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Was the penalty itself legal with that little jump before kicking the ball? The laws say you can feint in the run up but surely the jump is the end of the run up as the player lands and rolls it into the net.
 



Weasel said:
Of course there is contact. No one can dispute that. What people can debate is who is instigating the contact is it Forward running into Keeper, or is it Keeper running into forward, and is there a clear foul either way. You could argue that it a foil on Ramsdale as their ayer just takes him out. It goes both ways. There is no clear foul instigated by Ramsdale therefore there should have been no penalty given.

We might have lost anyway as I thought we were really off the pace tonight but that's a different story. No one can tell me there is a clear foul committed by Ramsdale in that challenge. He does not purposely bring the forward down.
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Nice to see others with some resemblance of sense
 
robbiez666 said:
Werner tried to run round Ramsdale but Ramsdale's momentum took him out (head to kneee, maybe, but that doesn't matter, he clearly fouled him). Clear pen. Werner wasn't getting the ball but that doesn't really matter.
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No he didn't at all. He made no attempt to run around Ramsdale and cos if he had done Ramsdales arms or legs would have had to be moved towards him to bring him down. As it was Ramsdale didn't move either of these towards the forward. Why...? Because the forward ran straight into him and fell over like a sack of shit. He bought it cos he didn't back himself to go around the keeper and score it himself.

Remember the ref saw it in real time and didn't award it either. Good old VAR.
 
1. Ramsdale slides out (probably rightly) and loses control (i.e. commits to a slide).
2. Werner sees this, and makes sure that he gets clattered.
3. Because Ramsdale doesn’t get the ball and is out of control, it is a foul - no question. Doesn’t matter if Werner ‘lets’ it happen.
4. It’s not a red because Ramsdale was attempting to play the ball (double jeopardy).
5. It’s not a yellow because the ref didn’t give it originally, and VAR isn’t allowed to give yellows.
6. It could all have been avoided if Bryan hadn’t played a blind backpass.
 
Geordie Blade said:
1. Ramsdale slides out (probably rightly) and loses control (i.e. commits to a slide).
2. Werner sees this, and makes sure that he gets clattered.
3. Because Ramsdale doesn’t get the ball and is out of control, it is a foul - no question. Doesn’t matter if Werner ‘lets’ it happen.
4. It’s not a red because Ramsdale was attempting to play the ball (double jeopardy).
5. It’s not a yellow because the red didn’t give it originally, and VAR isn’t allowed to give yellows.
6. It could all have been avoided if Bryan hadn’t played a blind backpass.
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I mean, you've got to say that post is textbook.

Surprised there are calls for a red in this thread.
 
Weasel said:
No he didn't at all. He made no attempt to run around Ramsdale and cos if he had done Ramsdales arms or legs would have had to be moved towards him to bring him down. As it was Ramsdale didn't move either of these towards the forward. Why...? Because the forward ran straight into him and fell over like a sack of shit. He bought it cos he didn't back himself to go around the keeper and score it himself.

Remember the ref saw it in real time and didn't award it either. Good old VAR.
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The camera angle they were showing it from didn't help, but Werner clearly knocks the ball one way and goes the other but Ramsdale's momentum takes him into him, head first. It's a pen all day long.
 
Geordie Blade said:
1. Ramsdale slides out (probably rightly) and loses control (i.e. commits to a slide).
2. Werner sees this, and makes sure that he gets clattered.
3. Because Ramsdale doesn’t get the ball and is out of control, it is a foul - no question. Doesn’t matter if Werner ‘lets’ it happen.
4. It’s not a red because Ramsdale was attempting to play the ball (double jeopardy).
5. It’s not a yellow because the red didn’t give it originally, and VAR isn’t allowed to give yellows.
6. It could all have been avoided if Bryan hadn’t played a blind backpass.
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Or alternatively 7. The forward runs straight into our keeper and clatters our keeper.
 
Geordie Blade said:
1. Ramsdale slides out (probably rightly) and loses control (i.e. commits to a slide).
2. Werner sees this, and makes sure that he gets clattered.
3. Because Ramsdale doesn’t get the ball and is out of control, it is a foul - no question. Doesn’t matter if Werner ‘lets’ it happen.
4. It’s not a red because Ramsdale was attempting to play the ball (double jeopardy).
5. It’s not a yellow because the red didn’t give it originally, and VAR isn’t allowed to give yellows.
6. It could all have been avoided if Bryan hadn’t played a blind backpass.
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Disagree with point 3 mate. Ramsdale wasnt out of controll for me. I maintain Werner purposely ran into him
 
robbiez666 said:
The camera angle they were showing it from didn't help, but Werner clearly knocks the ball one way and goes the other but Ramsdale's momentum takes him into him, head first. It's a pen all day long.
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We will have to agree to disagree on this one. If it had been the other way round I would have shouted for it but not been surprised if it hadn't been given for the reasons I've already stated. No pen for me.
 
Weasel said:
We will have to agree to disagree on this one. If it had been the other way round I would have shouted for it but not been surprised if it hadn't been given for the reasons I've already stated. No pen for me.
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I think we can probably agree that the ref didn't help by ignoring it for ages instead of simply blowing straightaway to check it.
 
Digs blade said:
Disagree with point 3 mate. Ramsdale wasnt out of controll for me. I maintain Werner purposely ran into him
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He played for it and the ref and VAR were weak enough to give it.

Remember this was the same officials who didn't book the Chelsea lad who took out Fleck with a professional late challenge with about 15 to go when Fleck was going round him and was about to cross it. Other way round... United player goes in the book.
 



When Ramsdale dived for the block he ended up on the left side of Verners left leg
But it was verners right knee that crossed over his own left leg to make contact with Ramsdales head
He initiated the contact
Ramsdales hands were on the ground
The contact was by Verner
 
It’s obvious why it was given as a penalty, and according to the rules yeah got no issue with it being a pen. Personally if I was in charge you shouldn’t be able to run into the keeper and kick the ball in the opposite direction to win a penalty. Werner knew he fucked it by kicking it to nowhere, but knew also he could still win a pen. Think it’s a bit shit myself.
 
Yes it was a penalty, but Werner played for it, he touched the ball to the right of ramsdale and then decided to round to the keepers left, seeing there was a defender in the middle, he had absolutely no chance of getting to that ball the way he played it, so he ran into the keeper.he had enough time to jump over rams dale.
As souness said on tv Werner was being cute or as he put it cheating, he also said he could have seriously injured the keeper
 
Geordie Blade said:
1. Ramsdale slides out (probably rightly) and loses control (i.e. commits to a slide).
2. Werner sees this, and makes sure that he gets clattered.
3. Because Ramsdale doesn’t get the ball and is out of control, it is a foul - no question. Doesn’t matter if Werner ‘lets’ it happen.
4. It’s not a red because Ramsdale was attempting to play the ball (double jeopardy).
5. It’s not a yellow because the ref didn’t give it originally, and VAR isn’t allowed to give yellows.
6. It could all have been avoided if Bryan hadn’t played a blind backpass.
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i do like this expaination and it makes sense
would we all not have it the other way though, being in the premier league has genuinely made me hate football slightly. these players are too 'cute' for the rules. technicalities in the ruleset should not make goals, good play should

and for everyone using the argument that we would be shouting for it if boot was on other foot, im sure youre all straight on the phone when HMRC under tax you for the year by mistake. both thoughts are not mutually exclusive
 
metalblade said:
Was the penalty itself legal with that little jump before kicking the ball? The laws say you can feint in the run up but surely the jump is the end of the run up as the player lands and rolls it into the net.
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Can’t remember exactly what he did but the rule I think is ‘one continuous movement’.

So as long as the kicking leg is still moving as he lands on his standing one then he’s probably alright. Interesting that VAR can review the goalkeepers coming off the line but not that the rule about the taker stuttering.
 
BettingBlade said:
Can’t remember exactly what he did but the rule I think is ‘one continuous movement’.

So as long as the kicking leg is still moving as he lands on his standing one then he’s probably alright. Interesting that VAR can review the goalkeepers coming off the line but not that the rule about the taker stuttering.
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As far as I'm concerned once the player jumps the run up has ended so the feint is after the run up not in the run up. Indirect free kick and a yellow card for the taker. It really is cheating and getting away with it.
 
Digs blade said:
Okay we can talk about the poor backpass but how is that a penalty.

Ramsdale made no connection with Werner whatsoever. Werner ran into him and chucked himself over.

Was assured when the ref went over to look at it but what the fuck was he looking at to decide that is a pen. The game is bent
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Werner is clever, he takes a bad touch realises he isn't going to get the ball as there is a covering defender , makes sure he makes contact with ramsdale not the other way around, but it's a penalty because ramsdale makes no contact with the ball and makes contact with the forward who goes down
 
wak1889 said:
Werner is clever, he takes a bad touch realises he isn't going to get the ball as there is a covering defender , makes sure he makes contact with ramsdale not the other way around, but it's a penalty because ramsdale makes no contact with the ball and makes contact with the forward who goes down
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But Werner made contact with Ramsdale, not the other way round !
 
Digs blade said:
Or Werner’s knee smashed him in the face. You decide
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You said that there was no contact made. So I was just wondering how you managed to miss not only Ramsdale go face first into the player but also the part where they checked Ramsdale for concussion because of it.

But if you go sliding at the ball and don't get near it, it's not the player with the ball that's committing the foul.
 



metalblade said:
As far as I'm concerned once the player jumps the run up has ended so the feint is after the run up not in the run up. Indirect free kick and a yellow card for the taker. It really is cheating and getting away with it.
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Yeah they’re definitely making it near on impossible for a goalkeeper to make a penalty save these days. Especially with the tightening up of them coming off the line. It’s just the way it is, unfortunately.
 
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