC appreciate their 'ambition'...

 

[Bramley]

Another pointless post :thumbdown:

When in Rome...

Can you post the obligatory "I told you so" message on here rather than starting another thread? Unless you want to combine it with a poll that is?

Maybe I'm being cantankerous but isn't there something completely fucking absurd about a thread which is complaining about people who still hold some hope and optimism that the season might turn out ok, there might be something to look forward too.

Since when is having a grain of optimism a negative trait? Am I just being retarded?

No wonder the "yoofs" are trying to start a singing section, the fatalism on here is ridiculous.

 

[Robbie]

By your "logic" Cardiff will only pick up 11 points from a possible 27, Swansea 8 points from a possible 24, Leicester 8 points from a possible 27 and Forest 2 points from a possible 24!

When did I state that all these teams would end up on 69 points?

 

[Micalijo]

So you're saying, last seasons total for the play offs will stand, but the relegation total won't? Logical

I think you will see a lower total for the play offs, around 69 points.

And a higher total for relegation, approx 52 points.

What did you mean by this then?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

6th place last year, (Preston) finished on 74 points. We would have to win 7 of the last 8 to equal that. We all know that aint gonna happen so as far as I am concerned it doesn't matter if we win lose or draw at Cardiff we aren't going to be involved in the play-offs this season.

Interestingly third-bottom last year, (Norwich) went down with 46 points. The Pigs are already on 40 and Palace are on 39 so presuming Plymouth and Posh have too much to make up the third bottom club could well be relegated with over 50 points this season!

Therefore proving last years point tallys means just about fuck all.

 

[Robbie]

What did you mean by this then?

I believe the points total to enter the play offs will be 69 points..... not that all teams would finish on 69 points.

 

[Micalijo]

I'm well aware you didn't say all teams would finish on 69 points, but I believe you weer trying to say that if we finish on 69 points we will get in the play-offs. Is that correct?

As Torrix has pointed out, it's fair to assume that the teams currently in the top 6 are in pole position and for any of those to end up with 68 points would be a surprise given their current totals.

 

[Robbie]

I'm well aware you didn't say all teams would finish on 69 points, but I believe you weer trying to say that if we finish on 69 points we will get in the play-offs. Is that correct?

As Torrix has pointed out, it's fair to assume that the teams currently in the top 6 are in pole position and for any of those to end up with 68 points would be a surprise given their current totals.

From Torrix's post, it is making out that all teams would finish on 69......
Moving on though....

Cardiff have averaged 1.56 pts per game in games so far this season, with 9 games remaining that would give them another 14 points, taking them to 72 points.

However, if you take into account their recent form of 1.25 pts per per game in the last 8 games, that would total 11 points (mid table form currently), taking them to 69 points.

Of course, none of the above will give a true reflection of what will and won't happen, it is just my opinion of course that we will see a drop in points total to get to the play offs, my opinion is it will be approx 69 points.

 

[LouTheBlade]

When in Rome...

Can you post the obligatory "I told you so" message on here rather than starting another thread? Unless you want to combine it with a poll that is?

Maybe I'm being cantankerous but isn't there something completely fucking absurd about a thread which is complaining about people who still hold some hope and optimism that the season might turn out ok, there might be something to look forward too.

Since when is having a grain of optimism a negative trait? Am I just being retarded?

No wonder the "yoofs" are trying to start a singing section, the fatalism on here is ridiculous.

I take what you're saying Bramley and I am not completely against optimism. For instance, I am optimistic that with a little hard work and a few changes here and there we can do well next season. I am not by any means trying to dampen spirit or complain about the fact that some people choose to have this perspective.

It's not a negative trait, I am not saying it is and perhaps my lack of optimism and hope motivates me to ask such a question because I am sub-conciously looking for someone to lift my spirits.

My original post was simply to gain an understanding of why some supporters are so optimistic about this season. It's just difficult to understand what gives them this false hope because we literally have barely anything to shout about!

It's not 'absurd' at all. It's what a forum is all about, which is the right to free speech and discussion. I think I formed a perfectly valid question when asking how can anyone be optimistic at the moment. There is always the option of not replying to the post if you don't like the statement or inclination.........

 

[LouTheBlade]

In 1995-6 season, Millwall were relegated on 52 points.

In 2007-8, Leicester went down on 52 points.

In 2003-4 Walsall went down on 51 points.

In 2004-5 Gillingham went down on 50 points.

As I remember, that season Millwall were top at christmas as well. Mental!

 

[Torrix1889]

From Torrix's post, it is making out that all teams would finish on 69......
Moving on though....

Cardiff have averaged 1.56 pts per game in games so far this season, with 9 games remaining that would give them another 14 points, taking them to 72 points.

However, if you take into account their recent form of 1.25 pts per per game in the last 8 games, that would total 11 points (mid table form currently), taking them to 69 points.

Of course, none of the above will give a true reflection of what will and won't happen, it is just my opinion of course that we will see a drop in points total to get to the play offs, my opinion is it will be approx 69 points.

Don't be a plank Robbie, of course I wasn't saying they would ALL finish on 69 points. I was pointing out the points required by each of the sides currently in the play-offs to attain 69.

I will happily have a tenner with you (for charity) that the sixth place side achieves in excess of 69 points.

 

[Robbie]

I will happily have a tenner with you (for charity) that the sixth place side achieves in excess of 69 points.

I'm not stating they won't.
I said in my opinion they won't.

As for the bet, I give enough money to charity as it is, without giving more.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Didn't you read the forum last week Lou? The Cardiff City Supporters Club believe they will be in administration by the end of March. By your own predictions (below) that gives us a play-off place. While that's a possibility do you really think Blackwell should "play the kids", players should throw in the towel and fans should stop deluding themselves?

 

[LouTheBlade]

Don't be a plank Robbie, of course I wasn't saying they would ALL finish on 69 points. I was pointing out the points required by each of the sides currently in the play-offs to attain 69.

I will happily have a tenner with you (for charity) that the sixth place side achieves in excess of 69 points.

Had a go at the BBC Championship Predictor everyone bangs on about. Tried to be as optimistic but honest as I can (striking the balance) and this is what I had;

(As Torrix predicts, I also had the playoff sides coming out with more than 69 pts)

1) Newcastle - 94pts
2) West Brom - 86pts
3) Forest - 82pts
4) Swansea - 73pts
5) Leicester - 71pts
6) Cardiff - 70pts
7) Sheff Utd - 67pts
8) Reading - 65pts

20) Scunthorpe - 51pts
21) Sheff Wed - 50pts
22) Crystal Palace - 49pts
23) Peterborough - 42pts
24) Plymouth - 38pts

I have taken into account current form as well as positioning at the time of particular fixtures, plus previous results. You can tell its a slow work day United went into the last game 2 points behind Leicester in 6th but only managing a point at Ipswich. Pigs managed a draw on the last day at home to Palace to survive.

I would also add that on our run until the end of the season I had the Blades losing only 2 more games.

 

[Torrix1889]

I'm not stating they won't.
I said in my opinion they won't.

As for the bet, I give enough money to charity as it is, without giving more.

Tight arse

 

[Robbie]

Tight arse

Haha, you won't get me that way

 

[shorehamview]

Haha, you won't get me that way

You'll need to join a really long queue first. And bring plenty of lube.

 

[Bramley]

I take what you're saying Bramley and I am not completely against optimism. For instance, I am optimistic that with a little hard work and a few changes here and there we can do well next season. I am not by any means trying to dampen spirit or complain about the fact that some people choose to have this perspective.

It's not a negative trait, I am not saying it is and perhaps my lack of optimism and hope motivates me to ask such a question because I am sub-conciously looking for someone to lift my spirits.

My original post was simply to gain an understanding of why some supporters are so optimistic about this season. It's just difficult to understand what gives them this false hope because we literally have barely anything to shout about!

It's not 'absurd' at all. It's what a forum is all about, which is the right to free speech and discussion. I think I formed a perfectly valid question when asking how can anyone be optimistic at the moment. There is always the option of not replying to the post if you don't like the statement or inclination.........

To be honest, all the constant complaints and labels of "clappers" though (even though people then take umbrage at being called "morons" on Radio Sheffield ) just serves to harden the stance of moderate supporters. The likes of Len et all are their own worst enemies and only serve to further fragment the support rather than catalyse any sort of revolution (ha).