Ian Porterfield

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Always thought Porterfield was good at getting in the right player with his bigger signings - Edwards, Waugh, Morris, Stancliffe and Cockerill, the only one he got badly wrong was Alan Young (King Pig Curran was another poor signing but that transfer was more down to Brealey). Once Brealey pulled the plug with the money (and I'd say that was after the pig's on the Council back heeled his plans for a mega a stadium at the Lane) that's when Porterfield started to struggle.
 



United managers of my era who are, or will be, better thought of than they were at the time they had the job:

Porterfield
Bruce
Blackwell
Clough

Bruce because he was royally screwed over by the board: the other 3 because their records will look good on paper in the future when the actual games are forgotten.
 
Porterfield was the first ever premier league manager to win the sack race, when Chelsea sacked him in February 1993. Can you imagine February being the first month a manager got sacked these days?
 
I thought the sacking of Porterfield was very harsh at the time. Ok, the team played poorly occasionally and we didn't have any fight or aggression that we later had under Bassett, but he did get us promoted twice and into the top half of the old second division (championship). He was sacked after losing 5-2 at home to Norwich who pissed the league that year and this only a few months after we'd been on a great run, memorably beating Oldham away 5-1, Bradford 4-1 and Portsmouth 3-0.

He made some good signings including Glenn Cockerill who hasn't been mentioned and he'd wanted to sign Ray Houghton (who I think was at Fulham at the time) and Peter Nicholas from Palace (who I think ended up at Arsenal) - so not a bad judge of a player. I seem to recall Brealey wouldn't allow us to spend £200k on Houghton!!! I think after that he basically went F*** you and ended up signing the likes of Thompson, Withe, McNaught and Mortimer. Mortimer was good and McNaught was ok too. I didn't like Withe but he did score a few. Thompson was useless (but then I thought he was at Liverpool too). Cockerill, as usual was sold as soon as someone came in with a few quid.

We ended up with Billy McEwan who promptly fell out with and sold Edwards and we were basically crap until Bassett came along and changed everything.

I think it shows once again to be careful what you wish for.
 
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I remember when he was sacked. I couldn't believe it. Someone sprayed "re-instate Porterfield" on the wall outside John St.
Even so I'd take Alan Young now in a shot over Sammon.:(
Thought Alan Young was a decent signing at the time
Come with a reputation but didn't quite work out.
Best years were at Leicester
 
I thought the sacking of Porterfield was very harsh at the time. Ok, the team played poorly occasionally and we didn't have any fight or aggression that we later had under Bassett, but he did get us promoted twice and into the top half of the old second division (championship). He was sacked after losing 5-2 at home to Norwich who pissed the league that year and this only a few months after we'd been on a great run, memorably beating Oldham away 5-1, Bradford 4-1 and Portsmouth 3-0.

He made some good signings including Glenn Cockerill who hasn't been mentioned and he'd wanted to sign Ray Houghton (who I think was at Fulham at the time) and Peter Nicholas from Palace (who I think ended up at Arsenal) - so not a bad judge of a player. I seem to recall Brealey wouldn't allow us to spend £200k on Houghton!!! I think after that he basically went F*** you and ended up signing the likes of Thompson, Withe, McNaught and Mortimer. Mortimer was good and McNaught was ok too. I didn't like Withe but he did score a few. Thompson was useless (but then I thought he was at Liverpool too). Cockerill, as usual was sold as soon as someone came in with a few quid.

We ended up with Billy McEwan who promptly fell out with and sold Edwards and we were basically crap until Bassett came along and changed everything.

I think it shows once again to be careful what you wish for.

If we do a post war manager comparism along the lines of where they left us, we get the following result

Column 1 is our league position (out of 92) the season before they became manager (except in Davison's case when I take the last pre war season)
Column 2 is our league position the season they left
column 3 is the increase or decrease in position

It shows Porterfield as easily the manager under whose management we progressed most. The table is slightly unfair as short lived get the managers get the benefit of their better successors. Thus Weir is only -2 as we finished 5thy in D3 in 2012-13 and then 7th the season in which he was manager, though he contributed zero to that.



Porterfield 65 29 + 36
Freeman 33 14 + 19
Harris (2) 31 13 +18
Warnock 28 18 +10
Harris(1) 28 21 +7
Kendall 30 25 +5
Bassett 31 29 +2
Clough 49 49 0
Spackman 25 26 -1
Thompson 25 26 -1
McEwan 40 42 -2
Bruce 26 28 -2
Weir 49 51 -2
Wilson 43 49 -6
Furphy 14 22 -8
Heath 28 36 -8
Davison 24 33 -9
Peters 56 65 -9
Rowley 21 31 -10
Mercer 14 25 -11
Robson 18 29 -11
Speed 28 43 -25
Adams 28 43 -25
Blackwell 18 43 -25
Sirrel 6 34 -28
Haslam 33 65 -32
 
yes strange how we seem to sack managers for the absolute failure of only being in the top 8 in the championship

If someone was to get us promoted out of this league and get us to 7th in the Championship now, he'd be like the next messiah!

If I remember rightly the fans' problem with Porterfield is that sometimes the team lacked passion, hunger and desire. He admitted this after a cup defeat against Derby and that virtually sealed his fate. We Blades fans apparently can tolerate anything apart from not getting stuck in and giving 100%. Similarities with the current squad? Well at least Porterfield's team did have some talent in Morris, Edwards, Arnott to name three and big Stan of course! How we could do with him now!
 
United managers of my era who are, or will be, better thought of than they were at the time they had the job:

Porterfield
Bruce
Blackwell
Clough

Bruce because he was royally screwed over by the board: the other 3 because their records will look good on paper in the future when the actual games are forgotten.

K'off. You'll be starting a Bobby Ford appreciation thread next.
 
If someone was to get us promoted out of this league and get us to 7th in the Championship now, he'd be like the next messiah!

If I remember rightly the fans' problem with Porterfield is that sometimes the team lacked passion, hunger and desire.

I think his downfall was trying to replace Edwards with Withe and the sheer stubbornness of continuing with it when it wasn't working. Pissed quite a few off, including me!
 
I think his downfall was trying to replace Edwards with Withe and the sheer stubbornness of continuing with it when it wasn't working. Pissed quite a few off, including me!

That only lasted the first two months of the 85-6 season, they he played them both together up front.
 



If we do a post war manager comparism along the lines of where they left us, we get the following result

Column 1 is our league position (out of 92) the season before they became manager (except in Davison's case when I take the last pre war season)
Column 2 is our league position the season they left
column 3 is the increase or decrease in position

It shows Porterfield as easily the manager under whose management we progressed most. The table is slightly unfair as short lived get the managers get the benefit of their better successors. Thus Weir is only -2 as we finished 5thy in D3 in 2012-13 and then 7th the season in which he was manager, though he contributed zero to that.



Porterfield 65 29 + 36
Freeman 33 14 + 19
Harris (2) 31 13 +18
Warnock 28 18 +10
Harris(1) 28 21 +7
Kendall 30 25 +5
Bassett 31 29 +2
Clough 49 49 0
Spackman 25 26 -1
Thompson 25 26 -1
McEwan 40 42 -2
Bruce 26 28 -2
Weir 49 51 -2
Wilson 43 49 -6
Furphy 14 22 -8
Heath 28 36 -8
Davison 24 33 -9
Peters 56 65 -9
Rowley 21 31 -10
Mercer 14 25 -11
Robson 18 29 -11
Speed 28 43 -25
Adams 28 43 -25
Blackwell 18 43 -25
Sirrel 6 34 -28
Haslam 33 65 -32

you need to do it from the day of appointment to the day of departure, otherwise it's meaningless as your point re Weir shows.
 
you need to do it from the day of appointment to the day of departure, otherwise it's meaningless as your point re Weir shows.

Yes, but that would be a bit more difficult to get the information for. I think it gives a rough and ready assessment of the managers who hung around more than a couple of months
 
Yes, but that would be a bit more difficult to get the information for. I think it gives a rough and ready assessment of the managers who hung around more than a couple of months

No it wouldn't: that information is readily available on the net. And it paints a false picture re Clough, Bassett, Warnock and Blackwell amongst others.
 
Did Alan Young once score for us then had to go in goal? Maybe even saved a penalty?
 
Did Alan Young once score for us then had to go in goal? Maybe even saved a penalty?

He went in goal at Millwall in our 2-1 win there in 1982-3 for the last 10 mins. He did not save s penalty or score.
 
No it wouldn't: that information is readily available on the net. And it paints a false picture re Clough, Bassett, Warnock and Blackwell amongst others.


Go on then - back to Rowley

Porterfield + 36
Warnock +25
Kendall + 18
Clough + 17
Harris 2 +17
Speed +1
Spackman 0
Thompson -1
Bruce -2
Adams -3
Bassett -4
Blackwell -5
Wilson -6
Furphy -8
Peters -9
Rowley -10
McEwan -10
Heath -15
Weir -17
Robson -18
Sirrel -21
Haslam - 23
 
Go on then - back to Rowley

Porterfield + 36
Warnock +25
Kendall + 18
Clough + 17
Harris 2 +17
Speed +1
Spackman 0
Thompson -1
Bruce -2
Adams -3
Bassett -4
Blackwell -5
Wilson -6
Furphy -8
Peters -9
Rowley -10
McEwan -10
Heath -15
Weir -17
Robson -18
Sirrel -21
Haslam - 23

More revealing in many cases.
 
More revealing in many cases.

No wonder Porterfield was pissed off at being sacked. He is far and away the most successful United manager in terms of progression under his tenure. It's only interesting that 3 of the most successful managers in terms of progression were sacked rather than leaving voluntarily.
 
Yes, but that would be a bit more difficult to get the information for. I think it gives a rough and ready assessment of the managers who hung around more than a couple of months


I thought you had all this shit in your head?
 
No wonder Porterfield was pissed off at being sacked. He is far and away the most successful United manager in terms of progression under his tenure. It's only interesting that 3 of the most successful managers in terms of progression were sacked rather than leaving voluntarily.

Like I said - 30 years on, it looks a crazy decision to fire him.

But if you saw, say, the wretched home defeats against Norwich, Millwall and Derby that year, and remember the poisonous atmosphere at games we actually won (eg Fulham and Carlisle), it was understandable.
 



Like I said - 30 years on, it looks a crazy decision to fire him.

But if you saw, say, the wretched home defeats against Norwich, Millwall and Derby that year, and remember the poisonous atmosphere at games we actually won (eg Fulham and Carlisle), it was understandable.

I was a season ticket holder then and remember it well. The fans drove it out, which shows how much fans know.
 

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