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[alcoblade]

When you have billions you could train a cat and they have half a chance.

I jest of course, but seriously it cannot be argued that frequent firing of managers, in itself, causes poor performance.

What's more, there's some cause and effect getting mixed up there too. Poor performance obviously leads to shorter tenure, and vice versa.

We can agree that, on the whole, consistency is preferable to the opposite.

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[Grecian2000]

2. His football was not aestheically pleasing

Well done Dazzler, that did make me laugh.

A bit like saying the Elephant Man had a few warts.

 

[Darren]

Well done Dazzler, that did make me laugh.

A bit like saying the Elephant Man had a few warts.

Indeed. I don't get the animus shown to Blackwell which is not shown To Robson, Speed, Weir, Adams and Wilson, who were all worse managers.

 

[Balham]

Indeed. I don't get the animus shown to Blackwell which is not shown To Robson, Speed, Weir, Adams and Wilson, who were all worse managers.

It is shown to Robson, Weir and Adams but there's little to debate on those three - they were poor managers. It's pretty inconceivable that anyone would want to take an alternative viewpoint therefore we don't hear about them very often. Personally, I believe that our downfall began with the appointment of Robson in 2007: if McCabe hadn't made that decision and had instead found a manager with a modicum of talent I very much doubt we'd be in League One now.

Speed is a tragic case and given his short tenure and the circumstances since he left it's not surprising that his reign isn't brought up more often.

It seems to me that most of the opinion I read on Wilson's time in charge was that he was desperately unlucky to not get us promoted in 2011-12 but that the team he had that season was far too expensive to be retained for the following season and so he was forced to change the players and the playing style.

The difference with Blackwell is that he had a decent spell in charge, was allowed to spend a decent amount of money yet never really won over the fans. My personal opinion is that he did a good job up to the 2009 play off final but then something changed. There's also something to be said in the lack of success or longevity that he's had since he left Bramall Lane.

 

[judge]

I didnt get to many games in blackwells first full season but remember getting to one game v palace where i was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the football

Short passing neat tidy attacking play and a confortable win
i was equally surprised that everyone around me seemed possed off about it and that on this forum afterwards people seemed genuinely put out by the win and performance

Reading some of the shit in this thread brings it all back to me

 

[Darren]

It is shown to Robson, Weir and Adams but there's little to debate on those three - they were poor managers. It's pretty inconceivable that anyone would want to take an alternative viewpoint therefore we don't hear about them very often. Personally, I believe that our downfall began with the appointment of Robson in 2007: if McCabe hadn't made that decision and had instead found a manager with a modicum of talent I very much doubt we'd be in League One now.

Speed is a tragic case and given his short tenure and the circumstances since he left it's not surprising that his reign isn't brought up more often.

It seems to me that most of the opinion I read on Wilson's time in charge was that he was desperately unlucky to not get us promoted in 2011-12 but that the team he had that season was far too expensive to be retained for the following season and so he was forced to change the players and the playing style.

The difference with Blackwell is that he had a decent spell in charge, was allowed to spend a decent amount of money yet never really won over the fans. My personal opinion is that he did a good job up to the 2009 play off final but then something changed. There's also something to be said in the lack of success or longevity that he's had since he left Bramall Lane.

I agree with the fact that, on the whole KB, is not a good manager. However, it seems to me that he did a reasonable job at the Lane between 2008 and 2010. Robson got all the dosh and the best players were being sold during KB's tenure and replaced by lesser players. Despite this, in all the seasons he was in charge, we were always challenging for promotion/the play offs.

What would we not give now for the level of "dross" Blackwell served up?

 

[OllyBlade]

This thread makes me think about the 2010-11 season and that makes me think about necking a bottle of rum with a pack of paracetamol so can't we all talk about how much fun it was at Crewe last weekend etc and I can put my head back in the sand?

 

[judge]

This thread makes me think about the 2010-11 season and that makes me think about necking a bottle of rum with a pack of paracetamol so can't we all talk about how much fun it was at Crewe last weekend etc and I can put my head back in the sand?

Erm ....yeah , good win at crewe then ...

 

[OllyBlade]

Erm ....yeah , good win at crewe then ...

Wasn't it?!?!?

 

[blade.i.am]

So, joining a club in February when they're 18th in the Championship and getting them within a gnats of the play offs some 2 months later, followed by a play off final the year after is crap?

 

[alcoblade]

I didnt get to many games in blackwells first full season but remember getting to one game v palace where i was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the football

Short passing neat tidy attacking play and a confortable win
i was equally surprised that everyone around me seemed possed off about it and that on this forum afterwards people seemed genuinely put out by the win and performance

Reading some of the shit in this thread brings it all back to me

There was a big difference between the first half season of Blackwell's tenure, and the second season. When he took over, it was shit or bust and really exciting to watch. There was no surprise he was offered the job and most who question it now speak with hindsight.

The second season was much different, when he had time and resource to make his own stamp on affairs. This was the most drab, defensive football I've witnessed. I was so glad to see the back of it.

Sadly, Wilson's last season mirrored this and once again I was glad to see an end to it, even though the timing probably defied logic.

Football should always be about wanting to win, rather than avoiding defeat. There are times when Clough's teams remind me of those dark days, but thankfully not too often.

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[Bladesway]

I jest of course, but seriously it cannot be argued that frequent firing of managers, in itself, causes poor performance.

What's more, there's some cause and effect getting mixed up there too. Poor performance obviously leads to shorter tenure, and vice versa.

We can agree that, on the whole, consistency is preferable to the opposite.

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Agreed. Rarely does a manager have a Weir type start and stay in the job. Still think clubs and fans are way too reactionary and decisions on managers made far too quickly.

 

[judge]

Thee was a big difference between the first half season of Blackwell's tenure, and the second season. When he took over, it was shit or bust and really exciting to watch. There was no surprise he was offered the job and most who question it now speak with hindsight.

The second season was much different, when he had time and resource to make his own stamp on affairs. This was the most drab, defensive football I've witnessed. I was so glad to see the back of it.

Sadly, Wilson's last season mirrored this and once again I was glad to see an end to it, even though the timing probably defied logic.

Football should always be about wanting to win, rather than avoiding defeat. There are times when Clough's teams remind me of those dark days, but thankfully not too often.

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Im talking about his second season or as I called It his first full season

 

[Bladesway]

Away at Charlton under Blackwell was one if the finest away performances I have witnessed as a blade. Blackwell made that team. I know we became drab and boring but had he not been utterly stripped of quality by McCabe mid season I think we would have got automatic promotion in his first full season.

I don't believe we got worse because of the manager we got worse because of the resources at his disposal. Exactly what happened to Wilson oddly enough.

 

[alcoblade]

Agreed. Rarely does a manager have a Weir type start and stay in the job. Still think clubs and fans are way too reactionary and decisions on managers made far too quickly.

A few years ago you had to write a letter to the green'un to express your anger. By the time you'd bought a stamp you couldn't be arsed to post it.

These days you can witness grown men being reduced to a quivering wreck and the first hint of an opposition break, in the shout box.

The best lesson you could give the average fan would be to make them study a hard copy of 5minutes in the shoutbox on match day.

Speaking of hard men being reduced to pussycats, where's pommpey at the minute?

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[JohnDenver]

when he had time and resource to make his own stamp on affairs.

That's the key to it. I was willing to forgive his methods if it was proven to be the best way to get us promoted given the squad he had. Turns out it wasn't, so all that drivel I sat through was in vain.

Thanks Kev.

 

[Bladesway]

A few years ago you had to write a letter to the green'un to express your anger. By the time you'd bought a stamp you couldn't be arsed to post it.

These days you can witness grown men being reduced to a quivering wreck and the first hint of an opposition break, in the shout box.

The best lesson you could give the average fan would be to make them study a hard copy of 5minutes in the shoutbox on match day.

Speaking of hard men being reduced to pussycats, where's pommpey at the minute?

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Either that or tie their bollocks to their forehead and tell them not to look up at the screen.

 

[alcoblade]

Im talking about his second season or as I called It his first full season

Ah, ok. I'm sure there were exceptions, but my memory is sound. That was a season that completely tested my assertion that it's all about results. Ditto WiLson's last season.

Bladesway makes a good point though. Both managed in the era of trying to reduce losses. Anything of class was sold, including the final capitulation with the sale of leading scorer, Nick Blackman.

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[judge]

Ah, ok. I'm sure there were exceptions, but my memory is sound. That was a season that completely tested my assertion that it's all about results. Ditto WiLson's last season.

Bladesway makes a good point though. Both managed in the era of trying to reduce losses. Anything of class was sold, including the final capitulation with the sale of leading scorer, Nick Blackman.

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Dont get me wrong im not defending blackwell just think some of the opinions are a bit exaggerated
For me the football under robson is the worst ive ever seen and im surprised he gets such an easy ride

 

[Bladesway]

Dont get me wrong im not defending blackwell just think some of the opinions are a bit exaggerated
For me the football under robson is the worst ive ever seen and im surprised he gets such an easy ride

If ever there was a lesson to be learned about appointing a manager for the wrong reasons this is surely the best example of all time. McCabe appointment of Robson was clearly not for footballing reasons but for business reasons. We are where we are today because of this appointment.

 

[alcoblade]

Dont get me wrong im not defending blackwell just think some of the opinions are a bit exaggerated
For me the football under robson is the worst ive ever seen and im surprised he gets such an easy ride

For me, it goes without saying that the most disastrous spell in our history was down to Brian Robson. It's so obvious that most, I presume, don't feel any need to debate it.

There are several divisions of class of manager. And then on another planet there is Bryan Robson. Cunt.

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